{"id":82838,"date":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","date_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka"},"modified":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","modified_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","slug":"uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/da\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","title":{"rendered":"Hold dine b\u00f8rn v\u00e6k fra vores bl\u00e5 sk\u00e6rme, eller hvorfor man ikke skal k\u00f8be Yandex.Stationen til b\u00f8rn","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

For cirka to uger siden kontaktede jeg Yandex' tekniske support ang\u00e5ende filtreringen af videoer i b\u00f8rnemodus.<\/p>\n

\u00c6rligt talt har jeg f\u00f8r \u00f8nsket at henvende mig om uacceptabelt indhold for b\u00f8rn, men som det ofte er, blev det udsat.<\/p>\n

Desuden \u2014 det er jo Yandex! De ved bedre, hvad du ville finde.<\/p>\n

Det viste sig \u2014 ikke bedre.<\/p>\n

\"Hold
\n
\nTag lige bem\u00e6rkning til ikonet for b\u00f8rnemodus \u00f8verst til h\u00f8jre.
\n<\/a><\/noindex>
\nDet var pr\u00e6cis denne intro \u2014 omkring upassende sprog og 18+ jeg s\u00e5, da jeg fors\u00f8gte at vise mit barn en video om en smuk leg fra MS, for \u00f8vrigt \u2014 legen er 6+.<\/p>\n

Selvf\u00f8lgelig fandtes der andre muligheder, men det satte sine spor.<\/p>\n

Lidt baggrundshistorie \u2014 hvorfor jeg pludselig besluttede at kontakte support.<\/p>\n

Mit barn (7 \u00e5r) er ikke fremmed for computere og gadgets, men er heller ikke fanatisk omkring dem.<\/p>\n

Hun elsker at tegne, og normalt, med hj\u00e6lp fra Alice \u2014 ser p\u00e5 sk\u00e6rmen og fors\u00f8ger at gentage det, som de l\u00e6rer i workshops, lytter til musik, danser og synger. <\/p>\n

Hun h\u00e5ndterer altid elektronikken korrekt, og hvis der opst\u00e5r et sp\u00f8rgsm\u00e5l, pr\u00f8ver hun ofte at finde svarene selv. Selvf\u00f8lgelig forklarer vi som for\u00e6ldre altid, men barnet er ogs\u00e5 interesseret i et andet perspektiv, hvilket i det hele taget er korrekt. Men som det viste sig \u2014 ikke i dette tilf\u00e6lde.<\/p>\n

Barnet har ret til personlig tid og plads, og en lukket d\u00f8r i en til to timer om dagen genererede mig slet ikke \u2014 hun ser tegnefilm, tegner \u2014 hvad kan der v\u00e6re d\u00e5rligt ved det?<\/p>\n

Indtil hun kom hen til mig og sagde \"jeg er bange\".<\/p>\n

Hun st\u00f8dte p\u00e5 nogle skr\u00e6mmende videoer, som heller ikke voksne b\u00f8r se. M\u00e5ske genkendte Alice ikke foresp\u00f8rgslen korrekt, eller m\u00e5ske har vennerne fortalt om noget \u2014 og h\u00e9r er resultatet.<\/p>\n

\"Hold
\n
\nFantastisk video i b\u00f8rnemodus direkte fra Yandex \u2014 fra deres videohosting, ikke?
\nEfter at have set \"det\" i et par minutter, besluttede jeg straks at kontakte support \u2014 for s\u00e5dan en grusomhed i b\u00f8rnemodus er uacceptabel, og i h\u00e5bet om, at de bare vil \"justere filtre\". Men der ville ikke v\u00e6re en artikel, hvis det var s\u00e5 simpelt.<\/p>\n

Jeg springer fremad \u2014 s\u00e5 man kan undg\u00e5 at l\u00e6se en lang korrespondance med support.
\nKort sagt: der findes ikke filtre. Vi (Yandex) mener, at alt er okay.<\/p>\n

Barnet vil se alt, hvortil aldersgr\u00e6nsen ikke er angivet tvangsfuldt (af moderatorer eller uploads), for YouTube og Yandex, som begge leverer hovedindholdet til stationen, betyder dette at praktisk talt enhver video er tilg\u00e6ngelig, da der gen-uploades videoer uden at man beh\u00f8ver at angive begr\u00e6nsninger. Nyheds-tv-kanaler p\u00e5 hostingtjenester er alle tilg\u00e6ngelige (selvom det snart ville v\u00e6re passende at s\u00e6tte 16+ for nyheder).<\/p>\n

