{"id":82838,"date":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","date_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka"},"modified":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","modified_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","slug":"uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/et\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","title":{"rendered":"Viige teie lapsed meie siniste ekraanide eest \u00e4ra, v\u00f5i miks ei tohiks osta Yandex.Stati laste jaoks","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

Umbes kaks n\u00e4dalat tagasi p\u00f6\u00f6rdusin ma Yandexi tugiteenuse poole seoses videote filtreerimisega laste re\u017eiimis.<\/p>\n

Ausalt \u00f6eldes on mul varemgi olnud soov p\u00f6\u00f6rduda mitte sobiva sisuga laste poole, kuid nagu ikka \u2014 j\u00e4i see edasil\u00fckkamise varju.<\/p>\n

Lisaks \u2014 see on ju Yandex! Neil on parem arusaam, mida sa soovisid leida.<\/p>\n

Kuid selgus, et nad ei tea paremini.<\/p>\n

\"Viige
\n
\nP\u00f6\u00f6rake t\u00e4helepanu laste re\u017eiimi ikoonile \u00fclal paremal.
\n<\/a><\/noindex>
\nJust seda ekraanin\u00e4itust \u2014 roppuste ja 18+ teemal n\u00e4gin, kui proovisin lasta lapsel vaadata MSi ilusat m\u00e4ngu, muide \u2014 m\u00e4ng on 6+.<\/p>\n

Muidugi oli ka teisi v\u00e4ltimise v\u00f5imalusi, kuid kurb tunne j\u00e4i.<\/p>\n

Natuke taustainfot \u2014 miks ma \u00fcldse otsustasin tugiteenuse poole p\u00f6\u00f6rduda.<\/p>\n

Laps (7-aastane) ei ole arvutite ja seadmete suhtes v\u00f5\u00f5ras, kuid ei ole ka nende fanatik.<\/p>\n

Ta armastab joonistada ja tavaliselt, koos Alisaga \u2014 vaadates monitori, \u00fcritab ta korrata seda, mida \u00f5petatakse t\u00f6\u00f6tubades, kuulab muusikat, tantsib ja laulab. <\/p>\n

Ta k\u00e4itub alati tehnika suhtes \u00fcsna korrektselt ja kui tekib k\u00fcsimus, \u00fcritab ta sageli ise aru saada, mis on segane. Loomulikult selgitame ja r\u00e4\u00e4gime me alati, kuid lapsele on huvitav ka teine vaatenurk, mis on \u00fcldiselt \u00f5ige. Kuid selgub, et mitte antud juhul.<\/p>\n

Isiklik aeg ja isiklik ruum lapse jaoks peavad olema ning suletud uks tund aega v\u00f5i kaks p\u00e4evas ei seganud mind \u00fcldse \u2014 vaatab multikaid, joonistab \u2014 mis selles halba v\u00f5iks olla?<\/p>\n

Kuni ta ei tulnud minu juurde ja ei \u00f6elnud: \"Mul on hirm.\"<\/p>\n

Ta sattus kuskil hirmujuttude peale, mida isegi m\u00f5ned t\u00e4iskasvanud ei peaks vaatama. V\u00f5ib-olla ei tajunud Alisa p\u00e4ris \u00f5igesti p\u00e4ringut, v\u00f5ib-olla r\u00e4\u00e4kisid s\u00f5brannad midagi \u2014 ja tulemuseks oli see.<\/p>\n

\"Viige
\n
\nImeline video laste re\u017eiimis otse Yandexilt \u2014 nende videohostingust, eks?
\nVaadates \"seda\" paar minutit, otsustasin kohe p\u00f6\u00f6rduda tugiteenuse poole \u2014 sest selline jura laste re\u017eiimis on vastuv\u00f5etamatu ja lootes, et nad \"lihtsalt kohandavad filtreid\". Kuid artiklit ei oleks, kui k\u00f5ik oleks nii lihtne.<\/p>\n

Kiirelt ette \u2014 et te ei peaks lugema pikka kirjavahetust tugiteenusega.
\nKahes s\u00f5nas: filtreid ei ole. Me (Yandex) arvame, et k\u00f5ik on korras.<\/p>\n

