{"id":82838,"date":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","date_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka"},"modified":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","modified_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","slug":"uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/et\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","title":{"rendered":"Hoida lapsed meie sinistelt ekraanidelt eemal v\u00f5i miks ei tohiks osta Yandex.Staationi lapsele","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

Umbes kaks n\u00e4dalat tagasi p\u00f6\u00f6rdusin ma Yandexi klienditoe poole video filtreerimise osas laste re\u017eiimis.<\/p>\n

Ausalt \u00f6eldes on mul varemgi olnud soov p\u00f6\u00f6rduda laste jaoks sobimatu sisu teemal, kuid nagu see tihti juhtub \u2014 l\u00fckkasin seda edasi.<\/p>\n

Lisaks \u2014 see on ju Yandex! Ta teab paremini, mida sa soovisid leida.<\/p>\n

Kuid nagu selgus \u2014 ei teadnud ta paremini.<\/p>\n

\"Hoida
\n
\nPange t\u00e4hele lastere\u017eiimi ikooni \u00fclal paremas nurgas.
\n<\/a><\/noindex>
\nJust selle teate \u2014 roppused ja 18+ kohta n\u00e4gin ma, kui proovisin lasta oma lapsele m\u00e4ngu l\u00e4bimise video k\u00e4ima, olgu \u00f6eldud \u2014 m\u00e4ng on 6+.<\/p>\n

Loomulikult leidsin teisi variante, kuid ma j\u00e4in m\u00f5tlema.<\/p>\n

Natuke eellugu \u2014 miks ma otsustasin klienditeenindusele p\u00f6\u00f6rduda.<\/p>\n

Laps (7 aastat) pole arvutite ja vidinate v\u00f5\u00f5ras, kuid ta ka ei ole nende \u00fcle fanaatiline.<\/p>\n

Ta armastab joonistada ja tavaliselt p\u00fc\u00fcab, kasutades Alisat \u2014 vaadates ekraanile, kordata seda, mida \u00f5petatakse meisterklassides, kuulab muusikat, tantsib ja laulab. <\/p>\n

Seade t\u00f6\u00f6tab alati korralikult ning kui tekib k\u00fcsimusi, p\u00fc\u00fcab ta sageli ise arusaamatu v\u00e4lja selgitada. Muidugi selgitame ja r\u00e4\u00e4gime me alati, kuid laps tahab teada ka teisi seisukohti, mis on kokkuv\u00f5ttes \u00f5ige. Aga nagu selgus \u2013 mitte antud juhul.<\/p>\n

Lapsel peab olema isiklik aeg ja isiklik ruum ning suletud uks tund v\u00f5i kaks p\u00e4evas ei h\u00e4irinud mind \u00fcldse \u2013 vaatab multikaid, joonistab \u2013 mis selles halba v\u00f5iks olla?<\/p>\n

Kuni tema ei tulnud ja ei \u00f6elnud \"mul on hirmus\".<\/p>\n

Takkaj\u00e4rgi sattusin kuskile hirmutavatesse lugudesse, mida ka m\u00f5ned t\u00e4iskasvanud ei peaks vaatama. V\u00f5ib-olla ei saanud Alisa n\u00f5uet \u00f5igesti tabanud, v\u00f5ib-olla r\u00e4\u00e4kisid s\u00f5brannad midagi \u2013 ja tulemuseks on see.<\/p>\n

\"Hoida
\n
\nImeline video laste re\u017eiimis otse Yandexilt \u2013 tema videohostingust, eks?
\nVaadanud \"seda\" paar minutit, otsustasin kohe p\u00f6\u00f6rduda TP poole \u2013 sest selline asi laste re\u017eiimis on vastuv\u00f5etamatu ja lootes, et poisid \"lihtsalt reguleerivad filtreid\". Kuid artikkel ei oleks olemas, kui k\u00f5ik oleks nii lihtne.<\/p>\n

Tulen ette \u2013 et saaks ilma lugematute TP-kirjade lugemiseta hakkama.
\nL\u00fchidalt: filtreid pole. Me (Yandex) usume, et k\u00f5ik on korras.<\/p>\n

Laps n\u00e4eb k\u00f5ike, millele pole sunniviisiliselt (moderaatorite v\u00f5i videote \u00fcleslaadijate poolt) vanusepiirangut m\u00e4\u00e4ratud. YouTube'i ja Yandex'i puhul, kes edastavad peamise sisu jaama, t\u00e4hendab see, et praktiliselt iga video on juurdep\u00e4\u00e4setav, kuna nad laadivad \u00fcles igasuguseid videoid ilma piire seadmata. Uudistekanalid on k\u00f5ikidel hostimistel kergesti k\u00e4ttesaadavad (kuigi uudiste puhul oleks aeg seada 16+ piirang).<\/p>\n

