{"id":38133,"date":"2019-10-31T22:21:51","date_gmt":"2019-10-31T19:21:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/fenomen-xy-kak-izbezhat-nepravilnyh-problem\/"},"modified":"2019-10-31T22:21:51","modified_gmt":"2019-10-31T19:21:51","slug":"fenomen-xy-kak-izbezhat-nepravilnyh-problem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/hu\/blog\/news\/fenomen-xy-kak-izbezhat-nepravilnyh-problem","title":{"rendered":"XY jelens\u00e9g: hogyan ker\u00fclj\u00fck el a 'hib\u00e1s' probl\u00e9m\u00e1kat","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Gondolkodott m\u00e1r valaha azon, hogy mennyi \u00f3r\u00e1t, h\u00f3napot \u00e9s ak\u00e1r \u00e9letet pazaroltak el a \u201erossz\u201d probl\u00e9m\u00e1k megold\u00e1s\u00e1ra? <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"XY jelens\u00e9g: hogyan ker\u00fclj\u00fck el a &#039;hib\u00e1s&#039; probl\u00e9m\u00e1kat\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/2f9e27f55f87fefa681ae77b333d4606.jpeg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" name=\"habracut\"><\/a><\/noindex><br \/>\nEgyszer n\u00e9h\u00e1ny ember panaszkodni kezdett, hogy elviselhetetlen\u00fcl hossz\u00fa ideig kell v\u00e1rniuk a liftre. M\u00e1sok agg\u00f3dtak a panaszok miatt, \u00e9s rengeteg id\u0151t, energi\u00e1t \u00e9s p\u00e9nzt ford\u00edtottak a liftek m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s\u00e9nek jav\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1ra \u00e9s a v\u00e1rakoz\u00e1si id\u0151 cs\u00f6kkent\u00e9s\u00e9re. De az eredeti probl\u00e9ma eg\u00e9szen m\u00e1s volt \u2013 \u201eaz emberek elkezdtek panaszkodni\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>A val\u00f3di probl\u00e9ma megold\u00e1sa az volt, hogy nagy t\u00fckr\u00f6ket helyeztek el az \u00e9p\u00fclet el\u0151csarnok\u00e1ban. A saj\u00e1t t\u00fckr\u00f6z\u0151d\u00e9s\u00fck megfigyel\u00e9se a liftre v\u00e1rva meglehet\u0151sen izgalmas tev\u00e9kenys\u00e9gnek bizonyult, \u00e9s jelent\u0151sen cs\u00f6kkent a panaszok sz\u00e1ma a liftek lass\u00fa m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9se miatt. <\/p>\n<h2>XY-probl\u00e9ma jelens\u00e9ge<\/h2>\n<p>\n2001-ben Eric Steven Raymond amerikai fejleszt\u0151 adta ezt a jelens\u00e9get XY-probl\u00e9ma n\u00e9ven. <\/p>\n<p>Az XY-probl\u00e9ma gyakran felmer\u00fcl a v\u00e9gfelhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3 \u00e9s a fejleszt\u0151, az \u00fcgyf\u00e9l \u00e9s a v\u00e1llalkoz\u00f3, vagy egyszer\u0171en az emberek k\u00f6z\u00f6tt. <\/p>\n<p>Egyszer\u0171 szavakkal az XY-probl\u00e9ma az, amikor olyan helyen kezd\u00fcnk el jav\u00edtani\/szegmenst keresni, ahol nem is lett volna sz\u00fcks\u00e9g r\u00e1. Ez id\u0151- \u00e9s energiaelposzt\u00e1s\u00e1hoz vezet, mindazok r\u00e9sz\u00e9r\u0151l, akik seg\u00edts\u00e9get k\u00e9rnek, mindazok r\u00e9sz\u00e9r\u0151l, akik seg\u00edtenek. <\/p>\n<h4>Hogyan cs\u00faszhatunk bele az XY-probl\u00e9m\u00e1ba. Felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3i \u00fatmutat\u00f3 l\u00e9p\u00e9sr\u0151l l\u00e9p\u00e9sre<\/h4>\n<p><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>A felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3nak meg kell oldania az X probl\u00e9m\u00e1t.