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Playboy: Ke hana nei ʻoe i kahi pili nui ma ka Macintosh. 'Ōlelo lākou e pili ana ka hopena o Apple i kona kūleʻa a i ʻole. Ma hope o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻia ʻana o Lisa a me Apple III, ua hāʻule nui nā ʻāpana o Apple, a aia nā lono e ola ʻole paha ʻo Apple.
Nā hana: ʻAe, ua pilikia mākou. Ua ʻike mākou pono mākou e hana i kahi hana mana me ka Macintosh a i ʻole kā mākou mau moeʻuhane no nā huahana a i ʻole ka hui ponoʻī ʻaʻole e hoʻokō ʻia.
Playboy: Pehea kou pilikia? Ke kū nei ʻo Apple i ka panakalupa?
Nā hana: ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole a ʻaʻole. ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo 1983, i ka wā i hana ʻia ai kēia mau wānana āpau, ua lilo ia i makahiki kūleʻa nui no Apple. I ka makahiki 1983, ua pāpālua mākou i ka loaʻa kālā mai $583 miliona a i $980 miliona. Aneane pau nā kūʻai aku no ka Apple II, a makemake mākou i nā mea hou aku. Inā ʻaʻole i kaulana ka Macintosh, aia mākou i ka piliona o ka makahiki e kūʻai aku ana i ka Apple II a me kāna mau ʻano like ʻole.
Playboy: A laila he aha ke kumu o ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i kou hāʻule ʻana?
Nā hana: Ua piʻi aʻe ʻo IBM a hoʻomaka e hopu i ka hana. Ua hoʻomaka nā mea hoʻomohala polokalamu e hoʻololi iā IBM. Ke kamaʻilio nui nei nā mea kūʻai aku e pili ana iā IBM. Ua maopopo iā mākou e hoʻopau ka Macintosh i nā mea āpau a hoʻololi i ka ʻoihana holoʻokoʻa. ʻO kāna misionari kēia. Inā ʻaʻole i kūleʻa ka Macintosh, ua haʻalele wau no ka mea ua kuhihewa loa wau i koʻu ʻike ʻana i ka ʻoihana.
Playboy: ʻEhā mau makahiki i hala aku nei, ua manaʻo ʻia ka Apple III i hoʻomaikaʻi ʻia, i hoʻokani ʻia o ka Apple II, akā ua hāʻule. Ua hoʻomanaʻo ʻoe i ka 14 tausani kamepiula mua mai ke kūʻai aku, a ʻaʻole i kūleʻa ka mana hoʻoponopono. ʻEhia ka nui o kāu nalowale ma ka Apple III?
Nā hana: He mea kupanaha, he nui loa. Manaʻo wau inā ʻoi aku ka lanakila o ka Apple III, ʻoi aku ka paʻakikī o IBM e komo i ka mākeke. Akā ʻo ia ke ola. Manaʻo wau ua ʻoi aku ka ikaika o kēia ʻike iā mākou.
Playboy: Eia naʻe, ʻo Lisa kekahi i hāʻule ʻole. Ua hewa kekahi mea?
Nā hana: ʻO ka mea mua, ʻoi aku ka pipiʻi o ke kamepiula a he ʻumi tausani ke kumu kūʻai. Ua hele hewa mākou mai ko mākou aʻa, poina mākou e kūʻai aku i nā huahana i nā kānaka, a hilinaʻi i nā hui nui Fortune 500. Aia kekahi mau pilikia ʻē aʻe - ua lōʻihi ka lawe ʻana, ʻaʻole hana ka polokalamu i ke ala a mākou i makemake ai, no laila ua nalowale mākou i ka manawa. ʻO ka holomua o IBM, me kā mākou lohi ʻeono mahina, me ke kumukūʻai kiʻekiʻe loa, a me kahi kuhi hewa ʻē aʻe - ʻo ka hoʻoholo e kūʻai aku iā Lisa ma o ka helu palena o nā mea hoʻolako. He 150 a ʻoi aku paha o lākou - he mea naʻaupō loa kēia ma kā mākou ʻaoʻao, ʻo ia ke kumu kūʻai nui iā mākou. Ua hoʻolimalima mākou i nā poʻe i manaʻo ʻia he poʻe loea kālepa a hoʻokele. Me he mea lā he manaʻo maikaʻi ia, akā he ʻōpiopio loa kā mākou ʻoihana a ua lilo nā manaʻo o kēia mau ʻoihana i mea kahiko a keʻakeʻa i ka holomua o ka papahana.
Playboy: ʻO kēia nele anei ka hilinaʻi ma kāu ʻaoʻao? "Ua hiki mākou i kēia mamao a ua koʻikoʻi nā mea. Pono mākou i nā hoʻoikaika. "
Nā hana: Mai poina, he 23-25 mau makahiki. ʻAʻohe o mākou ʻike like, no laila ua kūpono ka manaʻo.
Playboy: ʻO ka hapa nui o nā hoʻoholo, maikaʻi a maikaʻi ʻole paha, iā ʻoe?
Nā hana: Ua ho'āʻo mākou e hōʻoia ʻaʻole i hoʻoholo ʻia e ka mea hoʻokahi wale nō. I kēlā manawa, mālama ʻia ka hui e ʻekolu poʻe: ʻo Mike Scott, ʻo Mike Markkula a me aʻu iho. I kēia lā, ʻelua mau kānaka ma ke alakaʻi - ʻo Apple Pelekikena John Sculley a me aʻu. I ko mākou hoʻomaka ʻana, kūkākūkā pinepine au me nā hoa hana ʻoi aku ka ʻike. E like me ke kānāwai, huli lākou i ka pololei. Ma kekahi mau mea koʻikoʻi, pono wau e hana i koʻu ala, a ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ka hui.
Playboy: Ua makemake ʻoe e holo i ka māhele Lisa. ʻO Markkula lāua ʻo Scott (ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo kou mau luna, ʻoiai ua komo ʻoe i kā lākou koho) ʻaʻole i manaʻo ʻoe he kūpono ʻoe, ʻeā?
Nā hana: Ma hope o ka wehewehe ʻana i nā manaʻo kumu, ke koho ʻana i nā mea pāʻani koʻikoʻi a me ka hoʻolālā ʻana i nā kuhikuhi ʻenehana, ua hoʻoholo ʻo Scotty ʻaʻole lawa kaʻu ʻike no ia papahana. Ua ʻeha wau - ʻaʻohe ala ʻē aʻe e kau ai.
Playboy: Ua manaʻo paha ʻoe e nalowale ana ʻo Apple?
