{"id":76403,"date":"2020-04-02T07:42:36","date_gmt":"2020-04-02T05:42:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/novosti-interneta\/novaya-statya-obzor-proczessorov-amd-ryzen-5-3400g-i-ryzen-3-3200g-videokarta-ne-nuzhna"},"modified":"2020-04-02T07:42:36","modified_gmt":"2020-04-02T05:42:36","slug":"novaya-statya-obzor-proczessorov-amd-ryzen-5-3400g-i-ryzen-3-3200g-videokarta-ne-nuzhna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/en\/blog\/news\/novaya-statya-obzor-proczessorov-amd-ryzen-5-3400g-i-ryzen-3-3200g-videokarta-ne-nuzhna","title":{"rendered":"New article: Overview of AMD Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G processors: no graphics card needed!","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

Do you remember that the Ryzen 3000 series desktop processors include not only multi-core models with Matisse design and Zen 2 architecture, but also fundamentally different models codenamed Picasso? We haven't forgotten about them either, but we've been avoiding them so far as they didn't seem particularly interesting. However, times are changing: rising prices lead to the fact that quad-core processors like Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G, built on Zen+ cores and equipped with integrated RX Vega graphics, could become a very popular option for those looking to build an affordable platform for both gaming and work.<\/p>\n

In the past, we tested the predecessor models of AMD's hybrid processors, Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G<\/a><\/noindex>, and concluded that in its price category, they represent a unique combination of qualities, allowing reasonably priced financial expenditure to yield quite acceptable computing and graphics performance \"in one bottle\". The new Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G processors are their improved versions, with increased performance and slightly reduced prices. Therefore, we decided it would be worthwhile to revisit AMD's chips with integrated graphics and see how today\u2019s modern offerings stack up.<\/p>\n

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Objectively speaking, Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G do not deserve any dismissive attitude. These are two fully-fledged quad-core processors that just three years ago could have been perceived as flagship solutions. Only now, thanks to AMD's active stance in promoting the multi-core paradigm to the masses, have they fallen into the lower price category of processors, but it's important to understand that the software ecosystem has not yet raised the bar for system requirements. Thus, quad-core processors, especially if they support SMT technology, can provide more than sufficient performance for home or office systems.<\/p>\n

Although formally, the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G belong to the Ryzen 3000 family, they are actually lower-end processors even compared to the Ryzen 5 3500X and 3500.<\/a><\/noindex>The reason lies in the fact that they are manufactured using the old 12nm technology and are based on processor cores from the previous microarchitecture, Zen+. Consequently, the performance per core of the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G is somewhat lower than that of modern AMD processors without integrated graphics. However, when it comes to desktop processors, there are currently no 7nm variants of the Zen 2 architecture with integrated graphics at all. There is also no information about AMD's plans to release any such processors aimed at desktop systems. This, in turn, means that the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G, which we will discuss today, continue to remain unique and relevant products, despite their official debut taking place eight months ago.<\/p>\n

Moreover, when comparing the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G with their predecessors from the Raven Ridge family, namely the Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G, one cannot help but notice the progress made in specifications. Firstly, AMD has switched the manufacturing process from 14nm to 12nm technology, while also increasing clock speeds and updating the microarchitecture of the processor cores. Secondly, one of the new Picasso processors has a lid soldered to the semiconductor die, which simplifies cooling and expands overclocking capabilities. Lastly, there have been certain adjustments in the pricing policy: the higher model of the Ryzen with integrated graphics has become 12% cheaper with the arrival of the Ryzen 5 3400G.<\/p>\n

\u2193<\/a><\/noindex>#<\/a><\/noindex>Detailed analysis of the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G.<\/p>\n

From an architectural standpoint, the desktop processors Picasso, including the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G, are based on the same ideas and principles as the Raven Ridge processors. Without getting into specifics, an approximate equality can be placed between the first and second generations of APU in the Ryzen lineup. In other words, the differences introduced by the Zen+ microarchitecture in the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G are quite minor. The performance per core and IPC (instructions executed per clock) differ by about 3%. This gain is primarily due to improvements in the cache and memory controller, which have somewhat lower latencies.<\/p>\n

