{"id":30458,"date":"2019-10-31T21:35:39","date_gmt":"2019-10-31T18:35:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/novaya-statya-core-i9-9900x-protiv-core-i9-9900k-bukva-menyaet-vsyo\/"},"modified":"2019-10-31T21:35:39","modified_gmt":"2019-10-31T18:35:39","slug":"novaya-statya-core-i9-9900x-protiv-core-i9-9900k-bukva-menyaet-vsyo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/en\/blog\/news\/novaya-statya-core-i9-9900x-protiv-core-i9-9900k-bukva-menyaet-vsyo","title":{"rendered":"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The LGA2066 platform and Skylake-X family processors were introduced by Intel over a year and a half ago. Initially, this solution was aimed at the HEDT segment, meaning high-performance systems for users involved in content creation and processing, as Skylake-X contained significantly more computing cores compared to the usual members of the Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake families.<\/p>\n<p>However, since the launch of Skylake-X, the landscape of the processor market has changed significantly, and today, quite affordable CPUs can have six or even eight computing cores, while promising mass-market CPUs expected to be released this year may have ten or even twelve cores. Does this make Skylake-X chips obsolete? Most likely not. Firstly, there are offerings in this series with 16 and 18 cores, and there won\u2019t be similar mass options on the market in the near future. Secondly, the LGA2066 platform has other advantages that set it apart from standard consumer processors, such as superiority in memory channels and available PCI Express lanes.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, the cosmetic update of the Skylake-X lineup that the microprocessor giant conducted at the end of last year seemed quite logical \u2013 it perfectly fit into Intel's established schedule of annual announcements. However, the manufacturer\u2019s attitude toward its HEDT novelties was somewhat surprising: the company not only did not reconsider prices but also refused to provide samples of the processors to the IT press, limiting itself to a formal presentation followed by the start of sales.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/1cd80fa7050131437bacc5dc57af69c8.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>Apparently, the company considered the new Skylake-X to be secondary and uninteresting products; however, we fundamentally disagree with that characterization. Yes, the number of computing cores in this updated lineup did not increase. However, other interesting enhancements were implemented: the novelties received increased clock speeds, a larger L3 cache, and an improved internal thermal interface. Therefore, we still decided to give some attention to the updated Skylake-X, which was greatly aided by the computer store \"Regard\", which agreed to provide a couple of new LGA2066 ten-core processors for our research: the Core i9-9820X and Core i9-9900X.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, since the announcement of the Skylake-X Refresh, we have been plagued by the question: why did Intel choose a name so similar to the popular mass-market eight-core Core i9-9900K for its senior ten-core HEDT processor? What does this mean? And now we have the chance to figure it out\u2026<\/p>\n<p class=\"h1\">Skylake-X Refresh Series<\/p>\n<p>Intel announced the arrival of new LGA2066 processors with model numbers from the nine-thousand series back in October of last year. The new line includes seven models: six Core i9 processors with core counts ranging from 10 to 18, and one eight-core Core i7 model that is conditionally entry-level. There are no six-core or four-core options for LGA2066 in this new generation, which is not surprising given the rapid growth of the LGA1151v2 platform's capabilities.<\/p>\n<table class=\"neat\">\n<tr>\n<th><\/th>\n<th>Cores\/Threads<\/th>\n<th>Base frequency, GHz<\/th>\n<th>Turbo Frequency, GHz<\/th>\n<th>L3 Cache, MB<\/th>\n<th>Memory<\/th>\n<th>TDP, W<\/th>\n<th>Price<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Core i9-9980XE<\/strong><\/td>\n<td>18\/36<\/td>\n<td>3,0<\/td>\n<td>4,5<\/td>\n<td>24,75<\/td>\n<td>DDR4-2666<\/td>\n<td>165<\/td>\n<td>$1 979<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Core i9-9960X<\/strong><\/td>\n<td>16\/32<\/td>\n<td>3,1<\/td>\n<td>4,5<\/td>\n<td>22,0<\/td>\n<td>DDR4-2666<\/td>\n<td>165<\/td>\n<td>$1 684<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Core i9-9940X<\/strong><\/td>\n<td>14\/28<\/td>\n<td>3,3<\/td>\n<td>4,5<\/td>\n<td>19,25<\/td>\n<td>DDR4-2666<\/td>\n<td>165<\/td>\n<td>$1 387<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Core i9-9920X<\/strong><\/td>\n<td>12\/24<\/td>\n<td>3,5<\/td>\n<td>4,5<\/td>\n<td>19,25<\/td>\n<td>DDR4-2666<\/td>\n<td>165<\/td>\n<td>$1 189<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Core i9-9900X<\/strong><\/td>\n<td>10\/20<\/td>\n<td>3,5<\/td>\n<td>4,5<\/td>\n<td>19,25<\/td>\n<td>DDR4-2666<\/td>\n<td>165<\/td>\n<td>$989<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Core