{"id":54930,"date":"2020-01-08T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-01-07T21:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/blog_prohoster\/obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii"},"modified":"2020-02-18T14:02:59","modified_gmt":"2020-02-18T11:02:59","slug":"obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/hr\/blog\/news\/obsuzhdaem-tsifrovye-dvojniki-i-imitatsionnoe-modelirovanie-s-osnovatelem-konsaltingovoj-kompanii","title":{"rendered":"Razgovaramo o digitalnim blizancima i simulacijskom modeliranju s osniva\u010dem konzultantske tvrtke","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Osniva\u010d NFP, Sergej Lo\u017ekin, ispri\u010dao mi je \u0161to je simulacijsko modeliranje, digitalni blizanci, za\u0161to su na\u0161i programeri u Europi jeftini i odli\u010dni, te za\u0161to je u Rusiji visok nivo digitalizacije.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Posjetite nas ako \u017eelite saznati kako to funkcionira, kome su u Rusiji potrebni Digital Twin, koliko ko\u0161ta projekt i kako se to mo\u017ee nau\u010diti.<\/p>\n<p><noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" name=\"habracut\"><\/a><\/noindex><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Digitalni blizanac je to\u010dna virtualna kopija stvarnog objekta ili procesa. Aktivno se koriste diljem svijeta za u\u0161tedu novca i pove\u0107anje sigurnosti. Rusija kona\u010dno po\u010dinje i\u0107i u tom smjeru, a posebno je ugodno \u0161to imamo odli\u010dne tvrtke koje se kotiraju \u010dak i na inozemnom tr\u017ei\u0161tu.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Potpunu verziju intervjua (sat i malo vi\u0161e) pogledajte na mom YouTube kanalu, sve je jako \u017eivahno i zanimljivo, a u prvom komentaru su vremenske oznake.<\/p>\n<p>\n<center><div class=\"youtube-placeholder\" data-id=\"_EgQ6ct4_Bo\" onclick=\"loadVideo(this)\">\r\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/img.youtube.com\/vi\/_EgQ6ct4_Bo\/hqdefault.jpg\" alt=\"Pogledajte video\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" style=\"width:100%;height:auto;\">\r\n        <div class=\"play-button\"><\/div>\r\n    <\/div><\/center><\/p>\n<p>Ovdje \u0107u u vrlo sa\u017eetom obliku navesti nekoliko to\u010daka, kreativno prilago\u0111enih za tiskani format.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>Fara:<br \/>\n\u2014 Koliko dugo u va\u0161oj tvrtki postoji odjel za \"Simulacijsko modeliranje\" i za\u0161to ste se odlu\u010dili time baviti?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Sergej:<br \/>\n\u2014 Imali smo zaposlenika 2016. godine koji je znao \u0161to je Anylogic. Rekao je da je tema zanimljiva, krenimo s tim. I po\u010deli smo, uop\u0107e ne znaju\u0107i \u0161to to zna\u010di. Po\u010deli smo ulagati, obu\u010davati ljude, tra\u017eiti klijente. A onda je ta osoba oti\u0161la\u2026 No, budu\u0107i da smo ve\u0107 ulo\u017eili neki trud, odlu\u010dili smo nastaviti.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Pa gledaj, pojavila se neka nova stvar koju treba razvijati, a vi ste dobro znali da je velika ve\u0107ina tr\u017ei\u0161ta \"dr\u017eavna\" s odgovaraju\u0107om mentalitetom i raspadaju\u0107im tvornicama koje \u0107e nekako trebati modelirati. Jeste li doista povjerovali u ovu tehnologiju ili ste se samo odlu\u010dili baviti ne\u010dim modernim?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Ne bih rekao da je to tada bilo moderno, ideja je jako zanimljiva. Po mom mi\u0161ljenju, digitalni eksperimenti na modelima \u010dekaju nas u svim podru\u010djima, to je put koji treba slijediti u svakom slu\u010daju. Amerikanci, na primjer, modeliraju \u010ditave vojne bitke, raspore\u0111uju tenkove, avione, vojsku i gledaju rezultat borbe.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Pa to je u vojnoj sferi. U civilnoj, Amerika i Europa tako\u0111er se ve\u0107 dugo bave modeliranjem. Kina napreduje u modeliranju velikim koracima. Na primjer, njema\u010dka kompanija SimPlan na Anylogic modelirala je rad aviona Airbus, Mercedes aktivno koristi, zapravo svaka velika kompanija igra se s modelima. Imamo napredne kompanije koje to rade. I komercijalne i dr\u017eavne, za koje je, usput, digitalna transformacija jedna od glavnih tema sada.