{"id":54930,"date":"2020-01-08T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-01-07T21:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/blog_prohoster\/obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii"},"modified":"2020-02-18T14:02:59","modified_gmt":"2020-02-18T11:02:59","slug":"obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/cs\/blog\/news\/obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii","title":{"rendered":"Diskutujeme o digit\u00e1ln\u00edch dvojn\u00edc\u00edch a simula\u010dn\u00edm modelov\u00e1n\u00ed se zakladatelem konzulta\u010dn\u00ed spole\u010dnosti","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

Zakladatel NFP Sergej Lo\u017ekin mi \u0159ekl, co je to simula\u010dn\u00ed modelov\u00e1n\u00ed, digit\u00e1ln\u00ed dvojn\u00edci, pro\u010d jsou na\u0161i v\u00fdvoj\u00e1\u0159i v Evrop\u011b levn\u00ed a skv\u011bl\u00ed, a pro\u010d m\u00e1 Rusko vysokou \u00farove\u0148 digitalizace.<\/p>\n

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P\u0159ij\u010fte, pokud chcete zjistit, jak to funguje, kdo pot\u0159ebuje v Rusku Digit\u00e1ln\u00ed dvojn\u00edky, kolik stoj\u00ed projekt a jak se to nau\u010dit.<\/p>\n

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Digit\u00e1ln\u00ed dvojn\u00edk je p\u0159esn\u00e1 virtu\u00e1ln\u00ed kopie skute\u010dn\u00e9ho objektu nebo procesu. Ji\u017e dlouho se aktivn\u011b pou\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed po cel\u00e9m sv\u011bt\u011b k \u00faspor\u00e1m pen\u011bz a zvy\u0161ov\u00e1n\u00ed bezpe\u010dnosti. Rusko kone\u010dn\u011b tak\u00e9 za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 v tomto sm\u011bru postupovat a je pot\u011b\u0161uj\u00edc\u00ed, \u017ee m\u00e1me skv\u011bl\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti, kter\u00e9 jsou oce\u0148ov\u00e1ny i na zahrani\u010dn\u00edm trhu.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Celou verzi rozhovoru (hodina s mal\u00fdm p\u0159esn\u011b) najdete na m\u00e9m YouTube kan\u00e1lu, tam je to velmi \u017eiv\u00e9 a zaj\u00edmav\u00e9, a v prvn\u00edm koment\u00e1\u0159i jsou \u010dasov\u00e9 k\u00f3dy.<\/p>\n

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Zde v velmi zhu\u0161t\u011bn\u00e9 podob\u011b uvedu n\u011bkter\u00e9 momenty, kreativn\u011b p\u0159etvo\u0159en\u00e9 pro ti\u0161t\u011bn\u00fd form\u00e1t.<\/p>\n

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F\u00e1rja:
\n\u2014 Jak dlouho existuje ve va\u0161\u00ed spole\u010dnosti sm\u011br \u201eSimula\u010dn\u00ed modelov\u00e1n\u00ed\u201c a pro\u010d jste se rozhodli se t\u00edmto zab\u00fdvat?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Sergej:
\n\u2014 V roce 2016 u n\u00e1s pracoval zam\u011bstnanec, kter\u00fd v\u011bd\u011bl, co je Anylogic. \u0158ekl, \u017ee t\u00e9ma je zaj\u00edmav\u00e9, poj\u010fme do toho. A za\u010dali jsme, v\u016fbec jsme nev\u011bd\u011bli, co to je. Za\u010dali jsme do toho investovat, \u0161kolit lidi, hledat potenci\u00e1ln\u00ed klienty. A pak ten \u010dlov\u011bk ode\u0161el... A proto\u017ee jsme u\u017e n\u011bjakou cestu urazili, rozhodli jsme se pokra\u010dovat.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 No, pod\u00edvej, objevila se n\u011bjak\u00e1 nov\u00e1 v\u011bc, kterou je pot\u0159eba rozv\u00edjet, a vy jste si p\u0159eci dob\u0159e uv\u011bdomovali, \u017ee v\u011bt\u0161ina trhu je \u201est\u00e1tn\u00ed sektor\u201c s odpov\u00eddaj\u00edc\u00ed mentalitou a collapsing tov\u00e1rnami, kter\u00e9 bude pot\u0159eba n\u011bjak modelovat. Opravdu jste uv\u011b\u0159ili v tuto technologii, nebo jste se jen rozhodli zab\u00fdvat n\u011b\u010d\u00edm m\u00f3dn\u00edm?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Ne\u0159ekl bych, \u017ee to tehdy bylo m\u00f3dn\u00ed, ta my\u0161lenka je velmi zaj\u00edmav\u00e1. Podle m\u00e9ho n\u00e1zoru \u010dekaj\u00ed digit\u00e1ln\u00ed experimenty na modelech ve v\u0161ech oblastech, je nutn\u00e9 se tam v ka\u017ed\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b dostat. Nap\u0159\u00edklad Ameri\u010dan\u00e9 modeluj\u00ed cel\u00e9 vojensk\u00e9 bitvy, rozm\u00eds\u0165uj\u00ed tanky, letadla, p\u011bchotu a sleduj\u00ed v\u00fdsledek boje.<\/p>\n