i9-9820X<\/strong><\/td>\n<td>10\/20<\/td>\n<td>3,3<\/td>\n<td>4,2<\/td>\n<td>16,5<\/td>\n<td>DDR4-2666<\/td>\n<td>165<\/td>\n<td>$889<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><strong>Core i7-9800X<\/strong><\/td>\n<td>8\/16<\/td>\n<td>3,8<\/td>\n<td>4,5<\/td>\n<td>16,5<\/td>\n<td>DDR4-2666<\/td>\n<td>165<\/td>\n<td>$589<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>The most notable change in the processors listed in the table, compared to the previous Skylake-X series, has been the increase in clock frequencies. Nominal frequencies have risen by 200-600 MHz, and the maximum frequencies achieved in turbo mode have increased by 200-300 MHz. Additionally, the lower-end models of the series have seen an increase in the size of the Level 3 cache. Previously, it was calculated based on the rule of \"1.375 MB per core,\" and now each core can have up to about 2 MB of cache. Lastly, the PCI Express controller of the eight-core Core i7-9800X has been fully unlocked, allowing this processor to utilize all 44 lanes that were previously available only to processors with 10 or more cores.<\/p>\n<p>However, all these pleasant changes have also led to an increase in heat generation. While the first generation of Skylake-X had a thermal package limited to 140 W, the new processors have a TDP increased to 165 W. In other words, the higher frequencies assigned to the new processors, achieved without any fundamental changes in the 14nm manufacturing process, come at the cost of expanded energy and thermal limits.<\/p>\n<p>However, Intel claims that the improvement in performance characteristics was made possible by the introduction of the third version of its manufacturing technology, colloquially referred to as 14++ nm, which is currently used to produce Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake Refresh processors. Without this, heat generation could have been even higher. But there is no reason to fear that the new Skylake-X processors may be prone to overheating. Improved thermal interface material beneath the heat spreader is expected to lower the operating temperatures of the new processors. The polymer thermal paste previously used has been replaced with solder that has significantly higher thermal conductivity.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/6049434d2679916966497437131c7d72.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>However, everything mentioned above is just the tip of the iceberg. The fact is that the changes in specifications, primarily the increase in Level 3 cache size, are based on a much more unexpected foundation. Now, for the release of HEDT processors, Intel has started to use semiconductor chips that are significantly different in nature.<\/p>\n<p>This means the following: HEDT processors have always represented a desktop version of server chips. Traditionally, Intel would take lower modifications of Xeon, adapt their memory controllers and some other specifications, and transfer them to a desktop environment. While for its server products, Intel produced three types of semiconductor chips: LCC (Low Core Count) with 10 cores, HCC (High Core Count) with 18 cores, and XCC (eXtreme Core Count) with 28 cores, only the simplest versions of these chips made it into the desktop HEDT processors. For instance, in the first generation Skylake-X processors with 6, 8, and 10 cores, the LCC chip was used, while configurations with 12, 14, 16, and 18 cores utilized the HCC chip.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/23f26343243b922d693ba59a6a402667.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>In the updated Skylake-X models that are being discussed today, the lower version of the LCC chip is no longer used. All new HEDT processors in the nine-thousand series, including the eight- and ten-core variants, are based on the HCC chip. This means that even in the Core i7-9800X or Core i9-9900X, there are potentially 18 cores, though a significant portion of them is hardware-locked during production.<\/p>\n<p>This seemingly strange decision was made precisely to increase the cache size in the new processors. The internal structure of Skylake-X assumes that each computing core is allocated a portion of cache memory with a size of 1.375 MB. If the same Core i9-9900X had used the lower-end LCC chip, it would have been impossible for this processor to achieve more than 13.75 MB of L3 cache. The larger HCC chip is more flexible in this regard, as it has a total of 24.75 MB of cache, and this increased capacity is partially utilized in the new wave of eight- and ten-core processors.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/dce4993763b622b9959ee2f8e50e125b.