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Pa znamo kako to prolazi\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Mi znamo\u2026 ali oni moraju dati neki rezultat. Nije mogu\u0107e stalno o tome samo govoriti, ubrzo \u0107u po\u010deti pitati. Tako da moraju ne\u0161to u\u010diniti.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Razgovaramo o digitalnim blizancima i simulacijskom modeliranju s osniva\u010dem konzultantske tvrtke\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/7b5e7e9094d9cf13fdcc64807752c8c3.png\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Tko su va\u0161i klijenti?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 To su uglavnom velike kompanije. U \u017eargonu, TOP-1000 \u2013 na\u0161i ciljani klijenti. Uglavnom su to komercijalne kompanije i komercijalne s dr\u017eavnim udjelom. Me\u0111u klijentima su sistemski va\u017eni igra\u010di u energetici, va\u0111enju plina, zra\u010dnim prijevozima.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 \u0160to ih zanima modelirati?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Zanimaju ih procesi koji eksperimentalno ko\u0161taju skupo. Na primjer, postoji pe\u0107 za taljenje veli\u010dine ku\u0107e, i svaka gre\u0161ka u promjeni tehnolo\u0161kog procesa, koji je postavljen jo\u0161 60-ih godina, mo\u017ee ko\u0161tati jako skupo. Stoga, unato\u010d tome \u0161to se u\u010dinkovitost procesa mo\u017ee pove\u0107ati, ne idu na eksperimente.<br \/>\nU tom slu\u010daju mo\u017eete stvoriti \"digitalni blizanac\", u kojem uzimate u obzir procese u pe\u0107i i svu opremu \u2013 skladi\u0161ta, dizalice itd., te sve to modelirati. Na primjer, vidjeti \u0161to \u0107e se dogoditi ako ne smanjujemo temperaturu u pe\u0107i.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Dakle, kakva je razlika izme\u0111u digitalnog blizanca i simulacijskog modeliranja?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Simulacijsko modeliranje je proces stvaranja i rada s digitalnim blizancem, tj. s virtualnom kopijom fizi\u010dkog objekta ili procesa. To mo\u017ee biti poslovni proces, na primjer, rutiranje poziva, kretanje \u017eeljezni\u010dkog prometa, automobili, ne\u0161to vezano za logistiku itd.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Uop\u0107e, digitalni blizanac je trendovska tema, i pod nju se mo\u017ee uklopiti jako mnogo toga. To mo\u017ee biti model nekog pegla, a implementacija 1C se mo\u017ee nazvati digitalnim blizancem ra\u010dunovodstva. Ovu pojavu su\u017eavamo na odre\u0111ene fizi\u010dke procese.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Za\u0161to misli\u0161 da je simulacijsko modeliranje trenutno popularna tema? O digitalnim blizancima gotovo da nisam \u010duo. Osim toga, kada sam tra\u017eila poslove na hh za Anylogic, koji vi koristite, bilo ih je malo, a vi\u0161e od polovine bilo je vezano uz vas.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Proljetos smo bili u M\u00fcnchenu na konferenciji o simulacijskom modeliranju, upoznavali smo se sa tvrtkama koje se time bave, i mogu re\u0107i da Rusija u tom pogledu zaostaje. Veliko tr\u017ei\u0161te simulacijskog modeliranja je u SAD-u, tamo svi modeliraju. A u Europi, na primjer, ne mo\u017ee\u0161 graditi infrastrukturne objekte bez modeliranja, \u010dak su modelirali tvornicu Volkswagena, koja se nalazi u Kaluzi.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u010cak i uzimaju\u0107i u obzir Anylogic \u2013 ruski softver za simulacijsko modeliranje koji aktivno koriste \u0161irom svijeta, u Rusiji je obujam kori\u0161tenja ovog proizvoda manji od 10% prema njihovim rije\u010dima. Drugim rije\u010dima, modeliranje kod nas, zapravo, tek po\u010dinje. I sada imamo sve vi\u0161e i vi\u0161e svjesnih zahtjeva od klijenata.