K\u00fcsimise v\u00f5tmes\u00f5nade filtreerimist pole isegi.<\/p>\n

toimetuse vahetus TP-ga<\/b>
\n 2020-04-07 13:37:40, Ivan
\nP\u00f6\u00f6rdumise teema: Teine k\u00fcsimus
\nK\u00fcsimus seoses: Video filtreerimine laste re\u017eiimis
\nTere tulemast!
\nJaama seadetes on laste re\u017eiim sisse l\u00fclitatud, kuid filtreerimine toimub minu arusaamist m\u00f6\u00f6da ainult v\u00f5tmes\u00f5nade j\u00e4rgi.
\nTulemuseks on see, et ekraanil on sageli video, mis seitsmeaastasele lapsele on \u00fcheselt \u00ab\u0161okeeriv\u00bb. Sellist sisu leidub regulaarselt nii YouTube'is kui ka Yandex.Videos.
\nPalun \u00f6elge, kuidas saaksime selle probleemi lahendada.<\/p>\n

teisip\u00e4ev, 7. aprill 2020, 17:03 Yandex.Support
\nTere, Ivan!
\nEsmaltame, palun, et oled korralikult seadistanud filtrire\u017eiimi jaotises \"Yandex\" rakenduses: men\u00fc\u00fc (\u229e) -> \"Seadmed\" -> \"Konto\" -> \"Otsingure\u017eiim\".
\nKas k\u00f5ik on korrektne?
\nSel juhul, palun t\u00e4psustage, millisel ressursil videod esitavad?
\nKas saaksite palun tuua v\u00e4lja sellise video n\u00e4ite?
\nOotan teie vastust.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 14:44:36, Ivan
\nTere.
\nEsimene foto on katse k\u00e4ivitada \"Dr. House\" koduekraanilt (tagasil\u00fckkamine). See t\u00e4hendab, et laste re\u017eiim on aktiveeritud.
\nJa edasi \u2014 k\u00f5ik teiste p\u00e4ringud.
\n\u041e\u0442\u0434\u0435\u043b\u044c\u043d\u0430\u044f \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0441\u044c\u0431\u0430 \u2014 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u043a\u043e\u043c\u043c\u0435\u043d\u0442\u0438\u0440\u0443\u0439\u0442\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u0436\u0430\u043b\u0443\u0439\u0441\u0442\u0430, \u043f\u043e\u0447\u0435\u043c\u0443 \u0437\u0430\u043f\u0440\u043e\u0441 \u0432\u0438\u0434\u0435\u043e \u0441 \u043a\u043b\u044e\u0447\u0435\u0432\u044b\u043c \u0441\u043b\u043e\u0432\u043e\u043c ‘\u0443\u0431\u0438\u0439\u0441\u0442\u0432\u043e(\u0430)’ \u0432\u043e\u043e\u0431\u0449\u0435 \u043e\u0442\u0440\u0430\u0431\u0430\u0442\u044b\u0432\u0430\u0435\u0442 \u0432 \u0434\u0435\u0442\u0441\u043a\u043e\u043c \u0440\u0435\u0436\u0438\u043c\u0435.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u043f\u0440\u0438\u043b\u043e\u0436\u0438\u043b \u043f\u0430\u0447\u043a\u0443 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0433\u0440\u0430\u0444\u0438\u0439<\/p>\n

