{"id":54524,"date":"2019-12-28T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-12-27T21:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/blog_prohoster\/podvedeny-itogi-golosovaniya-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian"},"modified":"2020-02-18T14:02:32","modified_gmt":"2020-02-18T11:02:32","slug":"podvedeny-itogi-golosovaniya-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/et\/blog\/news\/podvedeny-itogi-golosovaniya-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian","title":{"rendered":"Debian'i initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemide h\u00e4\u00e4letuse tulemused on selgunud","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

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V\u00f5itnud variant tunnustab, et systemd teenuse\u00fcksused on eelistatud viis deemonite ja teenuste k\u00e4ivitamise seadistamiseks, kuid tunnistab, et on olemas keskkondi, kus arendajad ja kasutajad saavad luua ja rakendada alternatiivseid algatuss\u00fcsteeme ja s\u00fcsteemifunktsioone, mis on systemd v\u00f5imalustele alternatiivsed. Alternatiivsete lahenduste arendajatel on vaja ressursse oma t\u00f6\u00f6tegemiseks ja pakettide vormindamiseks. Alternatiivsed lahendused, nagu elogind, mida kasutatakse rakenduste k\u00e4ivitamiseks, mis on seotud systemd-spetsiifiliste liidestega, j\u00e4\u00e4vad projektile olulisteks. Selliste algatuste toetamine n\u00f5uab koost\u00f6\u00f6d valdkondades, kus arendatavad alternatiivsed tehnoloogiad kattuvad \u00fclej\u00e4\u00e4nud projektiga, n\u00e4iteks ei tohi pat\u0161ide \u00fclevaatamise ja arutelude viibimist venitada.<\/p>\n

Pakettidesse on lubatud lisada nii systemd unit-faile kui ka init-skripte teenuste k\u00e4ivitamiseks. Paketid v\u00f5ivad s\u00f5ltuvalt paketihaldurist kasutada k\u00f5ik systemdi v\u00f5imalusi, tingimusel et need vastavad Debian reeglite n\u00f5uetele ega ole seotud eksperimentaalsete v\u00f5i Debiani toetatud pakettidest p\u00e4rit v\u00f5imalustega. Lisaks systemd-le v\u00f5ivad paketid sisaldada ka alternatiivsete initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemide toe ning pakkuda komponente, mis asendavad systemd spetsiifilisi liideseid. Otsused patchide lisamise kohta tehakse haldurite poolt tavap\u00e4raste menetluste raames. Debian on p\u00fchendunud koost\u00f6\u00f6le tuletatud jaotustega, mis on valinud endale muud initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemid, kuid koost\u00f6\u00f6 toimub haldurite tasandil, kellel lasub otsustada, millised v\u00e4ljastpoolt valmistatud jaotuste v\u00f5imalused kuuluvad Debian p\u00f5hikoostisse ja millised j\u00e4\u00e4vad tuletatud jaotusesse.<\/p>\n

Tuletame meelde, et 2014. aastal kinnitas<\/a><\/noindex> \u00fcleminek<\/a><\/noindex> otsustas jaotuse tehniline komitee minna \u00fcle systemd-le, kuid ei t\u00f6\u00f6tanud v\u00e4lja<\/a><\/noindex> otsust mitme initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemi toetamise osas (h\u00e4\u00e4letamisel v\u00f5itis punkt, mis n\u00e4itas komitee valmiduse puudumist selle k\u00fcsimuse lahendamiseks). Komitee juht soovitas paketihalduritel s\u00e4ilitada sysviniti toe alternatiivse initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemina, kuid m\u00e4rkis, et ei saa oma seisukohta peale suruda ning igas \u00fcksikjuhus tuleb otsus teha iseseisvalt. <\/p>\n

P\u00e4rast seda tegi m\u00f5ned arendajad katse korraldada \u00fcldine h\u00e4\u00e4letus, kuid eelnevad h\u00e4\u00e4letused n\u00e4itasid, et mitme initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemi kasutamise k\u00fcsimuse osas ei ole vajalik otsust vastu v\u00f5tta. Mitme kuu eest, p\u00e4rast<\/a><\/noindex> elogind paketi (mis on vajalik GNOME'i toimimiseks ilma systemd-ta) lisamist testing harusse, tekkis konflikt libsystemd-ga, k\u00fcsimus t\u00f5statati taas Debian projekti juhi poolt, kuna arendajad ei suutnud kokkuleppele j\u00f5uda ning nende suhtlus muutus vastasseisuks ja j\u00f5udis ummikusse. probleemide<\/a><\/noindex> Arutluseks oli j\u00e4rgmised variandid: <\/p>\n

Teenuste k\u00e4ivitamiseks peavad paketid kindlasti sisaldama init-skripte, ainult systemdi unit-failide tarnimine ilma sysv init-skripte ei ole lubatud.<\/p>\n