Nā hana: Mahele. Akā ʻo ka mea ʻino loa, ua kono ʻia nā poʻe he nui i ka papahana ʻo Lisa ʻaʻole i kaʻana like i kā mākou ʻike mua. He paio koʻikoʻi i loko o ka hui Lisa ma waena o ka poʻe i makemake e kūkulu i kahi mea e like me ka Macintosh, a me ka poʻe i hele mai mai Hewlett-Packard a me nā hui ʻē aʻe a lawe mai i nā manaʻo mai laila mai me nā mīkini nui a me nā kūʻai ʻoihana. Ua hoʻoholo wau e hoʻomohala i ka Macintosh, pono wau e lawe i kahi hui liʻiliʻi o nā poʻe a haʻalele - e hoʻi i ka hale kaʻa. ʻAʻole mākou i manaʻo nui i kēlā manawa. Manaʻo wau ua makemake wale ʻo Scotty e hōʻoluʻolu iaʻu a i ʻole e hoʻomaʻamaʻa iaʻu.
Playboy: Akā, ua hoʻokumu ʻoe i kēia hui. Ua huhū ʻoe?
Nā hana: He mea hiki ole ke huhu i kau keiki ponoi.
Playboy: ʻOiai inā hoʻouna kēia keiki iā ʻoe i Gehena?
Nā hana: ʻAʻole au i huhū. ʻO ke kaumaha nui a me ka huhū wale nō. Akā ua loaʻa iaʻu nā limahana maikaʻi loa o Apple - inā ʻaʻole i hana ʻia kēia, inā ua pilikia ka hui. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻo ia ka poʻe kuleana no ka hana ʻana i ka Macintosh. [hoʻokuʻu ʻia] E nānā wale i ka Mac.
Playboy: ʻAʻohe manaʻo lokahi i kēia manawa. Ua hoʻolauna ʻia ka Mac me ka like me ka Lisa, akā ʻaʻole i hoʻomaka ka papahana mua.
Nā hana: He oiaio keia. Nui ko mākou manaʻolana no Lisa, ʻaʻole i hoʻokō ʻia. ʻO ka mea paʻakikī loa, ua ʻike mākou e hele mai ana ka Macintosh, a ua hoʻoponopono ʻo ia i nā pilikia āpau me ka Lisa. ʻO kāna hoʻomohala ʻana he hoʻi i ke kumu - ke kūʻai hou aku nei mākou i nā kamepiula i nā kānaka, ʻaʻole nā hui. Lawe mākou i ka pana a hana i kahi kamepiula ʻoluʻolu loa, ka mea maikaʻi loa ma ka mōʻaukala.
Playboy: Pono ʻoe e pupule e hana i nā mea ʻoluʻolu?
Nā hana: ʻO ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo ka mea nui i ka hana ʻana i kahi huahana maikaʻi ʻole ke kaʻina hana ponoʻī, ke aʻo ʻana i nā mea hou, ka ʻae ʻana i nā mea hou a me ka haʻalele ʻana i nā manaʻo kahiko. Akā ʻae, ua pā iki nā mea hana Mac.
Playboy: He aha ka mea e hoʻokaʻawale ai i ka poʻe i loaʻa nā manaʻo ʻoluʻolu pupule mai nā mea hiki ke hoʻokō?
Nā hana: E lawe kākou iā IBM i laʻana. Pehea i hoʻokuʻu ai ka hui Mac i ka Mac a ua hoʻokuʻu ʻo IBM i ka PCjr? Manaʻo mākou e kūʻai maikaʻi loa ka Mac, akā ʻaʻole mākou i kūkulu ia no kekahi. Ua hana mākou no mākou iho. Ua makemake wau a me koʻu hui e hoʻoholo no mākou iho inā he maikaʻi ʻo ia a ʻaʻole paha. ʻAʻole mākou i hoʻomaka e hana i ka nānā ʻana i ka mākeke. Ua makemake wale mākou e hana i ka lolouila maikaʻi loa. E noʻonoʻo ʻoe he kamanā e hana ana i kahi keʻena nani. ʻAʻole ʻoe e hana i ka pā hope mai loko mai o ka lāʻau paʻa liʻiliʻi, ʻoiai e kau ana ia ma ka paia a ʻaʻohe mea e ʻike. E ʻike ʻoe i ka mea i laila a hoʻohana i ka lāʻau maikaʻi loa. Pono nā aesthetics a me ka maikaʻi ma ka pae kiʻekiʻe loa, inā ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hiamoe i ka pō.
Playboy: Ke ʻōlelo nei ʻoe ʻaʻole haʻaheo ka poʻe hana PCjr i kā lākou hana ʻana?
Nā hana: Ina pela, aole lakou i hookuu iaia. Ua maopopo iaʻu ua hoʻolālā lākou ia mea ma muli o ka noiʻi ʻana i kahi māhele mākeke kūikawā no kahi ʻano mea kūʻai aku a manaʻo ʻia kēlā mau mea kūʻai aku e holo i ka hale kūʻai a hoʻolilo iā lākou i ke kālā. He kumu hoʻoikaika ʻokoʻa loa kēia. Ua makemake ka hui Mac e hana i ka lolouila nui loa ma ka mōʻaukala kanaka.
Playboy: No ke aha i hana nui ai ka poʻe ʻōpio ma ke kahua kamepiula? ʻO ka makahiki maʻamau o kahi limahana Apple he 29 mau makahiki.
Nā hana: Pili kēia ʻano i nā wahi hou, kipi. I ka wā e ulu ana nā kānaka, lilo lākou i ossified. Ua like ko mākou lolo me kahi kamepiula electrochemical. Hoʻokumu kou mau manaʻo i nā hiʻohiʻona e like me ka scaffolding. Paʻa ka hapa nui o ka poʻe i nā hiʻohiʻona maʻamau a hoʻomau i ka neʻe ʻana ma o lākou wale nō, e like me ka nila o kahi mea pāʻani e neʻe nei ma nā ʻāpana o kahi mooolelo. He kakaikahi ka poe hiki ke haalele i ko lakou ano maa mau o ka nana ana i na mea a kahaki i na ala hou. Kakaʻikahi ka ʻike ʻana i kahi mea pena kiʻi ma luna o kanakolu a kanahā paha makahiki e hana ana i nā hana kupanaha maoli. ʻOiaʻiʻo, aia kekahi poʻe nona ka ʻike maoli e hiki ai iā lākou ke noho mau keiki no ka wā pau ʻole, akā kakaikahi kēia.
Playboy: E mahalo ko makou poe heluhelu he kanaha makahiki i kau mau olelo. E neʻe kāua i kahi pilikia ʻē aʻe i ʻōlelo pinepine ʻia e pili ana me Apple - kahi hui, ʻaʻole kamepiula. Hāʻawi ʻo ia iā ʻoe i kēlā manaʻo mesianic like, pololei?