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It is worth noting that the processors equipped with integrated graphics by AMD are fundamentally different from regular Ryzen in their internal structure. Firstly, they are based on a monolithic processor die: no chiplets are used in this case. Secondly, both Picasso and Raven Ridge CPUs have all computing cores combined into a single CCX complex, which explains the limitation of their maximum number to four, but guarantees consistent latency when accessing all these cores to the third-level cache. Thirdly, the L3 cache in such processors is reduced to 4 MB.<\/p>\n

Like other Ryzen 3000 series, the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G are designed for use within the Socket AM4 ecosystem. Moreover, they are not only fully compatible with modern motherboards based on A320, B450, and X470\/570 chipsets, but can also work with many older boards based on B350 and X370 chipsets. This means that Picasso is well-suited for building budget systems \u2013 you can choose the most cost-effective platforms for them.<\/p>\n

Moreover, the thermal envelope of these processors is limited to 65 watts, meaning they do not impose any special requirements on the power system on the motherboard. This also allows for a simple and inexpensive cooler. For example, the Ryzen 5 3400G, when purchased in the boxed version, comes with the Wraith Spire, while the lower-end Ryzen 3 3200G is supplied with the Wraith Stealth. Both coolers use solid aluminum heatsinks, which are more than adequate for cooling Picasso.<\/p>\n

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When it comes to the formal specifications of Picasso for desktop systems, the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G stand out against the Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G primarily due to slightly increased clock speeds of both the computing cores and the integrated RX Vega family GPU.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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The 12nm manufacturing process from GlobalFoundries allowed the manufacturer to increase the speed of the processor part by 100-300 MHz and the graphics part by 150 MHz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
<\/th>\nRyzen 5 3400G<\/th>\nRyzen 3 3200G<\/th>\nRyzen 5 2400G<\/th>\nRyzen 3 2200G<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n
Codename<\/td>\nPicasso<\/td>\nPicasso<\/td>\nRaven Ridge<\/td>\nRaven Ridge<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Manufacturing technology, nm<\/td>\n12<\/td>\n12<\/td>\n14<\/td>\n14<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Cores\/Threads<\/td>\n4\/8<\/td>\n4\/4<\/td>\n4\/8<\/td>\n4\/4<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Base frequency, GHz<\/td>\n3,7<\/td>\n3,6<\/td>\n3,6<\/td>\n3,5<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Turbo mode frequency, GHz<\/td>\n4,2<\/td>\n4,0<\/td>\n3,9<\/td>\n3,7<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Overclocking<\/td>\nThere is<\/td>\nThere is<\/td>\nThere is<\/td>\nThere is<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
L3 Cache, MB<\/td>\n4<\/td>\n4<\/td>\n4<\/td>\n4<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Memory support<\/td>\n2 \u00d7 DDR4-2933<\/td>\n2 \u00d7 DDR4-2933<\/td>\n2 \u00d7 DDR4-2933<\/td>\n2 \u00d7 DDR4-2933<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Integrated graphics<\/td>\nRX Vega 11<\/td>\nRX Vega 8<\/td>\nRX Vega 11<\/td>\nRX Vega 8<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Number of stream processors<\/td>\n704<\/td>\n512<\/td>\n704<\/td>\n512<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Graphics core frequency, GHz<\/td>\n1,4<\/td>\n1,25<\/td>\n1,25<\/td>\n1,1<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
PCI Express lanes<\/td>\n8<\/td>\n8<\/td>\n8<\/td>\n8<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
TDP, W<\/td>\n65<\/td>\n65<\/td>\n65<\/td>\n65<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Socket<\/td>\nSocket AM4<\/td>\nSocket AM4<\/td>\nSocket AM4<\/td>\nSocket AM4<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Official price<\/td>\n$149<\/td>\n$99<\/td>\n$169<\/td>\n$99<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

Interestingly, the Ryzen 5 3400G has a launch price that is $20 lower than that of the Ryzen 5 2400G. In stores, this processor indeed costs less than its predecessor, making the Ryzen 5 2400G a less sensible purchase. However, this rule does not apply to the Ryzen 3 3200G, as the Ryzen 3 2200G can currently be purchased for slightly less than its newer counterpart. Nevertheless, AMD has ceased shipments of Raven Ridge series processors, and what is available on store shelves are leftovers that will disappear soon.<\/p>\n