Der er ikke engang filtrering baseret p\u00e5 n\u00f8gleord i foresp\u00f8rgslen.<\/p>\n

lang korrespondance med support<\/b>
\n 2020-04-07 13:37:40, Ivan
\nEmne for henvendelsen: Et andet sp\u00f8rgsm\u00e5l
\nSp\u00f8rgsm\u00e5l om: Filtrering af video i b\u00f8rnemode
\nHej!
\nI stationens indstillinger er b\u00f8rnemode aktiveret, men filtreringen, som jeg forst\u00e5r, kun foretages baseret p\u00e5 n\u00f8gleord.
\nSom resultat vises der ofte videoer p\u00e5 sk\u00e6rmen, som for en syv\u00e5rig er tydelig \"voldsomt\". S\u00e5dant indhold findes regelm\u00e6ssigt b\u00e5de p\u00e5 YouTube og Yandex.video.
\nKan du venligst fort\u00e6lle, hvordan man kan l\u00f8se dette problem?<\/p>\n

tir, 7 apr. 2020, 17:03 Yandex.Support
\nHej, Ivan!
\nF\u00f8rst og fremmest, lad os s\u00f8rge for, at du har konfigureret filtreringsindstillingen i den relevante sektion af \"Yandex\" appen: menu (\u229e) -> \"Enheder\" -> \"Konto\" -> \"S\u00f8gemode\".
\nEr det korrekt?
\nI s\u00e5 fald, kan du specificere, hvilken platform videoerne afspilles p\u00e5?
\nKunne du venligst give et eksempel p\u00e5 en s\u00e5dan video?
\nJeg ser frem til dit svar.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 14:44:36, Ivan
\nHej.
\nDet f\u00f8rste billede er resultatet af at fors\u00f8ge at aktivere Dr. House fra startsk\u00e6rmen (afslag). S\u00e5ledes er b\u00f8rnemode aktiveret.
\nOg dern\u00e6st alle de andre foresp\u00f8rgsler.
\nEn s\u00e6rlig anmodning - v\u00e6r venlig at kommentere, hvorfor foresp\u00f8rgslen om video med n\u00f8gleordet 'mord' overhovedet fungerer i b\u00f8rnemodus.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u043f\u0440\u0438\u043b\u043e\u0436\u0438\u043b \u043f\u0430\u0447\u043a\u0443 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0433\u0440\u0430\u0444\u0438\u0439<\/p>\n

tir, 7 apr. 2020 kl. 18:32, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, tak for kontrollen og billederne!
\nFor at vi kunne unders\u00f8ge sp\u00f8rgsm\u00e5let n\u00e6rmere om, hvorfor s\u00e5danne foresp\u00f8rgsler behandles i b\u00f8rnemode, vil jeg gerne have, at du specificerer, hvilke kommandoer du gav til Alice.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 15:56:27, Ivan
\nfilnavn - kommando (eller resultat)
\n01_IMG_20200407_172234<\/a><\/noindex> - \"alice, find p\u00e5 internettet videoen Ori and the Blind Forest\"
\n02_IMG_20200407_172219<\/a><\/noindex> - resultatet af den tidligere foresp\u00f8rgsel
\n03_IMG_20200407_172158<\/a><\/noindex> - video 1 af den tidligere foresp\u00f8rgsel
\n04_IMG_20200407_172224<\/a><\/noindex> - video 1 af den tidligere foresp\u00f8rgsel
\n05_IMG_20200407_172105<\/a><\/noindex> - \"alice, spil Dr. House\"
\n06_IMG_20200407_172533<\/a><\/noindex> - \"alice, find p\u00e5 internettet video prank alvorligt\"
\n07_IMG_20200407_172837<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, find a video of a murder on the internet\u00bb (request)
\n08_IMG_20200407_172907<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, find a video of a murder on the internet\u00bb (result)
\n09_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> - video 1 af den tidligere foresp\u00f8rgsel
\n10_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 2 of the previous request
\n11_IMG_20200407_172351<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, find a video of Momo\u00bb
\n12_IMG_20200407_172428<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 from the previous request
\n13_IMG_20200407_172944<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 photo information about the station
\nseparated by 'requests', renamed files for convenience, and attached them to the email again.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u043e\u0444\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0438\u043b \u0441\u0441\u044b\u043b\u043a\u0430\u043c\u0438 \u043d\u0430 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e<\/p>\n

Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 20:33 Yandex.Support
\nIvan, thank you for renaming the photos and signing the commands and results.
\nI have passed all the information to the responsible specialists. We will need some time to understand the reason for the situation and investigate why Alisa is processing commands and showing such results.
\nAs soon as I have news, I will contact you!<\/p>\n

2020-04-12 15:24:41, Ivan
\nHello! Are there any updates on my issue?<\/p>\n

Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 18:49, Yandex.Support
\nHej, Ivan!
\nUnfortunately, there are still no updates; our specialists are still working on your issue.
\nI will definitely write to you when I have more information!<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 17:3:17, Ivan
\nHello! Two weeks ago I inquired about a feature that you advertise as basic, meaning normally available to be activated and used.
\nYou even have the child mode in your ads \u2014 just recently I received a promo from you where it says '0+' in bold letters, which (as it turns out) does not actually correspond to reality.
\nI provided the requested materials (voice commands, screenshots, etc.).
\nPlease explain to me \u2014 why is my issue taking so long to resolve?<\/p>\n

Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 20:51 Yandex.Support
\nHej, Ivan!
\nThank you for bringing this situation to our attention.
\nCurrently, this mode filters content in such a way that it does not allow the display of hard videos or sexual content.
\nI have forwarded your comments to the specialists. We will work on improving the child mode.<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 18:6:47, Ivan
\nI reported this situation two weeks ago. Now I am asking why the issue is being resolved so slowly.<\/p>\n

Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 21:42 Yandex.Support
\nIvan, yes, you are right.
\nWith my message, I wanted to draw attention to the fact that your opinion is important to us. All information has already been forwarded to the responsible specialists.
\nI \u00f8jeblikket fungerer b\u00f8rnemodus s\u00e5dan, men vi har noteret dit \u00f8nske om at forbedre indholdsfiltreringen i denne tilstand.
\nDesv\u00e6rre kan jeg ikke sige, hvorn\u00e5r det vil blive implementeret, men vi noterer alt og fors\u00f8ger at opfylde det i fremtiden.<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 18:46:11, Ivan
\nDet er vidunderligt, men hvorfor ser jeg et 0+ m\u00e6rke i virkeligheden, hvis det egentlig ikke fungerer?<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 19:15:43, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, jeg vil konsultere mine kolleger om dette sp\u00f8rgsm\u00e5l. S\u00e5 snart jeg har et svar, vil jeg kontakte dig.
\nVenligst vent p\u00e5 mit brev.<\/p>\n

tir, 21 apr. 2020, 15:26, Yandex.Support
\nIlya, tak for ventetiden.
\nVideoerne fra de eksempler, du n\u00e6vnte, betragtes i \u00f8jeblikket som acceptable for familietilstand.
\nVi arbejder i \u00f8jeblikket p\u00e5 et strammere filter til b\u00f8rnemodus.
\n\/\/\u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0418\u043b\u044c\u044f \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

2020-04-21 12:52:12, Ivan
\nLad mig pr\u00e6cisere \u2014 hvem betragtes som acceptable for 0+ videoerne fra eksemplerne?
\nJeg har ikke fundet strengere begr\u00e6nsninger (end dem der er aktuelt opstilt) \u2014 derfor if\u00f8lge reklamen, er dette 0+ tilstand.
\nI den f\u00f8derale lov 436-FZ er aldersklassifikationer klart beskrevet, og for 0+ er udsagn, vold og skr\u00e6mmende indhold entydigt forbudt.
\nTo uger er g\u00e5et siden min f\u00f8rste henvendelse, og nu skriver du p\u00e5 vegne af Yandex, at dette er acceptabelt?
\nDa Yandex t\u00f8r at ignorere loven, kan jeg sagtens tillade mig at kr\u00e6ve, at dette sp\u00f8rgsm\u00e5l straks bliver taget op.
\nYandex har pr\u00e6cis en dag siden jeg sendte mit brev om at rette b\u00f8rnemodulet baseret p\u00e5 mine eksempler.
\nHvis der ikke sker rettelser \u2014 vil der f\u00f8lge henvendelser og artikler fra mig til Roskomnadzor, Sportloto, Pikabu, Habr og tv-kanalen REN TV.
\nTak for opm\u00e6rksomheden, tiden er g\u00e5et.<\/p>\n

tir, 21 apr. 2020, 17:49 Yandex.Support
\nIlya, jeg forst\u00e5r dig. Desv\u00e6rre vil det ikke v\u00e6re muligt at foretage \u00e6ndringer i en kompleks indholdsfiltreringsproces p\u00e5 s\u00e5 kort tid. Men jeg har videregivet dit brev til de ansvarlige. Jeg skriver, n\u00e5r der er nyheder!<\/p>\n

21 apr. 2020, 17:55, Ivan
\nMine herrer, I havde to uger.
\nHvorefter I informerede mig om, at dette indhold var acceptabelt. Desv\u00e6rre er jeg (og den f\u00f8derale lov) ikke enige med jer.
\nSkal jeg vente endnu to uger?) Tak, jeg har allerede ventet.
\nJeg har n\u00e6vnt tiden, resten afh\u00e6nger af jer.
\n\/\/\u0434\u0443\u043c\u0430\u044e, \u0447\u0438\u0442\u0430\u044f \u044d\u0442\u0443 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c\u044e \u0432\u0430\u043c \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u043b\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442\u043d\u043e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0440\u0435\u0437\u0443\u043b\u044c\u0442\u0430\u0442\u0430 \u043d\u0435\u0442<\/p>\n

Og nej, dette er ikke en klage. Man kan klage over personlige problemer, men her kan psykiske problemer opst\u00e5 for enhver tilf\u00e6ldig barn, der kan tale med Yandex.Stationen.<\/p>\n

Jeg h\u00e5ber, at belysningen af problemet vil hj\u00e6lpe med at forbedre filtreringen af YS, og at for\u00e6ldre vil blive klar over den farlige leget\u00f8j.<\/p>\n

Og ja, jeg vil bestemt skrive til RKN.<\/p>\n

OPD: Yandex' svar i kommentarerne<\/a><\/noindex>
\n
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