Nā hana: Manaʻo wau ke hoʻololi nei mākou i ke kaiāulu ʻaʻole wale me ke kōkua o nā kamepiula. Manaʻo wau ua hiki iā Apple ke lilo i hui Fortune 500 ma ka hopena o ke kanawalu a i ʻole ka nineties mua. He ʻumi a he ʻumikūmālima mau makahiki i hala aku nei, i ka wā e hōʻuluʻulu ai i kahi papa inoa o nā ʻelima mau ʻoihana maikaʻi loa ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, ʻo ka hapa nui e komo pū me Polaroid a me Xerox. Aia i hea lākou i kēia lā? Ua aha lākou? I ka lilo ʻana o nā hui i mau piliona kālā he nui, nalowale lākou i kā lākou ʻike ponoʻī. Hoʻomaka lākou e hana i nā loulou ma waena o nā mana a me nā mea hana maoli. Pau lākou i ka makemake no kā lākou huahana. Pono nā mea hana maoli, ka poʻe mālama, e lanakila i ʻelima papa o nā mana e hana i ka mea a lākou e manaʻo ai he pono.
ʻAʻole hiki i ka hapa nui o nā ʻoihana ke hoʻopaʻa i nā poʻe akamai i loko o kahi kaiapuni kahi e hoʻonāwaliwali ʻia ai ka holomua o kēlā me kēia kanaka. Haʻalele kēia mau loea, akā mau ka hina. ʻIke wau i kēia no ka mea ua kūkulu ʻia ʻo Apple ma ia ala. Ua ʻae mākou, e like me Ellis Island, i nā mea mahuka mai nā hui ʻē aʻe. Ma nā ʻoihana ʻē aʻe, ua manaʻo ʻia kēia mau ʻano pilikino he poʻe kipi a me nā mea hoʻopilikia.
ʻIke ʻoe, he kipi nō ʻo Kauka Edwin Land. Ua haʻalele ʻo ia iā Harvard a hoʻokumu i Polaroid. ʻAʻole ʻo ka ʻāina ʻo ia kekahi o nā mea hoʻomohala maikaʻi loa o ko mākou manawa-ua ʻike ʻo ia i kahi i hui ai ke akamai, ka ʻepekema, a me ka ʻoihana, a hoʻokumu i kahi hui e hōʻike i kēlā kuʻina. Ua lanakila ʻo Polaroid no kekahi manawa, akā ua noi ʻia ʻo Kauka Land, kekahi o nā kipi nui, e haʻalele i kāna hui ponoʻī - kekahi o nā hoʻoholo naʻaupō loa aʻu i hana ai. A laila ua lawe ʻo Land 75 makahiki i ka ʻepekema maoli - a hiki i ka hopena o kona ola ua hoʻāʻo ʻo ia e hoʻoponopono i ka nane o ka hihiʻo kala. ʻO kēia kanaka ko mākou waiwai aupuni. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu ke kumu i hoʻohana ʻole ʻia ai nā poʻe e like me kēia i mau hiʻohiʻona. ʻOi aku ka maʻalili o ia poʻe ma mua o nā hōkū a me nā hōkū pôpeku; ʻaʻohe mea ʻoi aku ka maʻalili ma mua o lākou.
Ma keʻano laulā, ʻo kekahi o nā hana nui a John Sculley a me aʻu e hoʻokolokolo ai i loko o ʻelima a ʻumi mau makahiki ʻo ia ka hoʻohuli ʻana iā Apple i ʻoihana nui me ka loaʻa ʻana o ka ʻumi a i ʻole iwakālua biliona kālā. E mau ana anei ka manao o keia la? Ke ʻimi nei mākou i ka ʻāina hou no mākou iho. ʻAʻohe mau hiʻohiʻona ʻē aʻe e hilinaʻi ai - ʻaʻole ma ke ʻano o ka ulu ʻana, ʻaʻole hoʻi i ke ʻano o ka hou o nā hoʻoholo hoʻokele. No laila pono mākou e hele i ko mākou ala ponoʻī.
Playboy: Inā ʻokoʻa maoli ʻo Apple, no ke aha e pono ai kēia piʻi he iwakālua? No ke aha e noho ʻole ai i ʻoihana liʻiliʻi?
Nā hana: Ua hoʻonohonoho ʻia kā mākou ʻoihana ma ke ʻano i mea e noho ai i hoʻokahi o nā mea pāʻani nui, pono mākou e lilo i ʻoihana ʻumi-biliona-dala. Pono ka ulu e hoʻomau i ka hoʻokūkū. ʻO kēia ka mea e hopohopo nei iā mākou; ʻaʻole pili ka pae kālā ponoʻī.
Hana nā limahana Apple i nā hola 18 i ka lā. Hōʻiliʻili mākou i nā poʻe kūikawā - ka poʻe makemake ʻole e kali i ʻelima a ʻumi paha makahiki no kekahi e lawe i ka pilikia no lākou. ʻO ka poʻe makemake maoli e hoʻokō i nā mea hou aʻe a waiho i kahi hōʻailona ma ka mōʻaukala. ʻIke mākou ke hana nei mākou i kahi mea nui a kūikawā. Aia mākou i ka hoʻomaka o ka huakaʻi a hiki iā mākou ke hoʻoholo i ke ala iā mākou iho. Manaʻo kēlā me kēia o mākou ke hoʻololi nei mākou i ka wā e hiki mai ana i kēia manawa. ʻO nā kānaka ka nui o nā mea kūʻai. ʻAʻole ʻoe a me aʻu e hana i kā mākou lole ponoʻī, ʻaʻole mākou e ulu i kā mākou meaʻai ponoʻī, ʻōlelo mākou i ka ʻōlelo i haku ʻia e kekahi a hoʻohana i ka makemakika i haku ʻia ma mua o mākou. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke hāʻawi i ka honua i kekahi mea no mākou iho. I kēia manawa ua loaʻa iā mākou kahi manawa kūpono. ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole mākou ʻike i kahi e lawe ai iā mākou - akā ʻike mākou he ʻāpana mākou o kahi mea ʻoi aku ma mua o mākou.
Playboy: Ua ʻōlelo ʻoe he mea nui iā ʻoe ke hopu i ka mākeke ʻoihana me ka Macintosh. Hiki iā ʻoe ke lanakila iā IBM ma kēia kahua?