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Razgovaramo o digitalnim blizancima i simulacijskom modeliranju s osniva\u010dem konzultantske tvrtke\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/06e66a249bc99c51db0dd9eef8ddfa8a.png\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Kada dolazite u tvrtke sa svojim idejama, \u010desto se suo\u010davate s otporom?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Da, \u010desto. Osobito u tvrtkama gdje se ljudi \"stare \u0161kole\" dr\u017ee svojih mjesta i govore da \"ova stvar\" ne \u0107e im omogu\u0107iti pove\u0107anje u\u010dinkovitosti. Osim toga, ponekad menad\u017ement \u017eeli, ali mi moramo raditi na razini ni\u017ee, s majstorima i dispe\u010derima, a s njihove strane tako\u0111er ima otpora.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>No, sada je primjetan trend promjene, sve jasnije se osje\u0107a. Odlaze \u201estariji\u201c, a oni koji dolaze razmi\u0161ljaju na druga\u010diji na\u010din. Osim toga, kao \u0161to sam rekao, sada se gotovo sve prisiljava na digitalnu transformaciju, provodimo obuke i \u010dak u poduze\u0107ima u unutra\u0161njosti sve \u010de\u0161\u0107e se susre\u0107u napredni tipovi. Ponekad \u0161alju moskovljane na slu\u017ebena putovanja, i oni tamo sve razvijaju.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Osje\u0107ate li nedostatak kadrova?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Ovisi o situaciji, mi smo projektna organizacija. Ako do\u0111e mnogo projekata, tada se osje\u0107a glad, jer za razvoj programera potrebno je nekoliko mjeseci. Sada ne bih rekao da postoji glad, imamo zapo\u0161ljavanje otprilike jedne osobe mjese\u010dno zbog pove\u0107anja broja projekata, ali velike potrage za tim nema.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Koliko pla\u0107ate?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Junior mo\u017ee zara\u0111ivati oko 50k kuna. Uglavnom imamo standardne tarife. Normalne pla\u0107e po\u010dinju od 80k kuna pa do vi\u0161ih iznosa. Ako klijenti vole osobu i ona se dobro razvija, brzo mo\u017ee do\u0107i do dobre pla\u0107e od 120k kuna.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Dakle, osoba je programirala nekoliko godina, nau\u010dila Javu, do\u0161la kod vas i ima perspektive da do\u0111e do 200k kuna.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Da.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 (Zna\u010dajan pogled u kameru)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Razgovaramo o digitalnim blizancima i simulacijskom modeliranju s osniva\u010dem konzultantske tvrtke\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/2e528422e8f03fa11bdd11b073115932.png\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Primijetila sam da imate neke video zapise na engleskom jeziku na YouTubeu. Kasnije pronalazim \u010dlanak da se dospijevate na britansko tr\u017ei\u0161te. Za\u0161to?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Doista planiramo u\u0107i na britansko tr\u017ei\u0161te, imamo cilj da polovica prihoda bude iz inozemstva. \u017delimo raditi \u0161irom svijeta. Trenutno imamo nekoliko takvih projekata, ali \u017eelimo da to postane stalna praksa.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Osje\u0107a li se perspektiva i interes za vas u Europi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Ovisi o tome \u0161to nudimo. Na primjer, sada provodimo obuku o simulacijskom modeliranju i RPA za Europu, i formiramo grupe od 20\u201330 osoba koje zatim \u017eele s nama kontaktirati.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Tako\u0111er mi se svidjelo u \u010dlanku \u0161to imaju manje provjera, bolji pravni i sudski sustav, a tro\u0161kovi za developere su vrlo visoki. Je li to\u010dan, da \u0107e developeri raditi ovdje, a raditi \u0107e za inozemstvo?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Da, pa to je klasi\u010dna situacija.