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No, this is in the military sphere. In the civil sector, America and Europe have been modeling for a long time too. China is striving for modeling at a rapid pace. For example, the German company SimPlan modeled the operation of the Airbus airplane on Anylogic; Mercedes is actively using it, as are any major companies playing with models. We have advanced companies that do this. Both commercial and state-owned, for whom, by the way, digital transformation is one of the main topics right now.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Well, we know how it goes\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 We do know\u2026 but they are supposed to deliver some results. It's impossible to keep talking about it constantly; soon they will have to answer. So they need to do something.<\/p>\n

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\"Diskutujeme<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Who are your clients?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 These are mainly large companies. Conditionally, the TOP-1000 are our target clients. Mostly, these are commercial companies and those with state participation. Among our clients are system-forming companies in energy, gas extraction, and air transportation.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 What are they interested in modeling?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 They are interested in modeling processes that are expensive to experiment with. For instance, there is a melting furnace the size of a house, and any mistake in changing the technological process, which was established back in the 60s, can be very costly. Therefore, although the efficiency of the process can be increased, they avoid experiments.
\nIn this case, a \"digital twin\" can be created, which takes into account the processes in the furnace and all the surrounding equipment \u2013 warehouses, cranes, etc., and models all of this. For example, to see what happens if we do not lower the temperature in the furnace.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 So, how does a digital twin differ from simulation modeling?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Simulation modeling is the process of creating and working with a digital twin, i.e., a virtual copy of a physical object or process. This can be a business process, for example, call routing, the movement of rail transport, vehicles, anything related to logistics, etc.<\/p>\n

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In general, a digital twin is a trendy topic, and a lot can be adapted to it. This can be a model of some iron, or you can call the integration of 1C a digital twin of accounting. We narrow this concept down to certain physical processes.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Pro\u010d si mysl\u00ed\u0161, \u017ee simula\u010dn\u00ed modelov\u00e1n\u00ed je hype t\u00e9ma? O digit\u00e1ln\u00edch dvojn\u00edc\u00edch prakticky nesly\u0161\u00edm. Nav\u00edc, kdy\u017e jsem hledala pracovn\u00ed nab\u00eddky na hh ohledn\u011b Anylogic, kterou pr\u00e1v\u011b pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1te, bylo jich m\u00e1lo, a v\u00edce ne\u017e polovina byla spojena s v\u00e1mi.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Na ja\u0159e jsme byli na konferenci o simula\u010dn\u00edm modelov\u00e1n\u00ed v Mnichov\u011b, seznamovali jsme se s firmami, kter\u00e9 to d\u011blaj\u00ed, a mohu \u0159\u00edci, \u017ee Rusko za t\u00edmto ohledem zaost\u00e1v\u00e1. Velk\u00fd trh simula\u010dn\u00edho modelov\u00e1n\u00ed je v USA, tam v\u0161e modeluj\u00ed. A v Evrop\u011b nap\u0159\u00edklad nem\u016f\u017ee\u0161 stav\u011bt infrastrukturn\u00ed objekty bez modelov\u00e1n\u00ed, dokonce modelovali tov\u00e1rnu Volkswagen, kter\u00e1 je u n\u00e1s v Kalug\u011b.<\/p>\n