Nā hana: ʻAe. Ua māhele ʻia kēia mākeke i kekahi mau ʻāpana. Makemake au e noʻonoʻo ʻaʻole ʻo Fortune 500 wale nō, akā ʻo Fortune 5000000 a i ʻole Fortune 14000000. Aia he 14 miliona mau ʻoihana liʻiliʻi ma ko mākou ʻāina. Me he mea lā iaʻu he nui nā limahana o nā ʻoihana liʻiliʻi a me nā ʻoihana liʻiliʻi e pono i nā kamepiula hana. E hāʻawi mākou iā lākou i nā hopena kūpono i ka makahiki aʻe, 1985.
Playboy: He aha ke ʻano?
Nā hana: ʻO kā mākou ala e nānā ʻaʻole i nā ʻoihana, akā i nā hui. Makemake mākou e hoʻololi qualitative i kā lākou kaʻina hana. ʻAʻole lawa iā mākou ke kōkua iā lākou me ka hoʻonohonoho o nā huaʻōlelo a i ʻole ka wikiwiki i ka hoʻohui ʻana i nā helu. Makemake mākou e hoʻololi i ke ʻano o kā lākou launa pū ʻana me kekahi. Hoʻopili ʻia nā memo ʻelima ʻaoʻao i hoʻokahi no ka mea hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻohana i ke kiʻi e hōʻike i ka manaʻo nui. Liʻiliʻi pepa, ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ke kamaʻilio. A ʻoi aku ka leʻaleʻa ma kēia ʻano. No kekahi kumu, aia mau ka stereotype a hiki i ka poʻe hauʻoli a hoihoi loa i ka hana e lilo i robots paʻa. He oiaio ole keia. Inā hiki iā mākou ke hoʻokomo i kēia ʻuhane kūʻokoʻa i loko o ke ao koʻikoʻi o ka ʻoihana, he hāʻawi waiwai ia. He paʻakikī ke noʻonoʻo i ka lōʻihi e hele ai nā mea.
Playboy: Akā ma ka māhele ʻoihana, ʻo ka inoa ʻo IBM ponoʻī e kūʻē iā ʻoe. Hoʻopili nā kānaka iā IBM me ka maikaʻi a me ke kūpaʻa. ʻO kekahi mea pāʻani kamepiula hou, ʻo AT&T, he huhū pū kekahi iā ʻoe. He hui ʻōpio ʻo Apple i ʻike ʻole ʻia i nā mea kūʻai aku a me nā hui nui.
Nā hana: E kōkua ʻo Macintosh iā mākou e komo i ka ʻāpana ʻoihana. Hana ʻo IBM me nā ʻoihana mai luna a lalo. No ka holomua, pono mākou e hana i hope, e hoʻomaka i lalo. E wehewehe au i ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka laʻana o ka waiho ʻana i nā pūnaewele - ʻaʻole pono mākou e hoʻopili i nā hui holoʻokoʻa i ka manawa hoʻokahi, e like me ka IBM, akā e noʻonoʻo i nā hui liʻiliʻi.
Playboy: Ua'ōlelo kekahi mea akamai no ka holomua o kaʻoihana a no ka pono o ka mea hoʻohana hope, pono e loaʻa kahi kūlana hoʻokahi.
Nā hana: He oiaio ole keia. ʻO ka ʻōlelo ʻana he pono hoʻokahi maʻamau i kēia lā, ua like ia me ka ʻōlelo ʻana i ka makahiki 1920 e pono ai hoʻokahi ʻano kaʻa. I kēia hihia, ʻaʻole mākou e ʻike i kahi hoʻoili maʻalahi, hoʻokele mana a me ka hoʻokuʻu kūʻokoʻa. ʻO ka ʻenehana manuahi ka mea hope loa āu e hana ai. ʻO Macintosh kahi hoʻololi i ka honua o nā kamepiula. ʻAʻohe kānalua ʻoi aku ka ʻenehana Macintosh ma mua o ka ʻenehana IBM. Pono ʻo IBM i kahi ʻokoʻa.
Playboy: ʻAʻole anei kāu hoʻoholo e hana i ka lolouila i kūpono me IBM e pili ana i ka hōʻole ʻana i ka mea hoʻokūkū? Manaʻo kekahi mea hoʻohewa ʻo ke kumu wale nō kou makemake - manaʻo ʻia e hoʻouna ʻo Steve Jobs iā IBM i Gehena.
Nā hana: ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole mākou i hoʻāʻo e hōʻoia i ko mākou ʻano kāne me ke kōkua o ke kanaka.
Playboy: A laila he aha ke kumu?
Nā hana: ʻO ka manaʻo nui ʻo ia ka maikaʻi o ka ʻenehana a mākou i kūkulu ai. ʻAʻole maikaʻi ia inā pili ʻo IBM. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻaʻole mākou makemake e hoʻokau ʻo IBM i kā mākou ʻoihana, ʻoiaʻiʻo. Me he mea lā he pupule maʻemaʻe ka hana ʻana i kahi kamepiula me IBM. Ua lawe kā mākou hui i kēia hana no nā kumu nui ʻelua. ʻO ka mea mua - a me he mea lā e hōʻoiaʻiʻo ana ke ola he pololei mākou - ʻoi aku ka maʻalahi o ka IBM e "uhi" a luku i nā hui e hana ana i nā kamepiula kūpono.
ʻO ka lua a me ka mea nui loa, ʻo kā mākou hui e alakaʻi ʻia e kahi ʻike kūikawā o ka huahana āna e hana ai. Ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei mākou ʻo ka lolouila ka mea hoʻohana maikaʻi loa i hana ʻia e ke kanaka, a he mea hoʻohana pono nā kānaka. ʻO ia hoʻi, ma ka hāʻawi ʻana i nā kamepiula i nā poʻe he nui, e hana mākou i nā loli qualitative i ka honua. Ma Apple, makemake mākou e hoʻolilo i ke kamepiula i mea hana hale maʻamau a hoʻolauna iā ia i nā ʻumi miliona o ka poʻe. ʻO ia kā mākou makemake. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke hoʻokō i kēia pahuhopu me ka ʻenehana IBM, ʻo ia hoʻi, pono mākou e hana i kā mākou mea ponoʻī. Penei ka hanau ana o ka Macintosh.
Playboy: Ma waena o 1981 a me 1983, ua hāʻule kāu māhele o ka mākeke kamepiula pilikino mai ka 29 pakeneka i ka 23 pakeneka. Ua piʻi ka māhele o IBM mai ka 3 pakeneka a hiki i ka 29 pakeneka ma ka manawa like. Pehea ʻoe e pane ai i nā helu?