Laps n\u00e4eb k\u00f5ike, millele ei ole sunniviisiliselt (moderaatorite v\u00f5i videote \u00fcleslaadijate poolt) kehtestatud vanusepiirangut. Youtube'i ja Yandexi jaoks, kes edastavad peamise sisu jaama, t\u00e4hendab see, et praktiliselt iga video on kergesti k\u00e4tte saadav, kuna \u00fcleslaadijad ei vaeva end piirangute seadmisel. Uudistekanalid on k\u00f5igis hostides kergesti ligip\u00e4\u00e4setavad (kuigi uudiste puhul oleks juba aeg seadistada 16+).<\/p>\n

Ei ole isegi filtratsiooni m\u00e4rks\u00f5nade j\u00e4rgi.<\/p>\n

kirjavahetus tugiteenusega<\/b>
\n 2020-04-07 13:37:40, Ivan
\nK\u00fcsimuse teema: Teine k\u00fcsimus
\nK\u00fcsimus: Video filtratsioon lapse re\u017eiimis
\nTere!
\nJaama seadetes on lapse re\u017eiim sisse l\u00fclitatud, kuid filtratsioon, nii nagu ma aru saan, toimub ainult m\u00e4rks\u00f5nade j\u00e4rgi.
\nTulemuseks on sageli ekraanil video, mis seitsmeaastase lapse jaoks on ilmselgelt 'r\u00fcnnak'. Sellist sisu satub regulaarselt nii YouTube'i kui ka Yandex.Videosse.
\nPalun \u00f6elge, kuidas saaksime selle probleemi lahendada.<\/p>\n

teisip\u00e4ev, 7. aprill 2020, 17:03 Yandex.Support
\nTere, Ivan!
\nEsiteks, palun veenduge, et olete seadistanud filtrire\u017eiimi vastavas rakenduse \"Yandex\" osas: men\u00fc\u00fc (\u229e) -> \"Seadmed\" -> \"Konto\" -> \"Otsingu re\u017eiim\".
\nKas see on korrektne?
\nSellisel juhul palun t\u00e4psustage, millisel ressursil videoid predigeeritakse?
\nKas te saaksite palun tuua n\u00e4ite sellisest videost?
\nOotan teie vastust.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 14:44:36, Ivan
\nTere.
\nEsimene foto \u2014 katse k\u00e4ivitada Dr. House'i koduekraanilt (keeldumine). See t\u00e4hendab, et lapse re\u017eiim on sisse l\u00fclitatud.
\nJa edasi \u2014 k\u00f5ik muud k\u00fcsimused.
\nEriline palve \u2014 kommenteerige palun, miks video p\u00e4ring, mille v\u00f5tmes\u00f5na on 'm\u00f5rv(a)', t\u00f6\u00f6tab laste re\u017eiimis.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u043f\u0440\u0438\u043b\u043e\u0436\u0438\u043b \u043f\u0430\u0447\u043a\u0443 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0433\u0440\u0430\u0444\u0438\u0439<\/p>\n

teisip\u00e4ev, 7. aprill 2020, 18:32, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, t\u00e4nan teid kontrollimise ja piltide eest!
\nKuna me saame p\u00f5hjalikumalt uurida, miks sellised p\u00e4ringud lapsere\u017eiimis t\u00f6\u00f6deldakse, palun t\u00e4psustage, milliseid k\u00e4sklusi te Alice'ile andsite.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 15:56:27, Ivan
\nfaili nimi \u2014 k\u00e4sklus (v\u00f5i tulemus)
\n01_IMG_20200407_172234<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 'Alice, leia internetist video Ori ja pime mets'
\n02_IMG_20200407_172219<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 eelneva p\u00e4ringu tulemus
\n03_IMG_20200407_172158<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n04_IMG_20200407_172224<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n05_IMG_20200407_172105<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 'Alice, k\u00e4ivita Dr. House'
\n06_IMG_20200407_172533<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 'Alice, leia internetist video prank r\u00fcnnak'
\n07_IMG_20200407_172837<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlysa, leia internetist v\u00e4lja video m\u00f5rvast\u00bb (p\u00e4ring)
\n08_IMG_20200407_172907<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlysa, leia internetist v\u00e4lja video m\u00f5rvast\u00bb (tulemus)
\n09_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelneva p\u00e4ringu kohta
\n10_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 2 eelmisest p\u00e4ringust
\n11_IMG_20200407_172351<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u00abAlysa, leia internetist v\u00e4lja video momo\u00bb
\n12_IMG_20200407_172428<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 eelmisest p\u00e4ringust
\n13_IMG_20200407_172944<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 foto teabe kohta jaamas
\njagasin \u00abp\u00e4ringute\u00bb j\u00e4rgi, failid nimetasin \u00fcmber mugavuse huvides ja lisasin uuesti kirja.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u043e\u0444\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0438\u043b \u0441\u0441\u044b\u043b\u043a\u0430\u043c\u0438 \u043d\u0430 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e<\/p>\n