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Samo primje\u0107ujem po prvi put da se pojavljuju nove tvrtke koje rade hype poslovanje, vrlo popularno u inozemstvu, ali jo\u0161 nije postiglo uspjeh u Rusiji. Stoga po\u010dinju raditi projekte za strano tr\u017ei\u0161te i nekako mi je \u017eao na\u0161ih developera jer su to, u su\u0161tini, jeftine radne snage s umom, koje se mogu vrlo dobro eksploatirati i prodavati odli\u010dni projekti u inozemstvu.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Ovde se ne sla\u017eem ba\u0161 da je to eksploatacija, jer takav developer dobiva vrlo dobre bonuse. Da, ne\u0107e zara\u0111ivati kao osoba koja \u017eivi u UK, ali su tamo i tro\u0161kovi \u017eivota ve\u0107i.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Dakle, vi zapravo uzimate samo cijenu?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Ne zaboravite da nismo jeftiniji od Indijaca. Ispada da mo\u017eemo ponuditi samo ono \u0161to Indijci ne znaju raditi, gdje je potrebna prava stru\u010dnost, in\u017eenjering i razne slo\u017eene stvari koje radimo bolje.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Razgovaramo o digitalnim blizancima i simulacijskom modeliranju s osniva\u010dem konzultantske tvrtke\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/b8df58fb4f96b44944c3d3d321d88440.png\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Koliko ko\u0161ta va\u0161 model?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Od pola milijuna kuna do beskraja. Dostigli smo 10 milijuna.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Koliko model mo\u017ee u\u0161tedjeti va\u0161em klijentu za 10 milijuna?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Milijarde. Infrastrukturni projekti su vrlo skupi.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Kako uvjeravate klijente da im se isplati kupiti va\u0161 model?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Najjednostavnija opcija za nas je kada je tvrtka svjesna za\u0161to im je potrebno simulacijsko modeliranje i jednostavno nas anga\u017eira kao izvo\u0111a\u010de. Druga razina je kada sami mo\u017eemo ponuditi u\u010dinkovitost, a to je su\u0161tinski konzultantski rad. U tom slu\u010daju, simulacijsko modeliranje je samo jedan od alata, poput RPA, 1C ili nekog tehni\u010dkog regulativa. Iza alata stoji ideja, a iza ideje strategija.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Dakle, kada razgovaramo na razini ideja, negdje mo\u017eemo prodati, a negdje jo\u0161 ne \u2013 nismo jo\u0161 dovoljno zreli s te to\u010dke gledi\u0161ta. A tada ulazimo u odre\u0111enu industriju, jer nije mogu\u0107e biti ekspert u svemu.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2014 Da li sami dolazite do njih?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Trenutno nam se uglavnom obra\u0107aju.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Ako vam se svidjelo, pozivam vas da pogledate <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/_EgQ6ct4_Bo\">cjelovitu verziju<\/a><\/noindex>. Tako\u0111er \u0107ete saznati kako se stvaraju digitalni blizanci i \u0161to oni zapravo predstavljaju, kako ih nau\u010diti razvijati i kakve veze imaju s ma\u0161inskim u\u010denjem i znano\u0161\u0107u.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pi\u0161ite u komentare \u0161to mislite o simulacijskom modeliranju i rije\u010dima Sergeja.<\/p>\n<p>Izvor: <a content=\"nofollow\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habr.com\/ru\/post\/483148\/\">habr.com<\/a><\/p>","protected":false,"gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"html"}]},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u041e\u0441\u043d\u043e\u0432\u0430\u0442\u0435\u043b\u044c NFP \u0421\u0435\u0440\u0433\u0435\u0439 \u041b\u043e\u0436\u043a\u0438\u043d \u0440\u0430\u0441\u0441\u043a\u0430\u0437\u0430\u043b \u043c\u043d\u0435, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0442\u0430\u043a\u043e\u0435 \u0438\u043c\u0438\u0442\u0430\u0446\u0438\u043e\u043d\u043d\u043e\u0435 \u043c\u043e\u0434\u0435\u043b\u0438\u0440\u043e\u0432\u0430\u043d\u0438\u0435, 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