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>As a result, all Skylake-X have been unified in design, but the downside of this unification has been the widespread use of a very large semiconductor die with an area of about 485 mm\u00b2, which is more than two and a half times the size of the die in the eight-core Coffee Lake Refresh. This means that any of the LGA2066 processors in the nine-thousand series has a significantly higher cost of production compared to the Core i9-9900K. However, despite this, the eight-core Core i9-9800X is listed at only $100 more than the Core i9-9900K. Therefore, it seems reasonable to suppose that the production of eight- and ten-core processors based on 18-core dies still has some economic sense for Intel; for example, the company might be taking advantage of this opportunity to utilize semiconductor dies with a high number of manufacturing defects that have yet to find a suitable application.<\/p>\n<p class=\"h1\">Learn more about the ten-core Core i9-9900X and Core i9-9820X<\/p>\n<p>For testing purposes, we took two ten-core processors of the \"new wave\" \u2013 Core i9-9900X and Core i9-9820X. Although these CPUs have moved to the new HCC die, they have not changed significantly compared to the Core i9-7900X. Usually, Intel updates the microarchitecture when releasing second-generation processors for past HEDT platform varieties, but this time it did not happen. The changes were limited to numerical parameters, as qualitatively, with the Core i9-9900X and Core i9-9820X, we have almost the same offering as the ten-core Core i9-7900X from 2017.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/454a1e780bca43e842d320ca1055c640.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>However, the second generation Skylake-X has no compatibility issues: they work excellently on existing LGA2066 motherboards based on the Intel X299 chipset. Like their predecessors, they have a quad-channel DDR4 memory controller, and the integrated PCI Express 3.0 controller supports 44 lanes, which in theory can be divided into any number of slots \u2013 from three to eleven.<\/p>\n<p>However, the semiconductor die HCC, which forms the basis of the Core i9-9900X and Core i9-9820X, is somewhat different from the dies used in the higher-end Skylake-X models earlier. Although the formal stepping retained the M0 designation characteristic of the original Skylake-X versions with more than 12 cores, Intel has now begun to use modified lithographic masks in the manufacturing process due to the use of a more mature 14++ nm technology process instead of the previous 14+ nm process. The key technological difference lies in the slightly larger pitch between the transistor gates, which, as we have seen with Coffee Lake, positively impacts frequency potential.<\/p>\n<p>At the microarchitecture level, however, there are no changes at all. Surprisingly, the new Skylake-X Refresh processors do not even include any hardware fixes to combat the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities. This is quite strange considering that in the parallel Coffee Lake Refresh product released at the same time, certain patches have already appeared. For example, modern LGA1151v2 processors are protected against Meltdown (Variant 3) and L1TF (Variant 5) attacks at the hardware level.<\/p>\n<p>But the most frustrating part is not even that. The main reason for disappointment is the lack of any changes in the scheme of integrating processor components into a single unit. The Skylake-X Refresh still utilizes a homogeneous cell Mesh network imposed over the array of processor cores. This inter-core connection scheme demonstrates good performance with a significant increase in the number of cores in server processors, but for HEDT products with not too high core counts, it is much less suitable than the traditional ring bus, leading to a dramatic increase in latency. One method of combating this negative effect could have been to accelerate the Mesh connections, but everything remains as it was. The interconnect frequency in both past and current Skylake-X processors is set at 2.4 GHz, so the L3 cache and memory controller of the LGA2066 processors have noticeably worse latency compared to the mainstream Coffee Lake Refresh. However, this is partially offset by the expanded second-level cache, which is 1 MB per core for Skylake-X, rather than four times less.<\/p>\n<p>This can easily be illustrated with a graph of the memory subsystem latency of the current generation Skylake-X processors compared to Coffee Lake Refresh. It clearly shows the lack of improvement in latency issues with the new HEDT processors.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/e6ed7689685f7307aab5db8fbbecd2f4.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/565382c67237cfa83a6524fe749d2a47.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><\/p>\n<p>However, the new ten-core processors can boast advancements in clock speeds and cache size. For example, the Core i9-9900X features a substantial L3 cache of 19.25 MB, which is 40% larger than the cache of the previous ten-core processor, the Core i9-7900X. The base clock speed of the new model has increased from 3.3 to 3.5 GHz, but the maximum frequency of the Core i9-9900X in turbo mode can reach the same 4.5 GHz that was available to the previous generation ten-core processor. In both cases, reaching the 4.5 GHz mark requires the use of Turbo Boost Max 3.0 technology, while the traditional turbo mode offers a maximum frequency of 4.4 GHz for the Core i9-9900X.