{"id":38353,"date":"2019-10-31T22:23:11","date_gmt":"2019-10-31T19:23:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/nam-ne-nuzhny-pravki-perevoda-nashemu-perevodchiku-vidnee-kak-eto-dolzhno-perevoditsya\/"},"modified":"2019-10-31T22:23:11","modified_gmt":"2019-10-31T19:23:11","slug":"nam-ne-nuzhny-pravki-perevoda-nashemu-perevodchiku-vidnee-kak-eto-dolzhno-perevoditsya","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/et\/blog\/news\/nam-ne-nuzhny-pravki-perevoda-nashemu-perevodchiku-vidnee-kak-eto-dolzhno-perevoditsya","title":{"rendered":"Me ei vaja t\u00f5lke parandusi: meie t\u00f5lkija teab paremini, kuidas see peaks olema t\u00f5lgitud.","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"<p>See post on hiljade ereigivi proovima, et kirjastuste s\u00f5numi k\u00e4tte toimetada. Nendel on oluline, et nad v\u00f5taksid t\u00f5lgete vastutust t\u00f5sisemalt. <\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Arendajana olen ma oma teekonnal ostnud palju erinevaid raamatuid. Raamatud erinevatest kirjastustest. Suuri ja v\u00e4ikeseid. Esiteks suured kirjastused, kellel on v\u00f5imalus investeerida tehnilise kirjanduse t\u00f5lgetesse. Need on olnud erinevad raamatud: k\u00f5ik oleme me l\u00e4binud oma otsingute etappe v\u00f5i k\u00e4ime neid veel. Ja k\u00f5ik need raamatud \u00fchendas \u00fcks: nad olid t\u00f5lgitud nii, et neid oli peaaegu v\u00f5imatu lugeda. Ajan jooksul muidugi harjub \u00e4ra ka terminite t\u00f5lkega (m\u00f5ttes t\u00f5lkides need, mida igap\u00e4evaselt kasutatakse) ning katkende n\u00f5rga stiiliga, mis n\u00e4itab, et tekst on inglise keelest v\u00f5etud. Kuid harjumust ei ole harjunud hindadega, mida kirjastused k\u00fcsivad populaarsete v\u00e4ljaannete eest.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Me ei vaja t\u00f5lke parandusi: meie t\u00f5lkija teab paremini, kuidas see peaks olema t\u00f5lgitud.\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/477457ac06b32dda45f261d7b320c195.png\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Kommentaarides kutsutakse kirjastusi.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" name=\"habracut\"><\/a><\/noindex><\/p>\n<p>Proovime m\u00f5ista, mis on raamat? V\u00f5tame raamat, mille maht on 600 lehte, mis on midagi keskmist IT v\u00e4ljaannete turul. \u00dche koopia tr\u00fckkimise hind, tuginedes T\u0161ehhovi Tr\u00fckikoja hindadele, mis on suurte kirjastuste kasutuses, on 175 rubla. Ja 2000 eksemplari tr\u00fckkimise hind on n\u00e4iteks 350 000 rubla. Kui v\u00f5tta populaarne raamat, siis selle hind on umbes 1500 rubla. Seega v\u00e4ljaanne teenib (1500 - 175) * 2000 - 13% = 2 305 000 rubla.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Kuid kirjastusel on palju v\u00e4ljaminekuid. Allpool on minu viimased katsed arvutada, kuid kommentaarides vastas kirjastus Piter ja selgitas seda l\u00e4hemalt. Kopeerin kommentaarist + lingi kommentaarile: <\/p>\n<p>\n<b class=\"spoiler_title\">Minu n\u00f5rgad katsed<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>maksta ladustamise eest;<\/li>\n<li>transportimise eest tr\u00fckikojast ladustamiseni;<\/li>\n<li>distributori teenused (kui ma \u00f5igesti tean, siis umbes 150 rubla raamatu kohta... aga see on fantaasia)<\/li>\n<li>t\u00f5lkija ja toimetaja teenused;<\/li>\n<li>mingi v\u00e4ike protsent - kogu kirjastuse personali palgad (raamatuid on palju, seega protsent on v\u00e4ike);<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Vastus <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habr.com\/ru\/users\/imnepatop\/\" class=\"user_link\">IMnEpaTOP<\/a><\/noindex>. Seal on veel <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habr.com\/ru\/company\/clrium\/blog\/468245\/#comment_20650043\">palju muud huvitavat<\/a><\/noindex>, soovitan lugeda.