Nā hana: ʻAʻole i pilikia nā helu iā mākou. Hoʻopili ʻo Apple i nā huahana no ka mea ʻo ka huahana ka mea nui loa. Hoʻoikaika ʻo IBM i ka lawelawe, kākoʻo, palekana, nā papa nui a kokoke i ka mālama makuahine. ʻEkolu makahiki i hala aku nei, ua ʻike ʻo Apple ʻaʻole hiki ke hāʻawi i ka makuahine i kēlā me kēia ʻumi miliona kamepiula i kūʻai ʻia i loko o hoʻokahi makahiki-ʻoiai ʻaʻole i loaʻa iā IBM nā makuahine he nui. 'O ia ho'i, pono ke kūkulu 'ia ka makuahine i loko o ke kamepiula pono'ī. ʻO ia kahi ʻāpana nui o ke ʻano o ka Macintosh.
Hele mai nā mea a pau iā Apple versus IBM. Inā no kekahi kumu e hana hewa mākou a lanakila ʻo IBM, a laila maopopo iaʻu ʻo nā makahiki he 20 e hiki mai ana ʻo nā makahiki pōʻeleʻele no nā kamepiula. Ke hopu ʻo IBM i kahi māhele mākeke, pau ka hana hou. Ke pale nei ʻo IBM i ka hana hou.
Playboy: No ke aha mai?
Nā hana: E noʻonoʻo kākou i kahi hui hoihoi e like me Frito-Lay. ʻOi aku ma mua o ʻelima haneli tausani kauoha i kēlā me kēia pule. Aia kahi pā Frito-Lay i kēlā me kēia hale kūʻai, a ma nā hale nui he nui. ʻO ka pilikia nui o Frito-Lay, ʻo ia ka nalo ʻana o nā waiwai, ma ka ʻōlelo ʻana, nā ʻāpana ʻono ʻole. He ʻumi kaukani poʻe limahana lākou e holo nei a hoʻololi i nā ʻāpana ʻino me nā mea maikaʻi. Kūkākūkā lākou me nā luna a hoʻopaʻa pono i nā mea a pau. ʻO ia lawelawe a me ke kākoʻo e hāʻawi iā lākou i ka 80% mahele i kēlā me kēia māhele o ka mākeke chips. ʻAʻole hiki i kekahi ke pale aku iā lākou. Ke hoʻomau nei lākou i ka hana maikaʻi, ʻaʻohe mea nāna e lawe aku i ka 80 pakeneka o ka mākeke mai iā lākou - ʻaʻole lawa ka poʻe kūʻai a me nā mea loea. ʻAʻole hiki iā lākou ke hoʻolimalima iā lākou no ka mea ʻaʻohe o lākou kālā e hana ai. ʻAʻohe o lākou kālā no ka mea ʻaʻohe 80 pakeneka o ka mākeke. ʻO ia ka hopu-22. ʻAʻole hiki i kekahi ke hoʻoluliluli i kēlā pilikua.
ʻAʻole pono ʻo Frito-Lay i nā mea hou. Nānā wale ʻo ia i nā huahana hou o nā mea hana chip liʻiliʻi, aʻo i kēia mau huahana hou no hoʻokahi makahiki, a ma hope o kekahi makahiki a ʻelua paha e hoʻokuʻu i kahi huahana like, hāʻawi iā ia me ke kākoʻo kūpono, a loaʻa iā ia ka 80 pakeneka o ka mākeke hou.
Ke hana like nei ʻo IBM. E nānā i ka ʻāpana kumu nui - mai ka hoʻomaka ʻana o IBM e hoʻomalu i ka ʻāpana he 15 mau makahiki i hala, ua pau ka hana hou. E hana ʻia ka mea like ma nā ʻāpana ʻē aʻe o ka mākeke kamepiula inā ʻae ʻia ʻo IBM e kau lima ma luna o lākou. ʻAʻole i lawe mai ka IBM PC i hoʻokahi kulu o ka ʻenehana hou i ka ʻoihana. He Apple II i hoʻopili hou ʻia a hoʻololi iki ʻia, a makemake lākou e lawe i ka mākeke holoʻokoʻa me ia. Makemake maoli lākou i ka mākeke holoʻokoʻa.
Inā makemake mākou a ʻaʻole paha, pili ka mākeke ma nā hui ʻelua wale nō. ʻAʻole wau makemake, akā pili ia iā Apple a me IBM.
Playboy: Pehea ʻoe e maopopo ai ke loli koke ka ʻoihana? I kēia manawa aia ka Macintosh ma nā lehelehe o kēlā me kēia kanaka, akā he aha ka mea e hiki mai ana i ʻelua makahiki? ʻAʻole anei kēia i kū'ē i kou manaʻo? Ke hoʻāʻo nei ʻoe e lawe i kahi o IBM, ʻaʻole anei he mau hui liʻiliʻi e makemake ana e lawe i kahi o Apple?
Nā hana: Inā mākou e kamaʻilio pololei e pili ana i nā kūʻai kamepiula, aia nā mea āpau i ka lima o Apple a me IBM. Manaʻo wau ʻaʻole e koi kekahi i ke kolu, ʻehā, ʻeono a ʻehiku paha. ʻO ka hapa nui o nā ʻoihana ʻōpio, nā ʻoihana hou i ka hapa nui o ka lako polokalamu. Manaʻo wau hiki iā mākou ke manaʻo i kahi holomua mai iā lākou ma ka ʻāpana polokalamu, akā ʻaʻole i ka ʻāpana lako.
Playboy: Hiki iā IBM ke ʻōlelo like e pili ana i ka lakohana, akā ʻaʻole ʻoe e kala iā lākou no ia mea. He aha ka ʻokoʻa?
Nā hana: Manaʻo wau ua ulu nui kā mākou ʻoihana a he mea paʻakikī i kekahi ke hoʻomaka i kahi mea hou.
Playboy: ʻAʻole e hānau hou ʻia nā hui piliona kālā i loko o nā hale kaʻa?
Nā hana: Kamepiula - ʻaʻole, kanalua loa au. He kuleana koʻikoʻi kēia ma Apple - inā manaʻo mākou i ka hana hou mai kekahi, pono ia mai iā mākou. ʻO kēia wale nō ke ala e hiki ai iā mākou ke hakakā. Inā wikiwiki mākou, ʻaʻole lākou e loaʻa iā mākou.
Playboy: I ka manawa hea kou manaʻo e hoʻokō hope loa ʻo IBM i nā hui e hana ana i nā lolouila like IBM?
Nā hana: Aia paha he mau hui kope kope ma ka huina o $100-200 miliona, akā ʻo ia ʻano o ka loaʻa kālā ʻo ia ka mea e hakakā nei ʻoe e ola a ʻaʻohe manawa e hana hou ai. Ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei au e hoʻopau ʻo IBM i nā mea hoʻohālike me nā papahana ʻaʻole i loaʻa iā lākou, a i ka hopena e hoʻokomo i kahi maʻamau hou i kūpono ʻole me nā mea o kēia lā - ua palena loa.