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Abychom vzali t\u0159eba Anylogic \u2013 rusk\u00fd software pro simula\u010dn\u00ed modelov\u00e1n\u00ed, kter\u00fd se aktivn\u011b pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1 po cel\u00e9m sv\u011bt\u011b, tak v Rusku objem pou\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed tohoto produktu je podle jejich slov m\u00e9n\u011b ne\u017e 10%. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee simula\u010dn\u00ed modelov\u00e1n\u00ed se u n\u00e1s v podstat\u011b teprve rod\u00ed. A nyn\u00ed m\u00e1me \u010d\u00edm d\u00e1l t\u00edm v\u00edce uv\u011bdom\u011bl\u00fdch po\u017eadavk\u016f od z\u00e1kazn\u00edk\u016f.<\/p>\n

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\"Diskutujeme<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Kdy\u017e p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00edte do firem se sv\u00fdmi n\u00e1pady, \u010dasto se setk\u00e1v\u00e1te s odporem?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Ano, \u010dasto. Zejm\u00e9na ve firm\u00e1ch, kde lid\u00e9 \u201estar\u00e9 \u0161koly\u201c se dr\u017e\u00ed sv\u00fdch m\u00edst a \u0159\u00edkaj\u00ed, \u017ee \u201etato v\u011bc\u201c jim nedovol\u00ed zv\u00fd\u0161it efektivitu. N\u011bkdy je to i tak, \u017ee management chce, ale my mus\u00edme pracovat na ni\u017e\u0161\u00ed \u00farovni, s mistry, dispe\u010dery, i z jejich strany je tak\u00e9 n\u011bkdy odpor.<\/p>\n

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Ale nyn\u00ed je viditeln\u00fd trend na zm\u011bnu, a ten se st\u00e1le v\u00edce a v\u00edce projevuje. Star\u0161\u00ed generace odch\u00e1z\u00ed, a nov\u00ed lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed p\u0159ich\u00e1zej\u00ed, u\u017e mysl\u00ed jinak. Krom\u011b toho, jak jsem \u0159\u00edkal, nyn\u00ed jsou v\u0161ichni tak\u0159ka tla\u010deni do digit\u00e1ln\u00ed transformace, vzd\u011bl\u00e1vaj\u00ed se a dokonce i v podnik\u00e1ch v odlehl\u00fdch regionech se \u010d\u00edm d\u00e1l t\u00edm \u010dast\u011bji objevuj\u00ed pokro\u010dil\u00ed lid\u00e9. N\u011bkdy tam pos\u00edlaj\u00ed moskvick\u00e9 pracovn\u00edky, a ti tam v\u0161e rozv\u00edjej\u00ed.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 C\u00edt\u00edte nedostatek odborn\u00edk\u016f?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na situaci, jsme projektov\u00e1 organizace. Pokud p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00ed hodn\u011b projekt\u016f, pak se nedostatek c\u00edt\u00ed, proto\u017ee v\u00fdvoj\u00e1\u0159e je t\u0159eba p\u0159ipravovat n\u011bkolik m\u011bs\u00edc\u016f. Nyn\u00ed bych ne\u0159ekl, \u017ee je nedostatek, m\u00e1me n\u00e1bor p\u0159ibli\u017en\u011b jednoho \u010dlov\u011bka m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dn\u011b kv\u016fli tomu, \u017ee se zvy\u0161uje po\u010det projekt\u016f, ale \u017e\u00e1dn\u00fd obrovsk\u00fd z\u00e1vod v tomto ohledu nen\u00ed.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Kolik plat\u00edte?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Junior m\u016f\u017ee vyd\u011bl\u00e1vat kolem 50 tis\u00edc rubl\u016f. V podstat\u011b m\u00e1me docela standardn\u00ed sazby. Norm\u00e1ln\u00ed platy za\u010d\u00ednaj\u00ed od 80 tis\u00edc a jdou d\u00e1l a\u017e k maxim\u00e1ln\u00edmu limitu. Pokud m\u00e1 \u010dlov\u011bk dobr\u00e9 vztahy se z\u00e1kazn\u00edky a dob\u0159e se vyv\u00edj\u00ed, m\u016f\u017ee rychle dos\u00e1hnout slu\u0161n\u00e9ho platu od 120 tis\u00edc.<\/p>\n

