{"id":53682,"date":"2019-12-07T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-12-06T21:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/blog_prohoster\/nachalos-obshhee-golosovanie-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian"},"modified":"2020-02-18T14:01:36","modified_gmt":"2020-02-18T11:01:36","slug":"nachalos-obshhee-golosovanie-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/hu\/blog\/news\/nachalos-obshhee-golosovanie-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian","title":{"rendered":"Megkezd\u0151d\u00f6tt a k\u00f6z\u00f6s szavaz\u00e1s a Debian inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszereir\u0151l","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

Debian projekt bejelentette<\/a><\/noindex> a kezdet\u00e9t \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos szavaz\u00e1s<\/a><\/noindex> (GR, \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos hat\u00e1rozat) a projekt fejleszt\u0151inek ami a t\u00f6bb rendszer ind\u00edt\u00e1si t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1ra \u00f6sszpontos\u00edt.<\/a><\/noindex>, amely meghat\u00e1rozza a projekt j\u00f6v\u0151beli politik\u00e1j\u00e1t a systemd-hez val\u00f3 k\u00f6t\u0151d\u00e9sr\u0151l, alternat\u00edv inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1r\u00f3l \u00e9s a systemd-t nem haszn\u00e1l\u00f3 disztrib\u00faci\u00f3kkal val\u00f3 egy\u00fcttm\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9sr\u0151l. A szavaz\u00e1s december 27-ig tart, a v\u00e9geredm\u00e9nyeket december 28-\u00e1n hirdetik ki.<\/p>\n

Eml\u00e9keztet\u00fcnk r\u00e1, hogy 2014-ben a technikai bizotts\u00e1g j\u00f3v\u00e1hagyta<\/a><\/noindex> a v\u00e1lt\u00e1s<\/a><\/noindex> a disztrib\u00faci\u00f3 alap\u00e9rtelmez\u00e9s szerinti systemd-re v\u00e1lt\u00e1s\u00e1t javasolta, de nem hoztak<\/a><\/noindex> d\u00f6nt\u00e9st a t\u00f6bb inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszer t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1val kapcsolatban (a szavaz\u00e1son nyert a pont, amely a bizotts\u00e1g hat\u00e1rozatlans\u00e1g\u00e1t hangs\u00falyozta). A bizotts\u00e1g vezet\u0151je javasolta a csomagok karbantart\u00f3inak, hogy a sysvinit-ot mint alternat\u00edv inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszert tarts\u00e1k fenn, de azt is jelezte, hogy nem k\u00e9nyszer\u00edtheti a v\u00e9lem\u00e9ny\u00e9t, \u00e9s minden esetben a d\u00f6nt\u00e9st saj\u00e1t hat\u00e1sk\u00f6rben kell meghozni. <\/p>\n

Ezt k\u00f6vet\u0151en n\u00e9h\u00e1ny fejleszt\u0151 megpr\u00f3b\u00e1lta lebonyol\u00edtani<\/a><\/noindex> az \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos szavaz\u00e1st, de a kezdeti szavaz\u00e1s azt mutatta, hogy nincs sz\u00fcks\u00e9g d\u00f6nt\u00e9sre a t\u00f6bb inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszer haszn\u00e1lat\u00e1r\u00f3l. N\u00e9h\u00e1ny h\u00f3nappal ezel\u0151tt, miut\u00e1n probl\u00e9m\u00e1kra<\/a><\/noindex> az elogind csomag (amely a GNOME m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s\u00e9hez sz\u00fcks\u00e9ges a systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcl) a testing \u00e1gba ker\u00fclt a libsystemd-vel val\u00f3 konfliktus miatt, a k\u00e9rd\u00e9st a Debian projekt vezet\u0151je \u00fajra felvetette, mivel a fejleszt\u0151k nem tudtak megegyezni, kommunik\u00e1ci\u00f3juk pedig bels\u0151 ellent\u00e9tekbe torkollott. <\/p>\n