Playboy: Aka, ua hana like oe. Inā loaʻa i kekahi kanaka nā polokalamu no ka Apple II, ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke holo iā ia ma ka Macintosh.
Nā hana: Pololei, he mea hou loa ʻo Mac. Ua hoʻomaopopo mākou hiki iā mākou ke huki i ka poʻe hoihoi i nā ʻenehana i kēia manawa - ʻo Apple II, ka IBM PC - no ka mea e noho mau ana lākou ma ka kamepiula i ke ao a me ka pō, e hoʻāʻo nei e haku. Akā ʻaʻole hiki ke loaʻa ka hapa nui o nā kānaka iā mākou.
No ka hāʻawi ʻana i nā kamepiula i nā ʻumi miliona o ka poʻe, pono mākou i ka ʻenehana e maʻalahi ai ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā kamepiula a i ka manawa like e hoʻoikaika ai iā lākou. Pono mākou i kahi holomua. Makemake mākou e hana maikaʻi loa no ka mea ʻo Macintosh paha ko mākou manawa hope loa e hoʻomaka hou ai. Ua hauʻoli loa wau i kā mākou hana. Hāʻawi ka Macintosh iā mākou i kahi kumu maikaʻi no nā makahiki he ʻumi e hiki mai ana.
Playboy: E hoʻi kāua i ke kumu, i nā mea mua o ka Lisa a me ka Mac, i ka hoʻomaka. Pehea ka nui o kou hoihoi i kou mau mākua i ka lolouila?
Nā hana: Ua paipai lakou i ko'u hoihoi. He mechanic koʻu makuakāne a he akamai i ka hana ʻana me kona mau lima. Hiki iā ia ke hoʻoponopono i kekahi mea mīkini. Me keia ua haawi mai oia ia'u i ka ikaika mua. Ua hoʻomaka wau e hoihoi i ka uila a hoʻomaka ʻo ia e lawe mai iaʻu i nā mea hiki iaʻu ke wehe a hoʻohui pū. Ua hoʻoneʻe ʻia ʻo ia i Palo Alto i koʻu mau makahiki ʻelima, ʻo ia ka hopena o mākou i ke awāwa.
Playboy: Ua hānai ʻia ʻoe, ʻeā? Pehea ka hopena o kēia i kou ola?
Nā hana: Paʻakikī ke ʻōlelo. ʻO wai ka mea ʻike.
Playboy: Ua ho'āʻo anei ʻoe e ʻimi i nā mākua ola?
Nā hana: Manaʻo wau makemake nā keiki hānai i ko lākou kumu - makemake nui ka poʻe e hoʻomaopopo i kahi i hele mai ai kekahi mau ʻano. Akā, ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei au he mea mua ke kaiapuni. ʻO kou hānai ʻana, nā waiwai, nā manaʻo i ka honua mai ka wā kamaliʻi. Akā ʻaʻole hiki ke wehewehe ʻia kekahi mau mea e ke kaiapuni. Manaʻo wau he mea maʻamau ka loaʻa ʻana o kēlā hoihoi. Ua loaʻa iaʻu.
Playboy: Ua hiki anei ia oe ke imi i na makua maoli?
Nā hana: ʻO kēia wale nō ke kumuhana aʻu i mākaukau ʻole e kūkākūkā.
Playboy: ʻO ke awāwa āu i neʻe ai me kou mau mākua i kēia lā i kapa ʻia ʻo Silicon Valley. Pehea ka ulu ʻana ma laila?
Nā hana: Noho makou ma na kuaaina. He ʻāina ʻāina maʻamau ʻo ʻAmelika - nui nā keiki e noho kokoke ana iā mākou. Ua aʻo mai koʻu makuahine iaʻu e heluhelu ma mua o ke kula, no laila ua luuluu au i laila a hoʻomaka wau e hoʻoweliweli i nā kumu. Ua ʻike paha ʻoe i kā mākou papa ʻekolu, hana ʻino mākou - hoʻokuʻu mākou i nā nahesa, puhi i nā pōkā. Akā ma ka papa ʻehā ua loli nā mea a pau. ʻO kekahi o kaʻu mau ʻānela kiaʻi ponoʻī ʻo kaʻu kumu ʻo Imogen Hill, nāna i aʻo i ka papa kiʻekiʻe. Ua hoʻomaopopo ʻo ia iaʻu a me koʻu kūlana i loko o hoʻokahi mahina a ua hoʻāla i koʻu makemake i ka ʻike. Ua aʻo au i nā mea hou i kēia makahiki kula ma mua o nā mea ʻē aʻe. I ka pau ʻana o ka makahiki ua makemake lākou e hoʻololi pololei iaʻu i ke kula kiʻekiʻe, akā ua kūʻē koʻu mau mākua naʻauao.
Playboy: Ua hooikaika anei kou wahi i noho ai? Pehea i hana ʻia ai ʻo Silicon Valley?
Nā hana: Aia ke awawa ma ke kahua ma waena o ʻelua mau kula nui, ʻo Berkeley a me Stanford. ʻAʻole ʻo kēia mau kulanui i ka huki wale ʻana i nā haumāna he nui - ua huki lākou i nā haumāna maikaʻi loa mai nā ʻāina āpau. Hele mai lākou, aloha i kēia mau wahi a noho. ʻO kēia ka hopena i ke komo mau ʻana o nā limahana hou a akamai.
Ma mua o ke Kaua Honua II, ua hoʻokumu ʻia ʻelua mau haumāna puka Stanford, ʻo Bill Hewlett lāua ʻo Dave Packard, i ka Hewlett-Packard Innovation Company. A laila i ka makahiki 1948, ua hana ʻia ka transistor bipolar ma Bell Telephone Laboratories. Ua hoʻoholo kekahi o nā mea kākau ʻekolu o ka mea hou, ʻo William Shockley, e hoʻi i kona kamaʻāina ʻo Palo Alto e ʻike i kāna hui liʻiliʻi - Shockley Labs, me he mea lā. Ua lawe pū ʻo ia me ia ma kahi o ʻumikūmālua physicists a me chemists, nā kiʻi koʻikoʻi o kā lākou hanauna. Hoʻomaka liʻiliʻi lākou e haʻalele a loaʻa i kā lākou ʻoihana ponoʻī, e like me nā hua o nā pua a me nā mauʻu e lūlū ma nā ʻaoʻao a pau ke puhi ʻoe iā lākou. Pela i hanau ai ke awawa.
