{"id":54930,"date":"2020-01-08T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-01-07T21:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/blog_prohoster\/obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii"},"modified":"2020-02-18T14:02:59","modified_gmt":"2020-02-18T11:02:59","slug":"obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/et\/blog\/novosti-interneta\/obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii","title":{"rendered":"K\u00e4ime l\u00e4bi digitaalsed kaksikud ja simulatsioonimudelid konsultatsioonifirma asutajaga","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

NFP asutaja Sergei Lozhkin r\u00e4\u00e4kis mulle, mis on simuleerimine, digitaalsed kaksikud, miks on meie arendajad Euroopas odavad ja \u00e4gedad, ja miks Venemaal on k\u00f5rge digitaliseerimise tase.<\/p>\n

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Tulge k\u00fclastama, kui soovite teada, kuidas see t\u00f6\u00f6tab, kellele on Venemaal Digital Twin vajalik, kui palju projekt maksab ja kuidas seda \u00f5ppida.<\/p>\n

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Digitaalne kaksik on reaalobjekti v\u00f5i -protsessi t\u00e4pne virtuaalne koopia. Igasuguseid neid on juba ammu aktiivselt kasutatud \u00fcle kogu maailma raha s\u00e4\u00e4stmiseks ja ohutuse suurendamiseks. Venemaa hakkab l\u00f5puks samuti sellesse suunda liikuma, ja on r\u00f5\u00f5m, et meil on lahedad ettev\u00f5tted, mis on tuntud isegi v\u00e4lismaal.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

T\u00e4ispika intervjuu (veidi \u00fcle tunni) vaatamiseks k\u00fclastage minu YouTube\u2019i kanalit, seal on k\u00f5ik v\u00e4ga elav ja huvitav, ning esimeses kommentaaris on ajakoodid.<\/p>\n

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\r\n \"Vaata\r\n
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Siin aga v\u00e4ga kokkuv\u00f5tlikult toon v\u00e4lja m\u00f5ned hetked, loominguliselt kohandatud tr\u00fckiformaadile.<\/p>\n

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Farya:
\n\u2014 Kui kaua on teie ettev\u00f5ttes eksisteerinud suund \u00abSimulatsiooni modelleerimine\u00bb ja miks otsustasite sellega tegeleda?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Sergei:
\n\u2014 Meil t\u00f6\u00f6tas 2016. aastal t\u00f6\u00f6taja, kes teadis, mis on Anylogic. Ta \u00fctles, et teema on \u00e4ge, teeme seda. Ja me hakkasime, teadmata tegelikult, mis see on. Hakkasime sellesse investeerima, koolitama inimesi, leidma kliente. Ja siis see inimene lahkus... Kuna olime juba mingi tee l\u00e4binud, otsustasime j\u00e4tkata.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Vaata, tuli mingi uus asi, mida tuleb arendada, ja te m\u00f5istsite v\u00e4ga h\u00e4sti, et suurem osa turust on \u00abriigihanked\u00bb vastava mentaliteediga ja lagunevad tehased, mida tuleb kuidagi modelleerida. Kas te t\u00f5esti uskusite sellesse tehnoloogiasse v\u00f5i otsustasite lihtsalt tegeleda millegi moes?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\u2014 Ma ei \u00fctleks, et see tol ajal moes oli, seal oli v\u00e4ga huvitav idee. Minu arvates ootavad digitaalsed eksperimendid mudeleid k\u00f5igis valdkondades, sinna tuleb igal juhul minna. Ameeriklased n\u00e4iteks modelleerivad terveid s\u00f5jatulesid, paigutavad tanke, lennukeid, jalav\u00e4ge ja vaatavad lahingu tulemusi.<\/p>\n