Teisip\u00e4ev, 7. aprill 2020, 18:32, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, t\u00e4nan teid kontrollimise ja piltide eest!
\nKuna me soovime p\u00f5hjalikumalt uurida, miks sellised p\u00e4ringud laste re\u017eiimis t\u00f6\u00f6tlevad, palun t\u00e4psustage, milliseid k\u00e4sklusi te Aloisele andsite.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 15:56:27, Ivan
\nfaili nimi \u2014 k\u00e4sk (v\u00f5i tulemus)
\n01_IMG_20200407_172234<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \"alisa, leia internetist video Ori ja pime metsa\"
\n02_IMG_20200407_172219<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 eelneva p\u00e4ringu tulemus
\n03_IMG_20200407_172158<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n04_IMG_20200407_172224<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n05_IMG_20200407_172105<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, l\u00fclita sisse Doktor House\u00bb
\n06_IMG_20200407_172533<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, leia internetist video prank \u0436\u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c\u00bb
\n07_IMG_20200407_172837<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, leia internetist video tapmisest\u00bb (p\u00e4ring)
\n08_IMG_20200407_172907<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, leia internetist video tapmisest\u00bb (tulemus)
\n09_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n10_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 2 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n11_IMG_20200407_172351<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlisa, leia internetist video momo\u00bb
\n12_IMG_20200407_172428<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n13_IMG_20200407_172944<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 foto teabe kohta jaamast
\njagasin \u00abp\u00e4ringute\u00bb alusel, failid nimetasin \u00fcmber mugavuse huvides ja lisasin need veel kord kirjale.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u043e\u0444\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0438\u043b \u0441\u0441\u044b\u043b\u043a\u0430\u043c\u0438 \u043d\u0430 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e<\/p>\n

teisip\u00e4ev, 7. aprill 2020, 20:33 Yandex.Support
\nIvan, ait\u00e4h, et nimetasite fotod \u00fcmber ja kirjutasite komandod ning tulemused.
\nEdastasin kogu teabe vastutavatele spetsialistidele. Meil l\u00e4heb aega, et v\u00e4lja selgitada, mis olukorda p\u00f5hjustas ja uurida, miks Alisa k\u00e4ske t\u00e4idab ja selliseid tulemusi n\u00e4itab.
\nNiipea, kui mul on uudiseid, v\u00f5tan teiega \u00fchendust!<\/p>\n

2020-04-12 15:24:41, Ivan
\nTere! Kas mu k\u00fcsimuse kohta on uudiseid?<\/p>\n

p\u00fchap\u00e4ev, 12. aprill 2020 kell 18:49, Yandex.Support
\nTere, Ivan!
\nKahjuks pole praegu mingeid uudiseid, meie spetsialistid t\u00f6\u00f6tavad teie k\u00fcsimuse kallal.
\nMa kindlasti kirjutan teile, kui mul on teavet!<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 17:3:17, Ivan
\nTere! Kahe n\u00e4dala eest esitasin k\u00fcsimuse funktsionaalsuse kohta, mida te v\u00e4idate, et see on p\u00f5hifunktsioon, st vaikimisi saadaval sisse l\u00fclitamiseks ja kasutamiseks.
\nLaste re\u017eiim on teil isegi reklaamis \u2014 hiljuti sain teilt reklaami, kus pealkirjas on suurelt kirjas \u201e0+\u201d, mis (nagu selgus) ei vasta t\u00f5ele.
\nSoovitud materjalid (h\u00e4\u00e4lk\u00e4sklused, ekraanipildid jne) olen edastanud.
\nPalun selgitage mulle \u2014 miks mu k\u00fcsimuse lahendamine nii kaua aega v\u00f5tab?<\/p>\n

esmasp\u00e4ev, 20. apr. 2020, 20:51 Yandex.Support
\nTere, Ivan!
\nAit\u00e4h, et teavitasite meid sellest olukorrast.
\nPraegu filtreerib see re\u017eiim sisu nii, et see ei luba n\u00e4idata v\u00e4givaldset v\u00f5i seksuaalset sisu.
\nOlen edastanud teie m\u00e4rkused spetsialistidele. T\u00f6\u00f6tame laste re\u017eiimi parandamise nimel.<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 18:6:47, Ivan
\nTeavitasin sellest olukorrast kaks n\u00e4dalat tagasi. Praegu k\u00fcsin, miks k\u00fcsimus nii kaua lahendatakse.<\/p>\n

esmasp\u00e4ev, 20. apr. 2020, 21:42 Yandex.Support
\nIvan, jah, teil on \u00f5igus.
\nOma s\u00f5numiga tahtsin juhtida t\u00e4helepanu, et teie arvamus on meile oluline. Kogu teave on juba edastatud vastutavatele spetsialistidele.
\nPraegu t\u00f6\u00f6tab lasere\u017eiim sellisel viisil, kuid oleme kirja pannud teie soovi t\u00e4iustada sisu filtreerimist selles re\u017eiimis.
\nKahjuks ei saa ma \u00f6elda, millal see rakendatakse, kuid me k\u00f5ik salvestame ja p\u00fc\u00fcame tulevikus ellu viia.<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 18:46:11, Ivan
\nSee on suurep\u00e4rane, kuid miks ma n\u00e4en praegu sildil 0+, kui see tegelikult ei t\u00f6\u00f6ta?<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 19:15:43, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, konsulteerin oma kolleegidega selle k\u00fcsimuse \u00fcle. Niipea kui saan vastuse, v\u00f5tan teiega \u00fchendust.
\nPalun oodake minu kirja.<\/p>\n