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Te unustasite tasu maksmise autorile\/\u00f5iguste omajale (ettemaks + autori\u00f5iguse tasu).<\/li>\n<li>Te arvutasite maksud valesti (liialt madalalt). On k\u00e4ibemaks, on ka tegelikud maksud.<\/li>\n<li>Te ei arvesse v\u00f5tnud \"k\u00e4ibe kiirus\", mis m\u00e4\u00e4rab mar\u017ei n\u00f5uded. Kuidas te ise m\u00e4rkisite \u2013 raamat ei ilmu \u00fche kuuga. Tr\u00fckk ei m\u00fc\u00fcda \u00fche kuuga. Ja kulud algusest peale on \u00fcsna suured (etagantmaks + haldus, mis eelnes leidmisele, aktsepteerimisele, \u00f5iguste saamisele). Ja kulud saadavad raamatut kuni viimase eksemplari m\u00fc\u00fcgini. Kui v\u00e4ljaanne ei tooda suuremat tulu kui alternatiivsed investeerimisviisid, siis miks peaks kirjastus \u00fcldse eksisteerima?<\/li>\n<li>Kui teil on meeskond, siis on ka kontor(id), kus nad t\u00f6\u00f6tavad mingite arvutitega jne... Nende \u00fclalpidamine maksab raha.<\/li>\n<li>Eeldus, et t\u00f6\u00f6tajate palgad on v\u00e4ike protsent \u2013 kehtib ainult juhul, kui raamatuid on t\u00f5esti palju. Aga kui neid on palju \u2013 muudab see, et neile p\u00f6\u00f6ratakse v\u00e4he t\u00e4helepanu (mis teile ei meeldi). Ent kui raamatuid on v\u00e4he, ei saa nende kulude protsent olla v\u00e4ike. \u00dcldiselt t\u00e4hendab see kulude rida d\u00fcnaamiliselt, et see v\u00f5tab nii palju, kui palju lugejad on valmis selle eest lisatasu maksma.<\/li>\n<li>Kaubanduslik risk. Mitte k\u00f5ik raamatud ei m\u00fc\u00fcda planeeritud ajavahemikus, mist\u00f5ttu ei too parimal juhul k\u00f5ik raamatud kasumit. Veelgi enam, mitte k\u00f5ik raamatud ei m\u00fc\u00fc \u00fcldse nende v\u00e4lja. Loomulikult k\u00f5ik need riskid arvestatakse ja kompenseeritakse t\u00f5stes hindade k\u00f5igi v\u00e4ljalastud raamatute puhul. Seega tasuvad n\u00f5udlikud raamatud eba\u00f5nnestunud raamatute kulusid.<\/li>\n<li>Teie arvutuse k\u00f5ige eba\u00f5nnestunum punkt on jaoturi komisjon. See ei ole fikseeritud 150r. See ei ole \u00fcldse fikseeritud. Kirjastus tarnib raamatuid hulgi. Jaekaupmehed panevad need riiulitele mis tahes hinnaga, mille nad peavad \u00f5igustatuks. Teie arvutuses n\u00e4ib, et kirjastuse hind t\u00f5useb umbes 10%. 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See on github'is ja levitatakse avatud litsentsi alusel. Olen selle teosega p\u00f6\u00f6rdunud kahe v\u00e4ljaande poole (nimetusi ei too esile, aga nende raamatud on teie riiulitel). Esmakordselt proovisin ma p\u00f6\u00f6rduda varases faasis, kui see oli kirjutatud umbes 30%. Siis p\u00e4rast pikka kirjavahetust (umbes 80 kirja) me vaidlesime:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>ma tahtsin oma kaant, mille tellisin Lebedevi stuudio disainerilt. Nemad \u2014 ei;<\/li>\n<li>nemad soovisid, et ma eemaldaksin k\u00f5ik koopiaid raamatust github'ist. See ei olnud v\u00f5imalik, seega t\u00f5estasin, et see ei ole v\u00f5imalik;<\/li>\n<li>ma tahtsin j\u00e4tta endale \u00f5iguse eraldi v\u00e4lja anda ingliskeelne versioon. Nemad kehtestasid keelu, v\u00e4ites, et kui nende poole p\u00f6\u00f6rdub ingliskeelne v\u00e4ljaanne, ei soovi nad sellest v\u00f5imalusest loobuda. <strong>Aga nende poole ei ole veel keegi p\u00f6\u00f6rdunud.<\/strong>.<br \/>\nN\u00f5udsin, et lepingut muudetaks, kuid nad tegid selle nii, et v\u00e4liselt n\u00e4gi k\u00f5ik v\u00e4lja nagu ma saaksin eraldi ingliskeeles v\u00e4lja anda \u2014 teises v\u00e4ljaandes. Aga tegelikult \u2014 ei. Sellega vestlus l\u00f5ppes.