A jelenleg zajl\u00f3 szavaz\u00e1s lehet\u0151v\u00e9 teszi a t\u00f6bb inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszerre vonatkoz\u00f3 politika meger\u0151s\u00edt\u00e9s\u00e9t, \u00e9s ha a pont nyer, amely k\u00f6telez\u0151v\u00e9 teszi az alternat\u00edv rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1t, a karbantart\u00f3k nem figyelhetik el vagy h\u00fazhatj\u00e1k az ehhez hasonl\u00f3 k\u00e9rd\u00e9seket. A projekt vezet\u0151je \u00e1ltal javasolt h\u00e1rom eredeti szavaz\u00e1si lehet\u0151s\u00e9g ut\u00e1n a lehet\u0151s\u00e9gek sz\u00e1ma nyolcra n\u0151tt. A szavaz\u00e1s sor\u00e1n egyszerre t\u00f6bb lehet\u0151s\u00e9g is kiv\u00e1laszthat\u00f3, a kiv\u00e1lasztott elemeket preferenci\u00e1k szerint rangsorolva. K\u00f6r\u00fclbel\u00fcl ezer fejleszt\u0151 rendelkezik szavazati joggal, akik csomagok karbantart\u00e1s\u00e1ban \u00e9s az infrastrukt\u00fara fenntart\u00e1s\u00e1ban vesznek r\u00e9szt.<\/p>\n