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See, this is in the military sector. In the civilian sector, America and Europe have been modeling for a long time as well. China is advancing in modeling by leaps and bounds. For example, the German company SimPlan used Anylogic to model the operations of the Airbus airplane, Mercedes is actively utilizing it, and pretty much any large company is experimenting with models. We have leading companies in our country doing this, both commercial and governmental; for whom, by the way, digital transformation is one of the main topics right now.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Well, we know how it goes\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 We know\u2026 but they have to deliver some results. It's impossible to just keep talking about it all the time; soon, I will start asking questions. So, they need to do something.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\"K\u00e4ime<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Who are your clients?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 They are mostly large companies. Conditionally, the TOP-1000 are our target clients. Most of them are commercial companies as well as those with state participation. Among the clients are systemically important companies in energy, gas extraction, and air transportation.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 What are they interested in modeling?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Neid huvitas protsesside modelleerimine, mille eksperimentaalsed kulud on k\u00f5rged. N\u00e4iteks on olemas ahju, mille suurus on nagu maja, ja iga tehnoloogilise protsessi muutmise viga, mis on v\u00e4lja t\u00f6\u00f6tatud juba 60ndatel, v\u00f5ib maksma minna v\u00e4ga kalliks. Seet\u00f5ttu, kuigi protsessi efektiivsust on v\u00f5imalik suurendada, ei tehta eksperimente.
\nSellisel juhul on v\u00f5imalik luua \"digitaalne kaksik\", milles arvestatakse ahjus toimuvaid protsesse ja kogu tarvikud \u2013 ladude, kraanade jne, ning modelleerida kogu seda toimingut. N\u00e4iteks uurida, mis juhtuks, kui me ei v\u00e4hendaks ahju temperatuuri.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kuidas digitaalne kaksik erineb simuleeritud modelleerimisest?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Simulatsioonimudeleerimine on protsess digitaalsete kaksikute loomises ja nende kasutamises, st f\u00fc\u00fcsilise objekti v\u00f5i protsessi virtuaalses koopias. See v\u00f5ib olla \u00e4riprotsess, n\u00e4iteks k\u00f5nede suunamine, raudteetranspordi liikumine, autod, midagi, mis on seotud logistika jm.<\/p>\n

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Tegelikult on digitaalne kaksik \u00fcsna moes teema ning selle alla mahub palju erinevat. See v\u00f5ib olla n\u00e4iteks mingi triikraua mudel, aga samuti v\u00f5ib 1C juurutamist nimetada raamatupidamise digitaalseteks kaksikuteks. Me piirame selle m\u00f5iste f\u00fc\u00fcsiliste protsessidega.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Miks sa arvad, et simulatsioonimodelleerimine on moeteema? Mina pole digitaalsetest kaksikutest peaaegu midagi kuulnud. Veel enam, kui ma otsisin hh kaudu t\u00f6\u00f6kuulutusi Anylogic'ile, mida te just kasutate, siis neid oli v\u00e4he ja rohkem kui pooled olid teiega seotud.<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kevadel olime M\u00fcnchenis simulatsioonimodelleerimise konverentsil, tutvusime ettev\u00f5tetega, kes selle valdkonnaga tegelevad, ja ma v\u00f5in \u00f6elda, et Venemaa j\u00e4\u00e4b selles osas maha. Suur turuosa simulatsioonimodeleerimise alal on Ameerikas, seal modelleeritakse k\u00f5ike. Ja n\u00e4iteks Euroopas ei tohi infrastruktuuri objekte ehitada ilma modelleerimiseta; nad on isegi modelleerinud Volkswageni tehast, mis asub meil Kalugas.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

Isegi kui v\u00f5tta Anylogic \u2013 Vene tarkvara simulatsioonimudeldamiseks, mida kasutatakse rahvusvaheliselt, on selle toote kasutamine Venemaal nende s\u00f5nul alla 10%. See t\u00e4hendab, et meil on simulatsioon p\u00f5him\u00f5tteliselt alles startimas. Ja n\u00fc\u00fcd n\u00e4eme \u00fcha enam teadlikke p\u00e4ringuid klientidelt.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\"K\u00e4ime<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kui tuled ettev\u00f5ttesse oma ideedega, kas kohtad tihti vastupanu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Jah, tihti. Eriti ettev\u00f5tetes, kus \u201evana kooli\u201d inimesed peavad oma kohti ja \u00fctlevad, et \u201esee asi\u201d ei v\u00f5imalda t\u00f5sta t\u00f5husust. Juhtub isegi, et juhtkond tahab, kuid peame t\u00f6\u00f6tama madalamal tasemel, koos meistrite ja juhtidega, kelle seas on ka vastupanu.<\/p>\n