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>P\u00f6\u00f6rdusin teise v\u00e4ljaande poole. Nad palusid teksti tutvuda, ma saatsin selle. Nad esitasid tingimused:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>v\u00e4ljaanne maksma hakkab alates 200,000 rubla. <\/li>\n<li>alates 500 eksemplarist.<\/li>\n<li>madala tihedusega paber (nagu ajalehe, kui t\u00e4hed paistavad l\u00e4bi);<\/li>\n<li>m\u00fc\u00fcgi juures \u2014 45% mulle, 55% \u2014 neile.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><em>Samas kontrollis teost nende t\u00f5lkija.<\/em> Mida see t\u00e4hendab?<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Kohustuse t\u00e4itmiseks ei ole v\u00e4ljaande juures programmeerijaid. Selle asemel on inimesi, kes tegelevad tehnilise t\u00f5lkega. V\u00e4ljaandel puudub juhtkonnas programmeerija. Mida see t\u00e4hendab? See t\u00e4hendab, et juhtkond ei tea, millest tekstis jutt. Neile on olulised ainult m\u00fc\u00fcgid. Firmas on inimene, kes t\u00f5lgib tehnilist kirjandust. T\u00f5en\u00e4oliselt on ta selles valdkonnas kogenud? See t\u00e4hendab, et nad usaldavad teda, peavad teda ekspertiks. See inimene saab raamatud m\u00f5nelt autorilt ja v\u00f5rdleb neid oma kogemustega. Kuna raamatud tulevad vooluna ja m\u00f5ni on pidevalt protsessis, ei s\u00fcvene ta t\u00f5en\u00e4oliselt tekstidesse s\u00fcgavalt. Mida mulle kirjutati:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Tsitaat:<\/strong>&#187; \u042d\u0442\u043e \u0432\u043e\u0432\u0441\u0435 \u043d\u0435 \u0434\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0443\u043a\u0442\u043e\u0440, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0442 \u043f\u043e\u043a\u0430\u0437\u0430\u0442\u044c\u0441\u044f \u0438\u0437\u043d\u0430\u0447\u0430\u043b\u044c\u043d\u043e \u0438\u0437-\u0437\u0430 \u0441\u0445\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0438 \u043e\u0431\u044a\u044f\u0432\u043b\u0435\u043d\u0438\u044f \u0444\u0438\u043d\u0430\u043b\u0438\u0437\u0430\u0442\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0432 \u0432 C# \u0438 \u0434\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0443\u043a\u0442\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0432 \u0432 C++. \u0424\u0438\u043d\u0430\u043b\u0438\u0437\u0430\u0442\u043e\u0440, \u0432 \u043e\u0442\u043b\u0438\u0447\u0438\u0435 \u043e\u0442 \u0434\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0443\u043a\u0442\u043e\u0440\u0430, \u0432\u044b\u0437\u043e\u0432\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f \u0433\u0430\u0440\u0430\u043d\u0442\u0438\u0440\u043e\u0432\u0430\u043d\u043d\u043e, \u0442\u043e\u0433\u0434\u0430 \u043a\u0430\u043a \u0434\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0443\u043a\u0442\u043e\u0440 \u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0442 \u0438 \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u044b\u0437\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c\u0441\u044f&#187;<br \/>\n<strong>T\u00f5lkija:<\/strong> \u0423\u0442\u0432\u0435\u0440\u0436\u0434\u0435\u043d\u0438\u0435 &#171;\u0434\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0443\u043a\u0442\u043e\u0440 \u0432 C++ \u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u0442 \u0438 \u043d\u0435 \u0432\u044b\u0437\u0432\u0430\u0442\u044c\u0441\u044f&#187; \u2014 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u043d\u044b\u0439 \u043d\u043e\u043d\u0441\u0435\u043d\u0441 (\u0438 \u044d\u0442\u043e \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u043d\u0435 \u0433\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0440\u044f \u043e\u0431 \u0443\u043f\u043e\u0442\u0440\u0435\u0431\u043b\u0435\u043d\u0438\u0438 \u0432\u043e\u0437\u0432\u0440\u0430\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0439 \u0444\u043e\u0440\u043c\u044b \u0433\u043b\u0430\u0433\u043e\u043b\u0430, \u043a\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0440\u0430\u044f \u0437\u0434\u0435\u0441\u044c \u043d\u0435\u0443\u043c\u0435\u0441\u0442\u043d\u0430).