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Tak\u017ee \u010dlov\u011bk programoval n\u011bkolik let, nau\u010dil se Javu, p\u0159i\u0161el k v\u00e1m a m\u00e1 perspektivu dos\u00e1hnout 200 tis\u00edc.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Ano.<\/p>\n

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(V\u00fdznamn\u00fd pohled do kamery)<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\"Diskutujeme<\/p>\n

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V\u0161imla jsem si, \u017ee na YouTube m\u00e1te \u010d\u00e1st vide\u00ed v angli\u010dtin\u011b. Pak jsem na\u0161la \u010dl\u00e1nek, \u017ee vstupujete na britsk\u00fd trh. Pro\u010d?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Opravdu pl\u00e1nujeme vstoupit na britsk\u00fd trh, m\u00e1me c\u00edl, aby polovina na\u0161eho p\u0159\u00edjmu byla ze zahrani\u010d\u00ed. Chceme pracovat po cel\u00e9m sv\u011bt\u011b. Te\u010f m\u00e1me jen n\u011bkolik takov\u00fdch projekt\u016f, ale r\u00e1di bychom, aby to bylo na pravideln\u00e9m z\u00e1klad\u011b.<\/p>\n

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C\u00edt\u00ed se d\u016fvody a z\u00e1jem o v\u00e1s v Evrop\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Z\u00e1vis\u00ed na tom, co nab\u00edz\u00edme. Nap\u0159\u00edklad te\u010f \u0161kol\u00edme v oblasti simulace a RPA pro Evropu a sestavujeme skupiny po 20\u201330 lidech, kter\u00e9 se pak cht\u011bj\u00ed s n\u00e1mi spojit.<\/p>\n

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L\u00edbilo se mi taky v \u010dl\u00e1nku, \u017ee tam maj\u00ed m\u00e9n\u011b kontrol, lep\u0161\u00ed pr\u00e1vn\u00ed a soudn\u00ed syst\u00e9m, a n\u00e1klady na v\u00fdvoj\u00e1\u0159e jsou velmi vysok\u00e9. Ch\u00e1pu to spr\u00e1vn\u011b, \u017ee v\u00fdvoj\u00e1\u0159i budou sed\u011bt tady a pracovat budou v zahrani\u010d\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Ano, no, to je klasika \u017e\u00e1nru.<\/p>\n

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Jen si nev\u0161iml poprv\u00e9, \u017ee u n\u00e1s vznikaj\u00ed nov\u00e9 firmy, kter\u00e9 d\u011blaj\u00ed trendov\u00fd byznys, velmi popul\u00e1rn\u00ed v zahrani\u010d\u00ed, ale je\u0161t\u011b se nerozjely v Rusku. Za\u010d\u00ednaj\u00ed d\u011blat projekty pro zahrani\u010dn\u00ed trh a je mi l\u00edto na\u0161ich v\u00fdvoj\u00e1\u0159\u016f, \u017ee to vlastn\u011b je levn\u00e1 pracovn\u00ed s\u00edla s znalostmi, kterou lze velmi dob\u0159e vyu\u017e\u00edt a prod\u00e1vat skv\u011bl\u00e9 projekty do zahrani\u010d\u00ed.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Zde nesouhlas\u00edm, \u017ee by to byla exploitace, proto\u017ee takov\u00fd v\u00fdvoj\u00e1\u0159 dost\u00e1v\u00e1 velmi vysok\u00e9 odm\u011bny. Ano, nedostane tolik, kolik \u010dlov\u011bk \u017eij\u00edc\u00ed v UK, ale tam jsou tak\u00e9 vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed \u017eivotn\u00ed n\u00e1klady.<\/p>\n