  • P\u00f5hit\u00e4helepanu on suunatud systemd-le. Alternatiivsete initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemide toetamine ei ole prioriteet, kuid hooldajatel on \u00f5igus vabatahtlikult lisada pakettidesse init-skripte selliste s\u00fcsteemide jaoks.\n<\/li>\n
  • Eelistatud j\u00e4\u00e4b systemd, kuid j\u00e4tkub v\u00f5imalus toetada ka alternatiivseid initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteeme. Tehnoloogiad nagu elogind, mis v\u00f5imaldavad alternatiivsetes keskkondades k\u00e4ivitada systemd-ga seotud rakendusi, peetakse oluliseks. Pakettidesse on lubatud lisada init-failid alternatiivsete s\u00fcsteemide jaoks.\n<\/li>\n
  • Mitmesuguste initsialiseerimiss\u00fcsteemide toetamist ja v\u00f5imalust laadida Debian s\u00fcsteemidega, mis erinevad systemd-st.
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  • S\u00fcsteemide toetamine, mis ei kasuta systemd-d, kuid ilma muudatusteta, mis takistaksid arendust. Arendajad n\u00f5ustuvad toetama mitmeid k\u00e4ivituss\u00fcsteeme l\u00fchiajalises tulevikus, kuid peavad vajalikuks t\u00f6\u00f6tada ka systemd toe parandamise nimel. Spetsiifiliste lahenduste arendamise ja toetamisega peaksid tegelema selliste lahenduste vastu huvi tundvad kogukonnad, kuid teised hooldajad peavad aktiivselt aitama ja toetama probleemide lahendamist, kui see on vajalik. Ideaalis peaksid paketid t\u00f6\u00f6tama mis tahes k\u00e4ivituss\u00fcsteemi kasutamisel, mille jaoks on v\u00f5imalik pakkuda traditsioonilisi init-skripte v\u00f5i kasutada muid mehhanisme, mis v\u00f5imaldavad t\u00f6\u00f6tada ilma systemd-ta. Ilma systemd-ta t\u00f6\u00f6tamise v\u00f5imatust peetakse veaks, kuid mitte veaks, mis takistab v\u00e4ljaannet, v\u00e4lja arvatud juhul, kui on olemas valmis lahendus, et t\u00f6\u00f6tada ilma systemd-ta, kuid selle s\u00e4ilitamisest keeldutakse (n\u00e4iteks kui probleem on p\u00f5hjustatud varem antud init-skripti eemaldamisest).\n<\/li>\n
  • Toetuse kandmine, ilma muudatusteta, mis takistaksid arendust. Debianit n\u00e4hakse endiselt sidusena erinevate tarkvarade integreerimiseks, pakkudes vastavat v\u00f5i sarnast funktsionaalsust. \u00dcks oluline eesm\u00e4rk on \u00fchilduvus, sh riistvara platvormide ja tarkvarakogumite vahel, ja alternatiivsete tehnoloogiate integreerimine on teretulnud, isegi kui nende loojate maailmapilt erineb \u00fcldisest arvamusest. Suhtumine systemd ja teiste k\u00e4ivituss\u00fcsteemide suhtes on t\u00e4ielikult koosk\u00f5las punktiga 4.\n<\/li>\n
  • Toetuse \u00fcleviimine mitme k\u00e4ivituss\u00fcsteemi n\u00f5udmisse. V\u00f5imaluse pakkumine Debianile k\u00e4ivitamiseks k\u00e4ivituss\u00fcsteemidega, mis ei ole systemd, j\u00e4tkub projekti jaoks olulisena. Iga pakett peab t\u00f6\u00f6tama pid1 t\u00f6\u00f6tlejate puhul, mis erinevad systemd-st, v\u00e4lja arvatud juhul, kui paketti kuuluv tarkvara on algselt m\u00f5eldud t\u00f6\u00f6tama ainult systemd-ga ja puudub tugi t\u00f6\u00f6tamiseks ilma systemd-ta (init-skriptide puudumist ei loeta ainult systemd-le m\u00f5eldud t\u00f6\u00f6ks).\n<\/li>\n
  • Toetab \u00fcleviimist ja mitme rakenduse kasutamist. \u00dchised p\u00f5him\u00f5tted on t\u00e4ielikult koosk\u00f5las punktiga 5, kuid systemd ja k\u00e4ivitus\u00ad s\u00fcsteemide suhtes ei esita konkreetseid n\u00f5udeid ning arendajatele ei kehtestata mingeid kohustusi. Arendajatele soovitatakse arvesse v\u00f5tta \u00fcksteise huve, leida kompromisse ja leida \u00fchised lahendused, mis oleksid rahuldavad erinevatele osalistele.\n<\/li>\n
  • Arutelu j\u00e4tkumine. Punkti saab kasutada vastuv\u00f5etamatute valikute hinna alandamiseks.\n<\/li>\n

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