{"id":74736,"date":"2020-03-20T08:43:07","date_gmt":"2020-03-20T05:43:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/administrirovanie\/antipatterny-devops-sobesedovaniya"},"modified":"2020-03-20T08:43:07","modified_gmt":"2020-03-20T05:43:07","slug":"antipatterny-devops-sobesedovaniya","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/et\/blog\/administrirovanie\/antipatterny-devops-sobesedovaniya","title":{"rendered":"DevOps-i vestluse antipatronid","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Tere k\u00f5igile, mu kallid lugejad!<\/p>\n<p>T\u00e4na tahan jagada oma m\u00f5tteid ammu p\u00e4evakorrale t\u00f5usnud teemal ja v\u00f5ib-olla arutada seda kommentaarides.<br \/>\nSagedasti satun artiklitele halbadest intervjuupraktikatest programmeerijana, mis minu arvates on \u00fcsna elulised ja loodan, et HR osakonnad neid loevad, olenemata firma suurusest.<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" name=\"habracut\"><\/a><\/noindex><\/p>\n<p>Meie kandis on n\u00f5udlus selliste huvitavate ametikohtade, nagu DevOps insener, olemas. Ma olen \u00fcks neist, kes ei suuda seda v\u00e4ljendit v\u00e4ga h\u00e4sti tajuda (jah, DevOps metodoloogia jne), seet\u00f5ttu n\u00e4en m\u00f5ningaid arenguteid, mis erinevad selle spetsialistide grupi seas.<br \/>\nEsiteks usun ma p\u00fchendunult, et igal inimesel on oma huvide ring isegi t\u00f6\u00f6valdkonnas, st kellele meeldivad pilved, kellele s\u00fcvitsi minek rakendusserveritesse, s\u00fcgava Java seadistamine, ja kellelegi meeldib Pythonis koodi kirjutamine v\u00f5i hoia taevas yaml koodist eemal. Seega ilmuvad siia nii\u00f6elda Infrastructure insenerid, Build insenerid, Senior Yaml Developers \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\nK\u00f5ik see v\u00f5imaldab \u00fchelt poolt leida inimese, kes sobib maksimaalselt teie \u00fclesannete gruppi, ja teiselt poolt tekitab arusaamatust intervjuudes.<br \/>\nOma isikliku kogemuse p\u00f5hjal olen l\u00e4bi viinud mitmeid k\u00fcmneid intervjuusid ja osalenud erinevates rollides vastajana, tahan jagada oma vaadet toimuvast.<\/p>\n<p>Esimene ja v\u00f5ib-olla mu lemmik antipattern on soov leida keegi, kes teeks k\u00f5ike, v\u00f5i ebamugavustunne, et keegi pole selge, kes vajalik on; vaatame palju kandidaate ja seal siis m\u00f5istame. See kehtib t\u00f5en\u00e4oliselt igas valdkonnas, kuid siin on oma erip\u00e4rad.<br \/>\nOlen m\u00e4rganud, et inimesed eelistavad t\u00f6\u00f6kuulutusi, kus on s\u00f5na DevOps, kui System Administrator, kuigi minu arvates on Senior tasemel \u00fclesannete valdkond nende kahe ala vahel maksimaalselt erinev.<br \/>\nIga t\u00f6\u00f6andja, kellele on t\u00f5eliselt vajalik s\u00fcsteemiadministraator, kirjutab t\u00f6\u00f6kuulutuse pealkirjas devops, loetledes \u00fclesande sisus absoluutselt k\u00f5ik, K8S\/Java\/gradle\/oracleDB jne, kuigi tegelikult peab inimene tegelema K8S klastrite ja OracleDB toe pakkumisega meeskonnast eraldi. <br \/>\nKuidas toimub siis siinkohal arendajate\/operatsioonide koost\u00f6\u00f6?<br \/>\nEdasi selgub, et sellise meeskonnaga suhtlemise protsessi jaoks ei ole ette n\u00e4htud midagi, ning tegelikult ei ole ka operations osakonda, seega tuleb teil seadistada ka arendajate arvutid.<br \/>\nSelline variant sobib t\u00f5esti osale kandidaatidest, kuid olgem ausad, see on Senior System Administrator, nii et miks ei soovita nii kirjutada ja mis selles h\u00e4biv\u00e4\u00e4rset on? Erinevus palgas erinevate ametinimetuste vahel? Kuid ettev\u00f5tte eelarve on \u00fcks, ja kuidas laeva ikka ei nimeta, s\u00f5idab ta oma eelarve piires. <br \/>\nKuulsin ka seda, et kandidaat automatiseerib k\u00f5ik kiiresti ja liitub tootearendusega Pythonis, mis vahet seal on, k\u00f5ikjal on Python sama. Maailmavaated ja l\u00e4henemisviisid ei ole arvesse v\u00f5etud.