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Tak\u017ee v podstat\u011b berete cenu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Nen\u00ed dobr\u00e9 zapom\u00ednat, \u017ee nej jsme levn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e Indov\u00e9. Vypl\u00fdv\u00e1 z toho, \u017ee m\u016f\u017eeme nab\u00eddnout pouze to, co Indov\u00e9 neum\u011bj\u00ed d\u011blat, kde je opravdu pot\u0159ebn\u00e1 expert\u00edza, in\u017een\u00fdrstv\u00ed a r\u016fzn\u00e9 slo\u017eit\u00e9 v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 d\u011bl\u00e1me l\u00e9pe.<\/p>\n

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\"Diskutujeme<\/p>\n

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Kolik stoj\u00ed v\u00e1\u0161 model?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Od p\u016fl milionu korun a\u017e po nekone\u010dno. Dos\u00e1hli jsme a\u017e na 10 milion\u016f.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Kolik m\u016f\u017ee model za 10 milion\u016f u\u0161et\u0159it va\u0161emu klientovi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Miliardy. Infrastrukturn\u00ed projekty jsou velmi drah\u00e9.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Jak p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010d\u00edte klienty, \u017ee je pro n\u011b v\u00fdhodn\u00e9 koupit si model od v\u00e1s?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Nejjednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed pro n\u00e1s je, kdy\u017e je spole\u010dnost obezn\u00e1mena s t\u00edm, pro\u010d je nutn\u00e9 simulovan\u00e9 modelov\u00e1n\u00ed a jednodu\u0161e n\u00e1s vyu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1 jako dodavatele. Dal\u0161\u00ed \u00farove\u0148 je, kdy\u017e m\u016f\u017eeme sami nab\u00eddnout \u00fa\u010dinnost, to je v podstat\u011b konzultace. V tomto p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b je simulovan\u00e9 modelov\u00e1n\u00ed pouze jedn\u00edm z n\u00e1stroj\u016f, jako je RPA, 1C nebo n\u011bjak\u00fd technick\u00fd p\u0159edpis. Za n\u00e1strojem stoj\u00ed idea a za my\u0161lenkou strategie.<\/p>\n

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Kdy\u017e tedy komunikujeme na \u00farovni my\u0161lenek, n\u011bkde m\u016f\u017eeme prodat a n\u011bkde zat\u00edm ne \u2013 z t\u00e9to perspektivy je\u0161t\u011b nejsme tak vysp\u011bl\u00ed. A tady se posouv\u00e1me do ur\u010dit\u00e9ho odv\u011btv\u00ed, proto\u017ee nen\u00ed mo\u017en\u00e9 b\u00fdt expertem ve v\u0161em.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 P\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00edte k nim sami?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 V sou\u010dasnosti k n\u00e1m p\u0159ich\u00e1zej\u00ed p\u0159ev\u00e1\u017en\u011b oni.<\/p>\n

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Pokud se v\u00e1m to l\u00edbilo, zvu v\u00e1s k shl\u00e9dnut\u00ed \u00fapln\u00e9 verze<\/a><\/noindex>. Tak\u00e9 se dozv\u00edte, jak se vytv\u00e1\u0159ej\u00ed digit\u00e1ln\u00ed dvojn\u00edci a co vlastn\u011b p\u0159edstavuj\u00ed, jak se je nau\u010dit vyv\u00edjet a jakou roli v tom hraje strojov\u00e9 u\u010den\u00ed a v\u011bda.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Pi\u0161te do koment\u00e1\u0159\u016f, co si mysl\u00edte o simulovan\u00e9m modelov\u00e1n\u00ed a slovech Sergeje.<\/p>\n

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