Playboy: Pehea ʻoe i kamaʻāina ai i ke kamepiula?
Nā hana: ʻO Larry Lang kekahi o ko mākou mau hoalauna, nāna i hana ma ke ʻano he ʻenekinia ma Hewlett-Packard. Ua lōʻihi kona manawa me aʻu, aʻo mai iaʻu i nā mea a pau. Ua ʻike mua au i kahi kamepiula ma Hewlett-Packard. I kēlā me kēia Pōʻalua, hoʻokipa lākou i nā hui kamaliʻi a ʻae iā mākou e hana ma ke kamepiula. He ʻumikūmālua paha koʻu mau makahiki, hoʻomanaʻo maikaʻi wau i kēia lā. Ua hōʻike mai lākou i kā lākou kamepiula papapihi hou a hoʻokuʻu iā mākou e pāʻani. Ua makemake loa au i ka'u iho.
Playboy: No ke aha i hoihoi ai ke kamepiula iā ʻoe? Ua manaʻo paha ʻoe he ʻōlelo hoʻohiki i loko?
Nā hana: ʻAʻohe mea e like me ia, manaʻo wale wau he ʻoluʻolu ke kamepiula. Ua makemake au e leʻaleʻa me ia.
Playboy: Ma hope mai ua hana ʻoe ma Hewlett-Packard, pehea i hana ai?
Nā hana: I koʻu mau makahiki he ʻumikūmālua a ʻumikūmākolu paha, pono wau i nā ʻāpana no kahi papahana. Lawe au i ke kelepona a kāhea aku iā Bill Hewlett—ʻo kāna helu ma ka puke kelepona ʻo Palo Alto. Ua pane ʻo ia i ke kelepona a ʻoluʻolu loa. Kamaʻilio mākou no iwakālua mau minuke. ʻAʻole ʻo ia i ʻike iki iaʻu, akā ua hoʻouna mai ʻo ia iaʻu i nā ʻāpana a kono iaʻu e hana i ke kauwela - ua kau ʻo ia iaʻu ma ka laina hui, kahi aʻu i hōʻuluʻulu ai i nā helu helu pinepine. He huaʻōlelo ikaika loa paha ka "hui", ua hoʻopaʻa wau i nā wili. Akā, ʻaʻohe mea nui, aia wau i ka lani.
Ke hoʻomanaʻo nei au i koʻu ʻoliʻoli ʻana i ka lā mua o ka hana - ʻoiai, ua hoʻolimalima ʻia au ma Hewlett-Packard no ke kauwela holoʻokoʻa. Ua hauʻoli wau i ka haʻi ʻana i koʻu haku, he kanaka i kapa ʻia ʻo Chris, ua makemake au i ka uila ma mua o nā mea ʻē aʻe o ka honua. I koʻu nīnau ʻana i kāna mea makemake loa, nānā mai ʻo Chris iaʻu a pane mai, "Sex." [ʻakaʻaka] He kau hoʻonaʻauao kēia.
Playboy: Pehea ʻoe i hālāwai ai me Steve Wozniak?
Nā hana: Ua hālāwai au iā Woz i ka ʻumikūmākolu ma ka hale kaʻa o kahi hoaaloha. He ʻumikūmāwalu paha kona mau makahiki. ʻO ia ka mea mua aʻu i ʻike ai i ʻoi aku ka ʻike o ka uila ma mua oʻu. Ua lilo mākou i mau hoaaloha maikaʻi ma muli o ka hoihoi maʻamau i nā kamepiula a me ke ʻano hoʻohaʻahaʻa. He aha ke ʻano o kā mākou hana ʻana!
Playboy: ʻo kahi laʻana?
Nā hana: [ʻakaʻaka] ʻAʻohe mea kūikawā. Eia kekahi laʻana, ua hana lākou i hae nui me kahi nunui [hōʻike i ka manamana waena]. Ua makemake mākou e wehe i waena o ka ʻaha puka. I kekahi manawa hou, ua hoʻākoakoa ʻo Wozniak i kekahi ʻano mea hoʻopaʻapaʻa, e like me ka pōkā, a lawe mai i ka hale ʻaina kula. Ua hana pū mākou i nā pahu polū.
Playboy: ʻO kēia anei nā mea hana hewa i hiki ai iā ʻoe ke kelepona mamao?
Nā hana: Pololei. ʻO kahi hanana kaulana i pili iā lākou ʻo ia ka wā i kapa ʻia ai ʻo Woz i ka Vatican a hoʻolauna iā ia iho ʻo Henry Kissinger. Ua ala aʻela lākou i ka makuakāne i ke aumoe a ʻike lākou he hana pupule.
Playboy: Ua loaʻa paha iā ʻoe ka hoʻopaʻi no ia mau hana ʻino?
Nā hana: Ua kipaku ia au mai ke kula i kekahi mau manawa.
Playboy: Hiki iā mākou ke ʻōlelo ua "huli" ʻoe i nā kamepiula?
Nā hana: Ua hana au i kekahi mea a laila kekahi. Nui a puni. Ma hope o ka heluhelu ʻana iā Moby Dick no ka manawa mua, ua kau inoa hou au no nā papa kākau. I koʻu makahiki ʻelemakule, ua ʻae ʻia au e hoʻolilo i ka hapalua o koʻu manawa ma Stanford e hoʻolohe ana i nā haʻiʻōlelo.
Playboy: Ua loaʻa iā Wozniak nā manawa o ka nānā ʻana?
Nā hana: [ʻakaʻaka] ʻAe, akā ʻaʻole ʻo ia i makaʻala wale i nā kamepiula. Manaʻo wau ua noho ʻo ia i kekahi ʻano o kona honua ponoʻī ʻaʻole i hoʻomaopopo ʻia e kekahi. ʻAʻohe mea i kaʻana like i kāna mau makemake - ua ʻoi iki ʻo ia ma mua o kona manawa. He mehameha loa ʻo ia ma mua. Ua alakaʻi nui ʻia ʻo ia e kona mau manaʻo i loko e pili ana i ka honua, ʻaʻole na ka manaʻo o kekahi, no laila ua hoʻokō ʻo ia. He ʻokoʻa māua ʻo Woz ma nā ʻano he nui, akā like i kekahi mau ʻano a kokoke loa. Ua like mākou me ʻelua mau hokele me ko mākou mau ʻōpuni ponoʻī e hui ana i kēlā me kēia manawa. ʻAʻole wau e kamaʻilio wale nei e pili ana i nā lolouila—Ua aloha māua ʻo Woz i ka mele a Bob Dylan a noʻonoʻo nui iā ia. Noho mākou ma Kaleponi - Ua hoʻopiha ʻia ʻo Kaleponi me ka ʻuhane o ka hoʻokolohua a me ka wehe ʻana, ka wehe ʻana i nā manawa hou.