K, 7. apr 2020, 20:33 Yandex.Support
\nIvan, ait\u00e4h, et nimetasite fotod \u00fcmber ja kirjeldasite k\u00e4ske ja tulemusi.
\nEdastasin kogu teabe vastutavatele spetsialistidele. Meil kulub veidi aega, et olukorra p\u00f5hjustega tutvuda ja uurida, miks Alysa k\u00e4ske t\u00f6\u00f6tleb ja selliseid tulemusi n\u00e4itab.
\nNiipea, kui mul on uudiseid, v\u00f5tan teiega \u00fchendust!<\/p>\n

2020-04-12 15:24:41, Ivan
\nTere! Kas mul on mingeid uudiseid oma k\u00fcsimuse kohta?<\/p>\n

P, 12. apr 2020, 18:49, Yandex.Support
\nTere, Ivan!
\nKahjuks pole veel uudiseid, meie spetsialistid t\u00f6\u00f6tavad teie k\u00fcsimuse kallal.
\nTeatan kindlasti teile, kui mul on teavet!<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 17:3:17, Ivan
\nTere! Kaks n\u00e4dalat tagasi k\u00fcsisin funktsiooni kohta, mida te v\u00e4idate olevat p\u00f5hiline, see t\u00e4hendab, et see on vaikimisi saadaval lubamiseks ja kasutamiseks.
\nLaste re\u017eiim on teil isegi reklaamis olemas \u2014 hiljuti sain teilt reklaami, kus pealkirjas suurte t\u00e4htedega kirjutatakse \u00ab0+\u00bb, mis (nagu selgus) ei vasta t\u00f5ele.
\nPalun selgitage mulle \u2014 miks minu k\u00fcsimus nii kaua lahendatakse?
\nP, 20. apr 2020, 20:51 Yandex.Support<\/p>\n

Ait\u00e4h, et teavitasite meid sellest olukorrast.
\nTere, Ivan!
\nPraegu filtreerib see re\u017eiim sisu selliselt, et ei luba kuvada \u00e4\u00e4rmuslikke videoid v\u00f5i seksuaalset sisu.
\nEdastasin teie m\u00e4rkused spetsialistidele. T\u00f6\u00f6tame laste re\u017eiimi parandamise nimel.
\n2020-04-20 18:6:47, Ivan<\/p>\n

Teavitasin sellest olukorrast kaks n\u00e4dalat tagasi. Praegu k\u00fcsin, miks k\u00fcsimus lahendatakse nii kaua.
\nP, 20. apr 2020, 21:42 Yandex.Support<\/p>\n

Ivan, jah, teil on \u00f5igus.
\nOma s\u00f5numiga tahtsin t\u00e4helepanu juhtida sellele, et meie jaoks on teie arvamus oluline. K\u00f5ik teave on juba edastatud vastutavatele spetsialistidele.
\nSaan aru, et teie pahameel on \u00f5igustatud ja vaatame olukorda t\u00f5siselt.
\nPraegu t\u00f6\u00f6tab laste re\u017eiim sellisel viisil, kuid oleme salvestanud teie soovi sisu filtreerimise t\u00e4iustamiseks selles re\u017eiimis.
\nKahjuks ei saa ma \u00f6elda, millal see rakendatakse, kuid me salvestame k\u00f5ik ja p\u00fc\u00fcame tulevikus ellu viia.<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 18:46:11, Ivan
\nSee on suurep\u00e4rane, kuid miks ma n\u00e4en praegu 0+ sildi all, kui see tegelikult ei t\u00f6\u00f6ta?<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 19:15:43, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, ma konsulteerin selle k\u00fcsimuse osas kolleegidega. Niipea, kui vastuse saan, v\u00f5tan teiega \u00fchendust.
\nPalun oodake minu kirja.<\/p>\n