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/36056da65974f5b7e035d3ed5953c1f8.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>However, in practice, the situation with the Core i9-9900X clock speeds is somewhat different. Under full load across all cores, the processor operates at a frequency of 4.1 GHz.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/4badf463b63537f542c01fdd2a87bce1.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>If this load utilizes AVX instructions, the processor frequency drops to 3.8 GHz.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/f2bcb315d65583c864931aa04f92aae9.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>Moreover, the most resource-intensive 512-bit instructions from the new AVX-512 set, under full load across all cores, cause the processor to throttle down to 3.4 GHz, which, it should be noted, is even lower than the stated nominal frequency.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/eafa556635f9608f8d6dd8e310f0a915.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>Speaking of the ten-core Core i9-9820X, which is a step down, its main difference from its higher-end sibling is the size of the third-level cache, which is reduced to 16.5 MB. The specified frequencies are slightly lower as well, but it should be noted that all Intel HEDT processors have unlocked multipliers, allowing enthusiasts to ignore this drawback.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/540562e3bb9289d6114afdf591f8586c.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>Nevertheless, the base frequency of the Core i9-9820X is 3.3 GHz, while the maximum turbo frequency is 4.1 or 4.2 GHz depending on whether it is using Turbo Boost 2.0 or Turbo Boost Max 3.0.<\/p>\n<p>In practice, when operating the processor with default settings and under full load across all cores, the Core i9-9820X can run at a frequency of 4.0 GHz.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/56f953dd48450d42993cc77e5a570f2d.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>If the load utilizes AVX instructions, the processor reduces its operating frequency to 3.8 GHz.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/590d716e50d3b2f7df61b9f319ebb408.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>In AVX-512 mode, the Core i9-9820X frequency drops to its nominal value \u2013 3.3 GHz.<\/p>\n<p> <img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"New article: Core i9-9900X vs Core i9-9900K: the letter changes everything\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/37c8d3d0a5a349a65832fb0bbb463be5.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>When discussing how the new ten-core LGA2066 processors are better than the old Core i9-7900X, one cannot forget the transition to a more efficient internal thermal interface. The heat-spreading lid is now soldered to the die, similar to what is done in Coffee Lake Refresh. Intel claims that this allows the new processors to dissipate heat more effectively and operate at lower temperatures. However, there are two caveats. First, the solder used by Intel does not impress overclockers, as it is less effective than liquid metal. Secondly, the procedure for delidding has become inaccessible for most enthusiasts: removing the lid without damaging the processor has become very difficult, making it extremely challenging to improve the existing thermal interface.<\/p>\n<p>In conclusion to the discussion on the specifications of the Core i9-9900X and Core i9-9820X, it's worth mentioning the prices. Here Intel did not show much imagination, setting the price of the higher-end ten-core Core i9-9900X at the same $989 that it asked for the Core i9-7900X of the previous generation. However, the Core i9-9820X is $100 cheaper, making it a more attractive offering for enthusiasts, as the 15% smaller L3 cache is unlikely to significantly impact performance, and the nominal clock speeds hold no importance for true high-performance enthusiasts.<\/p>\n<p>Source: <a content=\"nofollow\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/3dnews.ru\/984758\">3dnews.ru<\/a><\/p>","protected":false,"gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"html"}]},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u041f\u043b\u0430\u0442\u0444\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0430 LGA2066 \u0438 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0446\u0435\u0441\u0441\u043e\u0440\u044b \u0441\u0435\u043c\u0435\u0439\u0441\u0442\u0432\u0430 Skylake-X \u0431\u044b\u043b\u0438 \u043f\u0440\u0435\u0434\u0441\u0442\u0430\u0432\u043b\u0435\u043d\u044b Intel \u0431\u043e\u043b\u0435\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0443\u0442\u043e\u0440\u0430 \u043b\u0435\u0442 \u0442\u043e\u043c\u0443 \u043d\u0430\u0437\u0430\u0434. \u0418\u0437\u043d\u0430\u0447\u0430\u043b\u044c\u043d\u043e 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