Despite the fact that the price of the older processor with integrated graphics has decreased, there remains a noticeable price gap between it and the Ryzen 3 3200G. The older processor costs one and a half times more, which can be justified by its SMT technology and support for twice the number of threads, as well as the most powerful integrated graphics core RX Vega with 11 computing units. It seems AMD's idea is that the Ryzen 5 3400G is more of a gaming processor, while the Ryzen 3 3200G is more office-oriented and multimedia-focused, although the boundary between them is rather conditional.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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While AMD has transitioned the compute cores of the new generation APU to the Zen+ microarchitecture, the graphics part of the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G has remained unchanged compared to what was present in Raven Ridge. This is due to the fact that the performance of the integrated graphics has hit the limits of the memory subsystem's capabilities, and without support for faster memory technologies, achieving tangible speed gains is no longer possible.<\/p>\n

However, some new graphics features have been added by AMD in the driver. For example, hybrid processors finally gained support for secure 4K video streaming, which is necessary for the operation of streaming services like Netflix at high resolutions. Additionally, Picasso supports the Radeon Anti-Lag technology, which reduces response delays in gaming environments.<\/p>\n

As before, both processors with integrated graphics do not have locked multipliers, meaning they can be overclocked, both the CPU and the GPU parts. DDR4 SDRAM can also be overclocked, but it's important to understand that the memory controller in the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G is not as versatile as in the 7nm Ryzen 3000 series processors, so one shouldn't expect extreme overclocking results. In this regard, it will be more similar to how memory overclocking was handled in the first or second generation Ryzen processors.<\/p>\n

However, when compared to Raven Ridge, it is reasonable to expect better overclocking results from the Ryzen 5 3400G. This processor from AMD utilizes a more efficient internal thermal interface under the lid \u2013 solder instead of thermal paste, as seen in other APU models. Additionally, the Ryzen 5 3400G now supports the Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) feature, which allows for higher clock speeds to be unlocked while maintaining the one-click turbo mode. However, it's important to remember that effective PBO operation requires good CPU cooling.<\/p>\n

All that remains to add is that the desktop versions of Picasso discussed in this material are analogs of the mobile AMD processors belonging to the three-thousand series released in early 2019. But due to a more liberal approach to thermal output and power consumption, the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G are inherently superior in performance to their laptop counterparts in both computing and graphics tasks. Only the new APU designs from Renoir, which will soon begin to conquer the mobile computer market, can surpass them.<\/p>\n

However, this does not indicate the imminent arrival of the next generation of AMD processors with integrated graphics for desktop systems. The Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G will be around for quite some time, and there is a logic to this. The Renoir family includes relatively expensive octa-core and hexa-core processors. In budget desktop configurations, which are exactly where processors with integrated graphics are needed, they simply do not fit.<\/p>\n

\u2193<\/a><\/noindex>#<\/a><\/noindex>Description of test systems and testing methodology<\/p>\n

In many ways, the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G are unique offerings from AMD, making it difficult to find direct competitors. The fact is, Intel currently does not have desktop products with a powerful integrated graphics accelerator. Nevertheless, if we consider pricing, alternatives to AMD's hybrid processors can be found among both the Core i3 series and the lower-end Core i5 models. In cases where the performance of the integrated GPU in gaming is not a concern, we specifically compared the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G to these alternatives.<\/p>\n

For testing the integrated graphics of Picasso in games, we had to call upon quite different competitors. Naturally, for form's sake, we tested the Core i5-9400 with the UHD Graphics 630, but the main alternatives for the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G in such tests were combinations of Core i3-9100 and budget discrete graphics cards like the GeForce GT 1030. Two versions of these graphics cards were used \u2013 equipped with DDR4 and GDDR5 video memory. Also participating in the comparison were the predecessors of the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G \u2013 the Raven Ridge processors.<\/p>\n

Finally, in cases where we tested the Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G processors in regular applications or games with a discrete graphics card, the Ryzen 5 3500X was also added to the competition - one of the most affordable representatives of the Matisse family, which, by the way, today costs even less than the Ryzen 5 3400G.<\/p>\n

In the end, the test systems were formed from the following components:<\/p>\n