Ma waho aʻe o Dylan, ua hoihoi au i nā hana uhane Hikina, i hiki mai i ko mākou ʻāina. I koʻu noho ʻana ma ke Kulanui ʻo Reed ma Oregon, loaʻa iā mākou ka poʻe e kū ana i nā manawa a pau—Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, Gary Snyder. Ua nīnau mau mākou iā mākou iho i nā nīnau e pili ana i ke ʻano o ke ola. I kēlā manawa, heluhelu nā haumāna a pau o ʻAmelika iā Be Here Now, Diet for a Small Planet, a he ʻumi mau puke like ʻole. ʻAʻole ʻoe e ʻike iā lākou ma ka pā kula i ka lā. ʻAʻole maikaʻi a ʻino paha, ʻokoʻa wale nō i kēia manawa. Ua lawe ʻia ko lākou wahi e ka puke "In Search of Excellence."
Playboy: Pehea ka hopena o kēia mau mea iā ʻoe i kēia lā?
Nā hana: He hopena nui kēia manawa holoʻokoʻa iaʻu. Ua ʻike ʻia aia ma hope o mākou nā kanaono, a ʻaʻole i hoʻokō ka nui o nā mea manaʻo i kā lākou mau pahuhopu. No ka mea, ua haalele loa lakou i ke ao ana, aohe wahi kupono no lakou. ʻO ka nui o koʻu mau hoaaloha i hoʻokomo i ka idealism o nā makahiki kanaono, akā me ka hoʻomaʻamaʻa hoʻi, ka makemake ʻole e hana ma kahi hale kūʻai hale kūʻai ma ke kanahākumamālima, e like me ka mea i hana pinepine ʻia i kā lākou mau hoa kahiko. ʻAʻole ia he hana pono ʻole kēia, akā kaumaha loa ka hana ʻana i kahi mea āu e makemake ai.
Playboy: Ma hope o Reed, ua hoʻi ʻoe i Silicon Valley a pane i ka hoʻolaha "Make Money While Having Fun" i kaulana.
Nā hana: Akau. Ua makemake au e hele, akā ʻaʻole lawa kaʻu kālā. Ua hoʻi mai au e ʻimi i kahi hana. Ke nānā nei au i nā hoʻolaha ma ka nūpepa a ʻōlelo maoli kekahi o lākou, "E loaʻa kālā me ka leʻaleʻa." Ua kāhea wau. Ua hoʻololi ʻia ʻo Atari. ʻAʻole au i hana ma nā wahi ʻē aʻe ma mua, koe wale nō koʻu wā ʻōpio. Ma kekahi hana mana, ua kāhea mai lākou iaʻu no ka ninaninau i kekahi lā aʻe a hoʻolimalima iaʻu.
Playboy: ʻO kēia ka manawa mua loa o ka mōʻaukala Atari.
Nā hana: Ma waho aʻe oʻu aia ma kahi o kanahā mau kānaka ma laila, ʻuʻuku loa ka hui. Ua hana lākou iā Pong a me ʻelua mau pāʻani ʻē aʻe. Ua hoʻonoho ʻia au e kōkua i kahi kanaka i kapa ʻia ʻo Don. E hoʻolālā ana ʻo ia i kahi pāʻani pōkiʻi weliweli. I ka manawa like, ke kūkulu nei kekahi i kahi simulator hockey. Ma muli o ka lanakila nui o Pong, ua hoʻāʻo lākou e hoʻohālike i kā lākou mau pāʻani āpau ma hope o nā haʻuki like ʻole.
Playboy: I ka manawa like, ʻaʻole ʻoe i poina e pili ana i kou hoʻoikaika ʻana - pono ʻoe i ke kālā e hele ai.
Nā hana: Ua hoʻouna aku ʻo Atari i kahi hoʻouna o nā pāʻani i ʻEulopa, a ua ʻike ʻia aia nā hemahema ʻenehana. Ua noʻonoʻo wau pehea e hoʻoponopono ai iā lākou, akā pono e hana me ka lima - pono kekahi e hele i ʻEulopa. Ua hāʻawi manawaleʻa wau e hele a noi aku e hoʻomaha ma kaʻu uku ponoʻī ma hope o ka huakaʻi ʻoihana. ʻAʻole kūʻē nā luna. Ua kipa au i Switzerland a mai laila mai ua hele au i New Delhi a ua lōʻihi ka manawa ma India.
Playboy: Ma laila ʻoe i kahi ai i kou poʻo.
Nā hana: ʻAʻole pēlā. E hele ana au ma ka Himalayas a hele auwana i kekahi ʻano ʻahaʻaina hoʻomana. Aia kekahi baba - he lunakahiko pono, ka haipule o kēia ʻahaʻaina - a he hui nui o kāna poʻe hahai. Honi au i ka meaʻai ʻono. Ma mua o kēia, ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke honi i kekahi mea ʻono no ka manawa lōʻihi, no laila ua hoʻoholo wau e hoʻomaha i ka ʻahaʻaina, mahalo a ʻai i ka ʻai.
He ʻaina awakea kaʻu. No kekahi kumu, hele koke mai keia wahine i o'u nei, noho iho la ma ko'u aoao, a poha mai la ka akaaka. ʻAʻole ʻo ia i ʻōlelo Pelekania, ʻōlelo iki wau i ka Hindi, akā ua hoʻāʻo mākou e kamaʻilio. Ua ʻakaʻaka wale ʻo ia. A laila lālau ʻo ia i kuʻu lima a kauo iaʻu i ke ala mauna. He mea ʻakaʻaka - aia nā haneli o nā India a puni ka mea i hele kūikawā mai nā tausani o nā kilomita e hoʻolimalima ma kahi o ʻumi kekona me kēia kanaka, a hele au ma laila e ʻimi ai i ka meaʻai, a lawe koke ʻo ia iaʻu i kahi mauna.
Ma hope o ka hapalua hola hiki mākou i luna. Aia kahi kahawai liʻiliʻi e kahe ana ma laila - ua hoʻoluu ka wahine i koʻu poʻo i ka wai, lawe i kahi pahi a hoʻomaka e kahi iaʻu. Ua kahaha au. He 19 oʻu mau makahiki, aia au ma ka ʻāina ʻē, ma kahi o ka Himalayas, a ke kahili nei kekahi poʻe akamai India i koʻu poʻo ma luna o kahi mauna. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu ke kumu āna i hana ai.
Source: www.habr.com