<br \/>\n\u041e\u0431\u0441\u0443\u0436\u0434\u0435\u043d\u0438\u0435 \u0438\u0441\u043a\u043b\u044e\u0447\u0435\u043d\u0438\u0439 \u0432\u043e \u0432\u0442\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0439 \u0447\u0430\u0441\u0442\u0438 \u0431\u043e\u043b\u0435\u0435 \u0438\u043d\u0442\u0435\u0440\u0435\u0441\u043d\u043e, \u043d\u043e \u0432\u0440\u044f\u0434 \u043b\u0438 \u043e\u0440\u0438\u0433\u0438\u043d\u0430\u043b\u044c\u043d\u043e \u2014 \u0432 \u043a\u043d\u0438\u0433\u0435 \u0420\u0438\u0445\u0442\u0435\u0440\u0430 &#171;CLR via C#&#187; \u0432\u0441\u0435 \u044d\u0442\u043e \u043d\u0430\u0432\u0435\u0440\u043d\u044f\u043a\u0430 \u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c. \u041e\u0431\u0435\u0449\u0430\u043d\u043d\u0430\u044f \u043c\u043d\u043e\u0433\u043e\u043f\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0447\u043d\u043e\u0441\u0442\u044c \u043f\u0440\u0435\u043a\u0440\u0430\u0441\u043d\u043e \u043e\u0441\u0432\u0435\u0449\u0435\u043d\u0430 \u0432 \u043f\u0435\u0440\u0435\u0432\u0435\u0434\u0435\u043d\u043d\u043e\u0439 &lt;\u0418\u0437\u0434\u0430\u0442\u0435\u043b\u044c\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e\u043c&gt; \u043a\u043d\u0438\u0433\u0435 \u043d\u0430 \u044d\u0442\u0443 \u0442\u0435\u043c\u0443.<br \/>\nAutori l\u00e4henemine terminoloogiale ei suurenda ka raamatu usaldusv\u00e4\u00e4rsust.<br \/>\nEnt siin on teine n\u00e4ide: \u00fche lehe peal kasutatakse kolme t\u00f5lget sama termini (stack unwinding) jaoks: kerimine, arendamine ja lahtiv\u00f5tmine. Kuidas seda hinnata?<br \/>\n<strong>\u00dcldiselt, kui raamatuna v\u00e4ljaandmiseks, tuleb materjal kas \u00fcmber kirjutada v\u00f5i hoolikalt toimetada.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ma ei pretendeeri heale stiilile, grammatikavigade ja \u00f5ige kirjutamise puudumisele. Kuid... kas t\u00f5lkija anal\u00fc\u00fcsib tehnoloogia kirjeldamise vigu? Ja samas julgesti, pakkudes k\u00f5ike \u00fcmber kirjutada, m\u00f5tlemata sellele, et ta v\u00f5ib midagi mitte teada. Vastus oli selline:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>kui objekti m\u00e4lust ei vabastata, ei kutsutata destruktorit v\u00e4lja, kuna tekib m\u00e4lu leke. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Erandid on igal pool pinnapealselt kirjeldatud, erinevalt minu raamatust.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Autori l\u00e4henemine terminoloogiale ei suurenda ka raamatu usaldusv\u00e4\u00e4rsust.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>See on programmeerijate terminoloogia. Kas teie ekspert on .NET platvormi arendaja?<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Ent siin on teine n\u00e4ide: \u00fche lehe peal kasutatakse kolme t\u00f5lget sama termini (stack unwinding) jaoks: kerimine, arendamine ja lahtiv\u00f5tmine. Kuidas seda hinnata?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>K\u00f5iki kolme s\u00f5na kasutatakse aktiivselt. <\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Sama ajal proovisin end t\u00f5lke redigeerimisel inglise keelest vene keelde. Tekst on t\u00fc\u00fcpiline p\u00f5rgu. Nii stiili kui ka terminite t\u00f5lkimise poolest. St, kirjutatud k\u00fcll vene keeles, aga mitte vene moodi. Kirjutatud nagu inglise keeles. Kas see on tuttav? Rullin varrukad \u00fcles ja hakkan toimetama. M\u00f5nikord \u2014 l\u00f5ikudena. Vastus oli umbes selline: miks te sellega tegelete? Meil on parem aru, kuidas asjad peaksid olema. Meie t\u00f5lk on v\u00e4ga hea ja p\u00e4rast teda ei ole vajadust stiili ja t\u00f5lke \u00fcle vaadata. Ainult m\u00f5ned terminid ja koodiloendid. T\u00f5lkele aega raisata ei tohi.