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Kuid praegu on muutus selgelt n\u00e4htav ja see muutub \u00fcha ilmsemaks. Lahkuvad \u201evanad tegijad\u201d, ja uued, kes tulevad, m\u00f5tlevad juba teisiti. Sellega seoses, nagu ma \u00fctlesin, surutakse praegu peaaegu iga\u00fcht digitaalsetesse muudatustesse, korraldatakse koolitusi ja isegi kaugemates piirkondades on \u00fcha rohkem edasij\u00f5udnud inimesi. Juhtub, et Moskvast saadetakse sealne personal ja nad arendavad seal k\u00f5ike.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kas tunnete t\u00f6\u00f6j\u00f5u puudust?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 See s\u00f5ltub olukorrast, oleme projektiorganisatsioon. Kui projekte tuleb palju, siis t\u00f5epoolest tunneb puudust, sest arendajat tuleks koolitada mitu kuud. Praegu ei saa ma \u00f6elda, et puudus oleks, meil on umbes \u00fcks inimene kuus t\u00f6\u00f6le v\u00f5tta, kuna projektide arv suureneb, kuid pikki kinnitusi selles osas ei ole.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kui palju te maksate?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Noorem arendaja v\u00f5ib teenida umbes 50k rubla. \u00dcldiselt on meie tasud piisavalt standardsed. Normaalne palk algab 80k-st ja t\u00f5useb sealt \u00fcles. Kui klientidele meeldib inimene ja ta areneb h\u00e4sti, v\u00f5ib ta kiiresti j\u00f5uda hea palgani, umbes 120k.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Nii et inimene on programmeerinud mitu aastat, \u00f5ppinud Java, tuli teie juurde ja tal on Perspektiiv ulatuda 200k-ni.<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Jah.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 (M\u00f5tleme, vaadates kaamerasse)<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\"K\u00e4ime<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Olen m\u00e4rganud, et teil on YouTube'is osa videoid inglise keeles. Siis leian artikli, et sisenete Suurbritannia turule. Miks?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Meie plaan on t\u00f5epoolest siseneda Briti turule, me sihid, et pool meie k\u00e4ibest tuleks v\u00e4lisriikidest. Soovime t\u00f6\u00f6tada \u00fcle kogu maailma. Praegu on meil selliseid projekte vaid \u00fcksikuid, aga tahaksime, et see oleks pidev.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kas Euroopas tunned tulevikuv\u00e4ljavaateid ja huvi teie vastu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 See s\u00f5ltub sellest, mida me pakume. N\u00e4iteks praegu korraldame simuleeritud modelleerimise ja RPA koolitusi Euroopas ning kogume gruppidesse 20\u201330 inimest, kes tahavad meiega edasi suhelda.<\/p>\n

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\u2014 Mulle meeldis artiklis ka see, et seal on v\u00e4hem kontrolle, parem \u00f5igus- ja kohtus\u00fcsteem ning arendajate kulud on v\u00e4ga k\u00f5rged. Kas ma m\u00f5istan \u00f5igesti, et arendajad t\u00f6\u00f6tavad siin, aga teevad t\u00f6\u00f6d v\u00e4lismaal?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Jah, no see on ju \u017eanri klassika.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Just like I noticed for the first time that we have new companies emerging that are making hype businesses, very popular abroad but still not gaining traction in Estonia. Consequently, they start working on projects for the foreign market, and I feel a bit sorry for our developers, as this is essentially cheap labor with brains that can be exploited very well to sell great projects abroad.<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 I don't completely agree that this is exploitation because such a developer receives very good bonuses. Yes, they won't earn as much as someone living in the UK, but the cost of living there is higher.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 So, essentially, are you just taking the price?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Don't forget that we are not cheaper than the Indians. It turns out that we can only offer what Indians cannot do, where real expertise, engineering, and all sorts of complex things come into play, which we do better.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\"K\u00e4ime<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 How much does your model cost?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 From half a million rubles to infinity. We have reached up to 10 million.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 How much can a model worth 10 million save your client?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Miljardid. Infrastruktuuri projektid on v\u00e4ga kallid.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kuidas veendate kliente, et neile on kasulik osta teilt mudelit?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Meie jaoks on k\u00f5ige lihtsam variant see, kui ettev\u00f5te on kursis, miks on vajalik simuleeritud modelleerimine ja lihtsalt palkab meid teostajatena. Teine tase on see, kui me saame ise pakkuda efektiivsust, see ongi n\u00f5ustamine, sisuliselt. Sellisel juhul on simuleeritud modelleerimine vaid \u00fcks t\u00f6\u00f6riistadest, nagu RPA, 1C v\u00f5i lihtsalt mingisugune tehniline regulatsioon. T\u00f6\u00f6riista taga seisab idee, idee taga on aga strateegia.<\/p>\n

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Nii et kui r\u00e4\u00e4gime ideede tasemel, saame m\u00f5nes osas m\u00fc\u00fca, aga m\u00f5nedes kohtades veel mitte \u2013 ei ole veel piisavalt k\u00fcpsed. Ja siin suundume kas v\u00f5i \u00fchte v\u00f5i teise t\u00f6\u00f6stusesse, sest ei ole v\u00f5imalik olla k\u00f5iges ekspert.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Kas te tulete ise nende juurde?<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

\u2014 Praegu tulevad peamiselt meie juurde.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

Kui see teile meeldis, kutsub teid vaatama t\u00e4ielikku versiooni<\/a><\/noindex>. Samuti saate teada, kuidas luuakse digitaalsed kaksikud ja mis nad endast kujutavad, kuidas neid arendada ning kuidas tal on seos masin\u00f5ppe ja teadusega.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Kirjutage kommentaaridesse, mida arvate simuleerimismodelleerimisest ja Sergei s\u00f5nadest.<\/p>\n

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