<\/li>\n<li>A felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3 nem tudja, hogyan oldja meg az X probl\u00e9m\u00e1t, de \u00fagy gondolja, meg tudja oldani, ha siker\u00fcl v\u00e9grehajtania a Y m\u0171veletet. <\/li>\n<li>A felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3nak azt sem tudja, hogyan hajthatja v\u00e9gre a Y m\u0171veletet.<\/li>\n<li>Seg\u00edts\u00e9get k\u00e9rve a felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3 azt k\u00e9ri, hogy seg\u00edtsenek neki meg\u00e9rteni a Y-t. <\/li>\n<li>Mindenki arra pr\u00f3b\u00e1l seg\u00edteni a felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3nak a Y m\u0171velettel, annak ellen\u00e9re, hogy a Y furcsa probl\u00e9ma megold\u00e1s\u00e1nak t\u0171nik.<\/li>\n<li>Sok iter\u00e1ci\u00f3 \u00e9s elvesztegetett id\u0151 ut\u00e1n kider\u00fcl, hogy a felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3 val\u00f3j\u00e1ban az X probl\u00e9m\u00e1t akarta megoldani. <\/li>\n<li>A legrosszabb az, hogy a Y m\u0171velet v\u00e9grehajt\u00e1sa nem lett volna megfelel\u0151 megold\u00e1s az X-re. Mindenki t\u00e9pdi a haj\u00e1t \u00e9s egym\u00e1st m\u00e9rges tekintettel \u00e9geti, mondv\u00e1n: \u201eaz \u00e9letem legjobb \u00e9veit adtam neked\u201d.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>\nGyakran az XY-probl\u00e9ma akkor mer\u00fcl fel, amikor az emberek a probl\u00e9m\u00e1juk r\u00e9szletein ragadnak le, \u00e9s azon, amit \u0151k maguk megold\u00e1snak tartanak. Ennek k\u00f6vetkezt\u00e9ben nem tudnak egy l\u00e9p\u00e9st h\u00e1tral\u00e9pni, \u00e9s \u00e1tfog\u00f3an megmagyar\u00e1zni a probl\u00e9m\u00e1t.<\/p>\n<h2>Oroszorsz\u00e1gban ezt 'kalap\u00e1cs hiba'-nak h\u00edvj\u00e1k.<\/h2>\n<p>\nIter\u00e1ci\u00f3 \u21161. <br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"XY jelens\u00e9g: hogyan ker\u00fclj\u00fck el a &#039;hib\u00e1s&#039; probl\u00e9m\u00e1kat\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/1b99be7bdfde433130501c0f63ee3434.jpeg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><br \/>\n<b class=\"spoiler_title\">Iter\u00e1ci\u00f3 \u2116100500.<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"XY jelens\u00e9g: hogyan ker\u00fclj\u00fck el a &#039;hib\u00e1s&#039; probl\u00e9m\u00e1kat\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/09\/f25a0a656cefe7b7d93b1df9025683b6.jpeg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i>A f\u00e9nyk\u00e9pek szerz\u0151i: Nikolaj Volynkin, Alekszandr Barakin (licenc: <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/ru.meta.stackoverflow.com\/questions\/709\/%D0%A7%D1%82%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5-%D0%9E%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D0%9E%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BA%D0%B0-xy\/710#710\">kalap\u00e1cs hiba<\/a><\/noindex>, <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by\/2.0\/\">CC BY).