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2 id=\"kak-nado\">Nii peab olema<\/h2>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Inglise keelde t\u00f5lgib mulle <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habr.com\/ru\/users\/bartov-e\/\" class=\"user_link\">bartov-e<\/a><\/noindex>. Temal ja tema meeskonnal on hoopis teistsugune l\u00e4henemine. Seet\u00f5ttu on mul, millega v\u00f5rrelda. Alguses pommitasid mind koos teise t\u00f5lkijaga k\u00fcsimustega. P\u00e4randi, virtuaalsete meetodite tabelite, GC kohta. Esitati nii palju k\u00fcsimusi, et olen kindel: m\u00f5lemad oleksid l\u00e4binud .NET arendaja intervjuu. Aja jooksul k\u00fcsimuste hulk aga v\u00e4henes. Ning praeguseks on neid peaaegu mitte. Miks? Sest nad on sattunud \u00f5igele terminoloogiale. Ja hiljuti saatis mulle selle:<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Me ei vaja t\u00f5lke parandusi: meie t\u00f5lkija teab paremini, kuidas see peaks olema t\u00f5lgitud.\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/68d8639e003edf88ff0a4abd768cd7b8.png\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u00d6elda, et olin \u00fcllatunud \u2014 ei \u00fctleks midagi. Tundub, et t\u00f5lked v\u00f5ivad olla head? \ud83d\ude42 Kuid \u00fche tingimuse korral: kui toimetamine arendajalt toimub paralleelselt t\u00f5lkega, mitte alles l\u00f5pus, kui kirjastusele hakkab kahju minema kulutatud ajast. <\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong> Toimetaja ja kontrolliv arendaja peavad t\u00f6\u00f6tama t\u00f5lkega paralleelselt<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2 id=\"vyvody-dlya-sebya\">J\u00e4reldused enda jaoks<\/h2>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Kirjastustele ei ole kvaliteetsed t\u00f5lked vene keelde vajalikud. See on neile kallis. Kuni arendaja t\u00f5lgib, kuni teeb t\u00e4ieliku toimetamise, kuni see on kirjastusega koosk\u00f5lastatud (vaidlused iga l\u00f5igu \u00fcle), kulub v\u00e4ga palju aega. V\u00f5ib-olla isegi aasta. Selle ajaga v\u00f5ib tehnoloogia muutuda vananenuks ja kellelegi mittevajalikuks. Raamat tuleb kohe riiulisse panna, seni kuni teema on kuum.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Teisest k\u00fcljest on internet t\u00e4is artikleid. Tasuta artikleid. Ja kirjastus kaotab ostjaid. Eriti halva t\u00f5lke olemasolul. Kuid, lugupeetud kirjastused. Miks me ostame raamatuid?<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Isiklikult loen ma raamatuid, sest raamatu autor m\u00f5tleb erinevalt artikli autorist \u2014 globaalselt. See t\u00e4hendab, et saan s\u00fcgava ja l\u00e4bim\u00f5eldud kirjelduse tehnoloogiast. Raamatut on mulle isiklikult lihtsam lugeda kui e-lugerist v\u00f5i ekraanilt. Ekraani heledus ei h\u00e4iri mind, saab lehti keerata. Ma v\u00e4sin ekraanidest ja tahan midagi taktiilset. Raamatut.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Nii et kallid kirjastajad. Raamatutr\u00fckikunsti mammutid. T\u00f5lkijate seas valitseb teatud t\u00f5lkimise kord. Kui esimesena t\u00f5lgib emakeelne k\u00f5neleja, siis toimetab iga hinna eest emakeelne k\u00f5neleja sihtkeeles. Teie jaoks ei tundu see ju midagi kummalist. See on \u2014 loogiline ja teile tundub see normaalsena. Noh, IT-raamatute puhul on emakeelsed k\u00f5nelejad programmeerijad. Meie arvamust tuleb kuulata. 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