<\/p>\n<p>Edasi eristan ma tavaliselt spetsialistide taset, kes tulevad, ja n\u00e4en iga\u00fche jaoks eraldi oma ebamugavusi.<br \/>\nJunior \u2014 isiklikult on minu jaoks Junior DevOps inimene, kes on kesktasemel omandanud s\u00fcsteemihaldust \/ arendust. Siin on meeldiv diferentseerida tugevaid Linuxi kasutajaid, kes soovivad kasvada uuel alal, v\u00f5i arendajaid, kellel on soov teha head teistele arendajatele. Tugevad, kel m\u00f5ningaid vigade leidmise, logide otsimise oskusi, v\u00f5i kel on mingi hulk kooditud projekte.<br \/>\nOlen kohtunud nii s\u00fcsteemihalduritega, kes on midagi proovinud ja soovivad pilvedega tutvuda, kui ka nendega, kes on proovinud fronti, backi ja mingitel p\u00f5hjustel leidnud huvi DevOpsi protsessides. <br \/>\nSellel tasemel h\u00e4irib mind alati, kui hakata r\u00e4\u00e4kima tohutu tehnoloogia teadmisest, Puppet, Ansible \u2014 miks pole k\u00f5ike proovinud? K8S, K3S \u2014 mis vahe on? Kui palju andmebaasi t\u00fc\u00fcpe sa tead? miks nii v\u00e4he? kuidas kr\u00fcpteerimine Java-s t\u00f6\u00f6tab? Eriti need, kes on tulnud arendamisest, kuigi need on v\u00e4ga kasulikud inimesed, neile on alati selles valdkonnas t\u00f6\u00f6d.<br \/>\nMind ajab alati segadusse, kui selline asi juhtub, esimene k\u00fcsimus, mis tuleb k\u00fcsida \u2014 miks??? Teine, mis m\u00f5tteisse tuleb \u2014 kas intervj\u00f6\u00f6r on valmis vastama k\u00fcsimustele sellise mitmekesise tehnoloogia kohta? Kas nad t\u00f5esti soovivad v\u00f5tta juuniore ja panna neile k\u00f5ik? <br \/>\nSellist asja juhtub tihti erinevates bodishoppides, kui tuleb inimene m\u00fc\u00fca m\u00f5nele projektile ja ette on vaja rohkem lahedaid s\u00f5nu CV-sse v\u00f5i lihtsalt vaatavad ettev\u00f5tted, kes ei soovi kedagi v\u00f5tta.<\/p>\n<p>Tase Middle <br \/>\nSiin on minu arvates mitmeid \u00e4\u00e4rmusi, esiteks on ilmselt keeruline t\u00e4pselt kindlaks teha, mida inimene t\u00f5eliselt keskastme oskuste tasemele soovib, kas teda p\u00fc\u00fctakse langetada algaja tasemele v\u00f5i hakatakse teda koormama nagu kogenud t\u00f6\u00f6tajat, \u00fcritades saada kogenud t\u00f6\u00f6taja hinda keskastme tasemega (jah, turg otsustab, mitte midagi isiklikku).<br \/>\nK\u00f5ige \u00fcllatavam, mida olen n\u00e4inud \u2014 sukelduda s\u00fcgavale kodeerimisse, kasutada Pythonit, vaeva n\u00e4ha Java GC-ga, st minna juba s\u00fcgavamatesse spetsiifiliste teemade juurde v\u00f5i vastupidi, avada t\u00fchimikke ammu unustatud teadmistest, tegeleda v\u00f5rkude, ops\u00fcsteemide draiverite t\u00fc\u00fcpidega, naeratades ja rahulolevalt m\u00f5eldes, kuidas inimene sai selle unustada. Ja siin toimub k\u00f5ige huvitavam!<br \/>\nKeskastme taseme juures, minu arvates, kujuneb spetsialistil huviring ja isiklik n\u00e4gemus selle osas, millega soovitakse t\u00f6\u00f6tada \u2014 kas tuua v\u00e4lja uusim tehnoloogia, tuues sisse selliseid uusi lahendusi, v\u00f5i harjutada end hirmu\u00e4ratavas ettev\u00f5ttes, vastandudes koodi j\u00f5udluse s\u00fcgavustesse. <br \/>\nMinu arvates tasuks juba sel teemal uurida, millistes protsessides inimene t\u00f6\u00f6tas, k\u00fcsida, mis oli kuni maksimumini huvitav ja mis mitte ning nende teadmiste p\u00f5hjal luua k\u00fcsimuste klaster, sidudes k\u00fcsimused oma tehnoloogiaga. Vastasel juhul, l\u00e4bides \u00fchinemise avameelse vestluse tunni v\u00f5i kahe jooksul OpenShift klastrite konfigureerimise kohta, palgata inimene ja lasta tal luua j\u00e4lgimist. T\u00f5en\u00e4oliselt meeldib see m\u00f5lemale poolele.<\/p>\n<p>Vanem taseme <br \/>\nOh, minu lemmiktase.<br \/>\nTeie ees on tugev spetsialist, kes on end kasvatanud erinevatel projektidel, inimene, kes juba teab, mida ta tahab, ja mis talle ei meeldi.