Teisip\u00e4ev, 21. aprill 2020, kell 15:26, Yandex.Support
\nIlya, t\u00e4nan teid ootamise eest.
\nVideod, mida te t\u00f5ite n\u00e4idetena, loetakse praegu perere\u017eiimis lubatuks.
\nPraegu t\u00f6\u00f6tame rangemate filtrite kallal lastere\u017eiimi jaoks.
\n\/\/\u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0418\u043b\u044c\u044f \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

2020-04-21 12:52:12, Ivan
\nLubage mul t\u00e4psustada \u2014 kes peavad teie n\u00e4idatud videoid 0+ alla lubatuks?
\nMa ei leidnud rangemaid piiranguid (kui need, mis on praegu kehtestatud) \u2014 seega, reklaami kohaselt, on see meie 0+ re\u017eiim.
\nF\u00f6deraalses seaduses 436-FZ on selgelt v\u00e4lja toodud vanuseklassi m\u00e4\u00e4ratlused ning 0+ puhul on roppused, v\u00e4givalla ja \u00f5uduse n\u00e4itamine rangelt keelatud.
\nEsimesest p\u00f6\u00f6rdumisest peale on m\u00f6\u00f6dunud kaks n\u00e4dalat ja n\u00fc\u00fcd kirjutate te Yandexi nimel, et see on lubatud?
\nKuna Yandex lubab endale F\u00f6deraalse seaduse eiramist, v\u00f5in ma endale lubada mitte k\u00fcsida, vaid n\u00f5uda, et selle k\u00fcsimusega viivitamatult tegeleks.
\nYandexil on alates minu kirja saatmisest laste re\u017eiimi parandamise kohta t\u00e4pselt \u00fcks p\u00e4ev.
\nKui parandusi ei tule \u2014 j\u00e4rgneb minu poolne p\u00f6\u00f6rdumine ja artiklid Roskomnadzorisse, Sportloto, Pikabu, Habra ja telekanal RenTV.
\nAit\u00e4h t\u00e4helepanu eest, aeg tiksub.<\/p>\n

Teisip\u00e4ev, 21. aprill 2020, 17:49 Yandex.Support
\nIlya, ma m\u00f5istan teid. Kahjuks ei ole l\u00fchikese aja jooksul keerulise sisu filtreerimisprotsessi muudatusi kindlasti v\u00f5imalik teha. Kuid ma edastasin teie kirja vastutavatele isikutele. Kirjutan, kui on uudiseid!<\/p>\n

21. aprill 2020, 17:55, Ivan
\nH\u00e4rrased, teil oli kaks n\u00e4dalat.
\nP\u00e4rast seda teatasite, et see sisu on lubatud. Kahjuks ei ole ma (ega f\u00f6deraalne seadus) teiega n\u00f5us.
\nKas tuleb veel oodata kaks n\u00e4dalat?) Ait\u00e4h, olen juba oodanud.
\nAja olen v\u00e4lja \u00f6elnud, \u00fclej\u00e4\u00e4nud s\u00f5ltub teist.
\n\/\/\u0434\u0443\u043c\u0430\u044e, \u0447\u0438\u0442\u0430\u044f \u044d\u0442\u0443 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c\u044e \u0432\u0430\u043c \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u043b\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442\u043d\u043e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0440\u0435\u0437\u0443\u043b\u044c\u0442\u0430\u0442\u0430 \u043d\u0435\u0442<\/p>\n

Ja, see ei ole kaebus. Kaevata v\u00f5ib isiklike probleemide \u00fcle, aga siin v\u00f5ivad vaimse tervise probleemid tekkida igasuguste juhuslike laste puhul, kes oskavad r\u00e4\u00e4kida Yandexi jaama abil.<\/p>\n

Loodan, et probleemi valgustamine aitab Yandexi jaama filtreerimist paremaks muuta ning vanemad saavad teadlikud ohtlikest m\u00e4nguasjadest.<\/p>\n

Ja jah, ma kindlasti kirjutan RKN-ile.<\/p>\n

UPD: Yandexi vastus kommentaarides<\/a><\/noindex>
\n
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