teisip\u00e4ev, 21. aprill 2020 kell 15:26, Yandex.Support
\nIlya, t\u00e4nan teid ootamise eest.
\nVideod n\u00e4idistest, mida te t\u00f5ite, peetakse praegu perere\u017eiimis lubatavaks.
\nPraegu t\u00f6\u00f6tame rangema filtreerimise nimel lasere\u017eiimis.
\n\/\/\u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0418\u043b\u044c\u044f \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

2020-04-21 12:52:12, Ivan
\nLubage k\u00fcsimus selgitada \u2014 kes peetakse lubatavaks 0+ re\u017eiimis n\u00e4idiste videode jaoks?
\nRangemaid piiranguid (kui praegu kehtestatud) ma ei leidnud \u2014 seega, reklaami p\u00f5hjal, on see ja 0+ re\u017eiim.
\nT\u0161ahk \u00f5igusaktis 436-FZ on selgelt kirjeldatud vanuseklassifikatsioone ja 0+ korral on roppus, v\u00e4givald ja hirmutavad stseenid rangelt keelatud.
\nOlen esimesest p\u00f6\u00f6rdumisest m\u00f6\u00f6dunud kaks n\u00e4dalat ja n\u00fc\u00fcd kirjutate te Yandexi nimel, et see on lubatud?
\nKui Yandex lubab endale seadusest \u00fcht-teist \u00fcle astuda, siis ma v\u00f5in endale lubada mitte paluda, vaid n\u00f5uda, et see k\u00fcsimus kohe lahendataks.
\nYandex-il on t\u00e4pselt \u00fcks p\u00e4ev minu kirja saatmisest lastere\u017eiimi parandamiseks antud n\u00e4idete p\u00f5hjal.
\nKui parandusi ei tule, siis j\u00e4rgneb minu poolt p\u00f6\u00f6rdumine ja artiklid Roskomnadzorisse, Sportloto, Pikabusse, Habrisse ja kanali REN TV juurde.
\nAit\u00e4h t\u00e4helepanu eest, aeg tiksub.<\/p>\n

teisip\u00e4ev, 21. aprill 2020, 17:49 Yandex.Support
\nIlya, ma m\u00f5istan teid. Kahjuks ei ole keerulise sisu filtreerimise protsessis nii l\u00fchikese aja jooksul muudatuste tegemine kindlasti v\u00f5imalik. Olen aga edastanud teie kirja vastutavatele isikutele. Kirjutan, kui on uudiseid!<\/p>\n

21. aprill 2020, 17:55, Ivan
\nH\u00e4rrad, teil oli kaks n\u00e4dalat.
\nP\u00e4rast mida te teatatasite mulle, et see sisu on lubatav. Kahjuks ei ole mina (ja f\u00f6deraalne seadus) teiega n\u00f5us.
\nOodata veel kaks n\u00e4dalat?) Ait\u00e4h, ma olen juba oodanud.
\nAeg, mille ma v\u00e4lja \u00fctlesin, s\u00f5ltub \u00fclej\u00e4\u00e4nud teist.
\n\/\/\u0434\u0443\u043c\u0430\u044e, \u0447\u0438\u0442\u0430\u044f \u044d\u0442\u0443 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c\u044e \u0432\u0430\u043c \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u043b\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442\u043d\u043e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0440\u0435\u0437\u0443\u043b\u044c\u0442\u0430\u0442\u0430 \u043d\u0435\u0442<\/p>\n

Ja ei, see ei ole kaebus. Kaevata v\u00f5ib isiklike probleemide \u00fcle, siinkohal v\u00f5ivad vaimse tervise probleemid tekkida igasugusel juhuslikul lapsel, kes oskab suhelda Yandexi jaamaga.<\/p>\n

Loodan, et probleemile t\u00e4helepanu juhtimine aitab Yandexi filtratsiooni paremaks muuta ja vanemad saavad ohtlikest m\u00e4nguasjadest teadlikuks.<\/p>\n

Ja jah, ma kindlasti kirjutan RKN-ile.<\/p>\n

UPD: Yandexi vastus kommentaarides<\/a><\/noindex>
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