<br \/>\nJa n\u00fc\u00fcd algab show:<br \/>\n \u2014 s\u00fcgavad k\u00fcsimused s\u00fcsteemi haldamise kohta (vt esimene antipattern)<br \/>\n \u2014 s\u00fcgavad k\u00fcsimused Linuxist \u00fcldiselt teooria valdkonnast, mis on kaugel praktilistest teadmistest (OSI tasemed, peamine k\u00fcsimus)<br \/>\n \u2014 akadeemilised k\u00fcsimused kodeerimise kohta (sest intervjueerijad ei tea t\u00f5eliselt valdkonda, teda lihtsalt paluti intervjuud teha kummalise DevOps'i kandidaatiga)<br \/>\nTeen siin v\u00e4ikese m\u00e4rkuse. Kord k\u00fcsiti minult intervjuus kirjutada mingi koodijupp. Paberile. Noh, nagu k\u00f5ik armastavad, iga p\u00e4ev kirjutavad, paber on meie k\u00f5ik.<br \/>\nKuna \u00fclesanne oli lahendatud, vaatasin oma lehte ja lahendust, siis anti otsus, et algoritm ei ole optimeeritud. Soovitasingi, et intervjueerija kirjutaks oma algoritmi, mille peale sain vastuseks: \"See ei kuulu vestluse raamesse\". Palusin minut aega, tegin koodi natuke \u00fcmber ja n\u00e4itasin, k\u00fcsides, kas n\u00fc\u00fcd on kiiremini v\u00f5i aeglasemalt? Vastus oli, et liigume j\u00e4rgmise k\u00fcsimuse juurde. Erinevus oli koodi t\u00f6\u00f6 k\u00e4imises ts\u00fcklis ja ilma ts\u00fcklist, ja mul oli ette valmistatud vastus, miks on parem nii teha, mitte naa. P\u00e4rast seda ei olnud mul enam tahtmist sellele inimesele k\u00fcsimustele vastata ja temaga t\u00f6\u00f6tada. <br \/>\nPeab arvestama, et me k\u00f5ik oleme erinevad ja kandidaat v\u00f5ib ehmuda igast asjast, mis teie jaoks tundub ebaoluline. <br \/>\n \u2014 tavaliselt on senioritase spetsialistidel selgelt v\u00e4lja kirjutatud t\u00f6\u00f6steek, kuid ei, alustame kontseptsioonist, n\u00e4iteks teil on kirjutatud Ansible, suurep\u00e4rane, aga meil on Puppet, kutsusime teid lihtsalt niisama, r\u00e4\u00e4kige meile Puppetist. Suurep\u00e4rane! Kas olete t\u00f6\u00f6tanud OpenShiftiga? Meil on K8s, me ei tea erinevust, kuid teie kogemus ei ole relevantne. Suurep\u00e4rane! <\/p>\n<p>On veel \u00fcks alamklass \u2014 mina isiklikult v\u00f5tan endale praktikaajad arenevaid noori arendajaid.<br \/>\nTahaks, et k\u00f5ik m\u00f5istaksid, et praktikant on isik, kes pole veel \u00fcldse v\u00e4lja kujunenud. Mind \u00e4\u00e4rmiselt hirmutab, kui praktikante hakata sundima tugevate Juniorite tasemele ja seej\u00e4rel esitada rahuloleva n\u00e4oga praktikat (m\u00f5nikord tasustamata, \u00f5udne!).<br \/>\n\u00c4ra nii tee.<br \/>\nMinu arvates on praktikant kas vanema kursuse \u00fcli\u00f5pilane v\u00f5i keegi, kes v\u00e4ga tahab \"IT-sse minna\".<br \/>\n\u00dcli\u00f5pilastega on k\u00f5ik lihtne \u2014 saab suurep\u00e4raselt v\u00e4lja uurida, millega \u00fclikoolis tegeleb, mida on ise teinud, vaadata, millistel k\u00fcsimustel s\u00fcttivad silmad \u2014 kui s\u00fcttivad, k\u00fcsida, miks just DevOps ja mis \u00fcldse selle kohta tuntakse. Tunda inimest ja m\u00f5ista, kas on meeldiv temaga edasi toimetada, kas tahaks just seda inimest millegi \u00f5ppima \u00f5petada.<br \/>\nNeil, kes tahavad \"IT-sse minna\", on asi veidi rangem \u2014 vaadata, kui palju inimene \u00f5ppib iseseisvalt, mida on ta teinud enne, kui ta teieni kohtumiseks tuli, hea variant oleks vaadata GitHub'i, kui see eksisteerib, commitide tihedust ja milliseid harjutusi on sooritatud. K\u00fcsida ka, miks siiski DevOps, sest frontendis on l\u00f5busam ja huvitavam? <\/p>\n<p>Ja l\u00f5puks tahaksin anda veel kord n\u00f5u: m\u00e4\u00e4rake \u00e4ra, kes on teile tegelikult vajalik, ja te leiate kohe sobiva inimese. Selgitage vajadused, vaadake spetsialistile kui spetsialistile, leidke tema tugevad k\u00fcljed ja kasutage neid edukalt oma t\u00f6\u00f6s. 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