<\/a><\/noindex><\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>Hogyan ismerhetj\u00fck fel az XY-probl\u00e9ma jeleit<\/h2>\n<p>\nEbben seg\u00edts\u00e9get ny\u00fajt a tapasztalat, \u00fcgyess\u00e9g \u00e9s a n\u00e9pi megfigyel\u00e9sek, amelyek alapj\u00e1n kider\u00edthetj\u00fck, hogy k\u00f6zeledik egy XY-probl\u00e9ma.<\/p>\n<p>Figyelj\u00fcnk arra, hogy mit \u00e9s hogyan mondanak az emberek. \u00c1ltal\u00e1ban a \"helytelen\" probl\u00e9m\u00e1kr\u00f3l besz\u00e9lni kezd\u0151 mondatok \u00edgy kezd\u0151dnek: <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Mit gondol, meg tudn\u00e1nk csin\u00e1lni ...<\/li>\n<li>Hogy fog-e neh\u00e9zs\u00e9get okozni ...<\/li>\n<li>Mennyi id\u0151be telik ...<\/li>\n<li>Seg\u00edts\u00e9gre van sz\u00fcks\u00e9g\u00fcnk a ... l\u00e9trehoz\u00e1s\u00e1ban.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\nEzek a mondatok val\u00f3j\u00e1ban a megold\u00e1sra (Y) vonatkoz\u00f3 k\u00e9rd\u00e9seket tesznek fel, nem pedig a probl\u00e9m\u00e1ra (X). Figyelnie kell, \u00e9s k\u00f6vetnie a besz\u00e9lget\u00e9s sz\u00e1l\u00e1t, hogy meghat\u00e1rozza, val\u00f3ban megoldhat\u00f3-e a probl\u00e9ma Y seg\u00edts\u00e9g\u00e9vel. Val\u00f3sz\u00edn\u0171leg t\u00f6bbsz\u00f6r is vissza kell t\u00e9rnie a besz\u00e9lget\u00e9shez, hogy kider\u00edtse az igaz\u00e1n l\u00e9tez\u0151 probl\u00e9m\u00e1t, X-et. <\/p>\n<p>Ne sajn\u00e1lja az id\u0151t, amit k\u00f6rbe j\u00e1r\u00e1sra ford\u00edt, hiszen v\u00e9g\u00fcl ez megmenthet att\u00f3l, hogy felesleges funkci\u00f3t vagy ak\u00e1r term\u00e9ket hozzon l\u00e9tre. <\/p>\n<h2>Hogyan ker\u00fclj\u00fck el a csapd\u00e1t, \u00e9s seg\u00edts\u00fcnk m\u00e1soknak<\/h2>\n<p><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Fogalmazza meg a probl\u00e9m\u00e1j\u00e1t az 'Objektum \u2013 elt\u00e9r\u00e9s' form\u00e1tumban. Rossz p\u00e9lda: S\u00dcRG\u0150S! MINDEN ELROMLOTT \u00c9S NEM \u00daGY M\u0170K\u00d6DIK. J\u00f3 p\u00e9lda: XFree86 4.1 eg\u00e9rkurzor a Fooware MV1005 chipk\u00e9szleten \u2013 helytelen forma. <\/li>\n<li>Pr\u00f3b\u00e1lja meg a probl\u00e9ma l\u00e9nyeg\u00e9t az els\u0151 50 karakterbe belefoglalni, ha \u00fczenetet \u00edr; az els\u0151 k\u00e9t mondatba, ha sz\u00f3ban ismerteti a probl\u00e9m\u00e1t. Az \u00f6n ideje \u00e9s a besz\u00e9lget\u0151t\u00e1rsa ideje \u00e9rt\u00e9kes, haszn\u00e1lja b\u00f6lcsen.<\/li>\n<li>Ezut\u00e1n adjon hozz\u00e1 kontextust, \u00e9s \u00edrja le a sz\u00e9lesebb k\u00e9pet, hogyan ker\u00fclt ilyen helyzetbe, mekkora a trag\u00e9dia m\u00e9rete. <\/li>\n<li>Ha megold\u00e1st tal\u00e1lt, mes\u00e9ljen arr\u00f3l, hogy mi\u00e9rt hiszi, hogy ez seg\u00edteni fog.<\/li>\n<li>Ha sok tiszt\u00e1z\u00f3 k\u00e9rd\u00e9st kapott v\u00e1laszul \u2013 \u00f6r\u00fclj\u00f6n \u00e9s v\u00e1laszoljon, ez j\u00f3t fog tenni \u00f6nnek, \u00e9s seg\u00edt megtal\u00e1lni a megfelel\u0151 megold\u00e1st.