Javasolt lehet\u0151s\u00e9gek:<\/p>\n<\/li>\n

  • A f\u00f3kusz a systemd k\u00f6r\u00e9 \u00f6sszpontosul. Az alternat\u00edv ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa nem priorit\u00e1s, de a karbantart\u00f3k tetsz\u00e9s szerint belefoglalhatj\u00e1k az init-scripteket az ilyen rendszerekhez k\u00e9sz\u00fclt csomagokba.\n
  • A k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa \u00e9s a Debian ind\u00edt\u00e1sa nem systemd alap\u00fa ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerekkel.
    \nA szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1sok ind\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1hoz a csomagoknak k\u00f6telez\u0151en tartalmazniuk kell az init-scripteket, a sysv init-scriptek n\u00e9lk\u00fcli systemd unit-f\u00e1jlok lesz\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1sa nem megengedett.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n
  • A preferred option remains systemd, but maintaining alternative init systems is allowed. Technologies such as elogind that allow applications tied to systemd to run in alternative environments are considered important. Init files for alternative systems may be included in the packages.\n
  • T\u00e1mogat\u00e1s a systemd-t nem haszn\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszerek sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra, de a fejl\u0151d\u00e9st nem akad\u00e1lyoz\u00f3 m\u00f3dos\u00edt\u00e1sokkal. A fejleszt\u0151k egyet\u00e9rtenek abban, hogy t\u00e1mogassanak t\u00f6bb init rendszert a k\u00f6zelj\u00f6v\u0151ben, de sz\u00fcks\u00e9gesnek tartj\u00e1k a systemd t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1nak jav\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1t. A specifikus megold\u00e1sok fejleszt\u00e9s\u00e9vel \u00e9s karbantart\u00e1s\u00e1val a megfelel\u0151 k\u00f6z\u00f6ss\u00e9geknek kell foglalkozniuk, de m\u00e1s karbantart\u00f3knak akt\u00edvan seg\u00edteni\u00fck kell, \u00e9s t\u00e1mogatniuk kell a probl\u00e9m\u00e1k megold\u00e1s\u00e1t, amikor sz\u00fcks\u00e9g van r\u00e1. Ide\u00e1lis esetben a csomagoknak minden init rendszer haszn\u00e1lat\u00e1val m\u0171k\u00f6dni\u00fck kell, ez\u00e9rt hagyom\u00e1nyos init szkripteket kell biztos\u00edtani, vagy m\u00e1s mechanizmusokat haszn\u00e1lni, amelyek lehet\u0151v\u00e9 teszik a systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcli m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9st. A systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcli m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s lehetetlens\u00e9g\u00e9t hib\u00e1nak tekintik, de nem olyan hib\u00e1nak, ami blokkolja a kiad\u00e1st, kiv\u00e9ve, ha van k\u00e9sz megold\u00e1s a systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcli m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9sre, de azt nem tartj\u00e1k fenn (p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul amikor a probl\u00e9ma a kor\u00e1bban biztos\u00edtott init szkript elt\u00e1vol\u00edt\u00e1sa miatt mer\u00fcl fel).\n
  • A hordozhat\u00f3s\u00e1g t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa, a fejl\u0151d\u00e9st nem akad\u00e1lyoz\u00f3 v\u00e1ltoztat\u00e1sokkal. A Debian tov\u00e1bbra is kapcsol\u00f3d\u00e1si pontnak sz\u00e1m\u00edt k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 szoftverek integr\u00e1l\u00e1s\u00e1hoz, amelyek azonos vagy hasonl\u00f3 funkcionalit\u00e1st ny\u00fajtanak. A hardver platformok \u00e9s szoftver stackek k\u00f6z\u00f6tti hordozhat\u00f3s\u00e1g fontos feladatnak sz\u00e1m\u00edt, \u00e9s az alternat\u00edv technol\u00f3gi\u00e1k integr\u00e1ci\u00f3ja \u00fcdv\u00f6zlend\u0151, m\u00e9g akkor is, ha a fejleszt\u0151ik n\u00e9zetei elt\u00e9rnek a t\u00f6bbs\u00e9gi v\u00e9lem\u00e9nyt\u0151l. A systemd-vel \u00e9s m\u00e1s init rendszerekkel kapcsolatos \u00e1ll\u00e1spont teljesen megegyezik a 4. ponttal.\n
  • A t\u00f6bb init rendszer t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1nak k\u00f6telez\u0151v\u00e9 t\u00e9tele. A Debian alternat\u00edv init rendszerekkel val\u00f3 ind\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1nak lehet\u0151s\u00e9ge tov\u00e1bbra is fontos a projekt sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra. Minden csomagnak m\u0171k\u00f6dnie kell a systemd-t\u0151l elt\u00e9r\u0151 pid1 kezel\u0151kkel, kiv\u00e9ve, ha a csomagba tartoz\u00f3 szoftver eredetileg csak a systemd-vel val\u00f3 m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9sre k\u00e9sz\u00fclt, \u00e9s nincs t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s a systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcli ind\u00edt\u00e1shoz (az init szkriptek hi\u00e1nya nem sz\u00e1m\u00edt arra, hogy csak a systemd-vel val\u00f3 m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9sre k\u00e9sz\u00fclt).\n
  • A hordozhat\u00f3s\u00e1g \u00e9s t\u00f6bb megval\u00f3s\u00edt\u00e1s t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa. Az alapelvek teljes m\u00e9rt\u00e9kben megegyeznek az 5. ponttal, de a systemd \u00e9s az init rendszerek vonatkoz\u00e1s\u00e1ban nincsenek konkr\u00e9t k\u00f6vetelm\u00e9nyek, \u00e9s a fejleszt\u0151kre semmi k\u00f6telez\u0151 \u00e9rv\u00e9ny\u0171 nem h\u00e1rul. A fejleszt\u0151knek javasolt figyelembe venni\u00fck egym\u00e1s \u00e9rdekeit, kompromisszumokat keresni\u00fck \u00e9s k\u00f6z\u00f6s megold\u00e1sokat tal\u00e1lniuk, amelyek kiel\u00e9g\u00edt\u0151ek a k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 felek sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra.\n
  • A vita folytat\u00e1sa. A pont felhaszn\u00e1lhat\u00f3 a nem megfelel\u0151 lehet\u0151s\u00e9gek besorol\u00e1s\u00e1nak cs\u00f6kkent\u00e9s\u00e9re.\n

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