<\/li>\n<li>\u00cdrja le a probl\u00e9ma t\u00fcneteit kronol\u00f3giai sorrendben. Az XY-probl\u00e9m\u00e1k olyan esetek, amikor a kifejez\u00e9sek felcser\u00e9l\u00e9s\u00e9nek jelent\u0151s\u00e9ge van. <\/li>\n<li>\u00cdrja le, hogy mit tett m\u00e1r a probl\u00e9ma megold\u00e1sa \u00e9rdek\u00e9ben. Ne felejtsen el besz\u00e1molni arr\u00f3l, hogy mi\u00e9rt nem m\u0171k\u00f6dtek egyes megold\u00e1si lehet\u0151s\u00e9gek. Ez tov\u00e1bbi inform\u00e1ci\u00f3t ny\u00fajt m\u00e1sok sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra a probl\u00e9m\u00e1j\u00e1r\u00f3l, \u00e9s ler\u00f6vid\u00edti a megold\u00e1s keres\u00e9s\u00e9nek idej\u00e9t. <\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><\/p>\n<h2>\u00d6sszegz\u00e9sek helyett<\/h2>\n<p>\nAmint megtudtam az XY-probl\u00e9ma jelens\u00e9g\u00e9r\u0151l, r\u00e1j\u00f6ttem, hogy nap mint nap k\u00f6r\u00fclv\u00e9ve vagyunk ilyen helyzetekkel, munkahelyi \u00e9s mag\u00e1n\u00e9letben egyar\u00e1nt. Az a t\u00e9ny, hogy l\u00e9tezik ez a jelens\u00e9g, sz\u00e1momra egy \u00e9letment\u0151 tipp\u00e9 v\u00e1lt, amivel mostanra megtanultam b\u00e1nni. <\/p>\n<p>P\u00e9ld\u00e1ul nemr\u00e9g egy koll\u00e9ga j\u00f6tt hozz\u00e1m, hogy rossz h\u00edrt mondjon: visszautas\u00edtja a k\u00f6z\u00f6s projektben val\u00f3 r\u00e9szv\u00e9telt, mert fontosabb feladatok v\u00e1rnak r\u00e1. Besz\u00e9lgett\u00fcnk, \u00e9s kider\u00fclt, hogy val\u00f3j\u00e1ban a magunk \u00e1ltal kit\u0171z\u00f6tt t\u00fal r\u00f6vid hat\u00e1rid\u0151k voltak a probl\u00e9m\u00e1k forr\u00e1sai. A koll\u00e9g\u00e1m r\u00e1j\u00f6tt, hogy nem f\u00e9r bele a (X) id\u0151keretbe, \u00e9s megold\u00e1st tal\u00e1lt \u2013 kil\u00e9pett a projektb\u0151l (Y). J\u00f3l tette, hogy besz\u00e9lgett\u00fcnk. Most \u00faj hat\u00e1rid\u0151ink vannak, \u00e9s senki sem t\u00e1vozik.<\/p>\n<p class=\"for_users_only_msg\">Csak a regisztr\u00e1lt felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3k vehetnek r\u00e9szt a szavaz\u00e1son. <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habr.com\/ru\/auth\/login\/\">K\u00e9rem, jelentkezzen be.<\/a><\/noindex>, k\u00e9rem.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"default-block__polling-title\">Gyakran tal\u00e1lkozik XY-probl\u00e9m\u00e1kkal?<\/h2>\n<ul class=\"content-list content-list_polling\">\n<li class=\"content-list__item content-list__item_polling\">\n<p>                    Igen, folyamatosan.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"content-list__item content-list__item_polling\">\n<p>                    H\u00e1t, val\u00f3sz\u00edn\u0171leg nem.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"content-list__item content-list__item_polling\">\n<p>                    Hmmm, \u00edgy h\u00edvj\u00e1k ezt a dolgot.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>    185 felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3 szavazott. 21 felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3 tart\u00f3zkodott.<br 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