{"id":54524,"date":"2019-12-28T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-12-27T21:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/blog_prohoster\/podvedeny-itogi-golosovaniya-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian"},"modified":"2020-02-18T14:02:32","modified_gmt":"2020-02-18T11:02:32","slug":"podvedeny-itogi-golosovaniya-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/hu\/blog\/news\/podvedeny-itogi-golosovaniya-o-sistemah-initsializatsii-v-debian","title":{"rendered":"Lezajlott a szavaz\u00e1s a Debian ind\u00edt\u00f3rendszereir\u0151l","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"<p><noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/lists.debian.org\/debian-devel\/2019\/12\/msg00212.html\">Megjelentek<\/a><\/noindex> eredm\u00e9nyek <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.debian.org\/vote\/2019\/vote_002\">\u00e1ltal\u00e1nos szavaz\u00e1s<\/a><\/noindex> (GR, \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos hat\u00e1rozat) a Debian projekt fejleszt\u0151ir\u0151l, akik r\u00e9szt vesznek a csomagok karbantart\u00e1s\u00e1ban \u00e9s az infrastrukt\u00fara fenntart\u00e1s\u00e1ban, amely a t\u00f6bb ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1r\u00f3l sz\u00f3l. A lista m\u00e1sodik pontja (&#171;B&#187;) gy\u0151z\u00f6tt - a preferred rendszer marad a systemd, de lehet\u0151s\u00e9get biztos\u00edtanak alternat\u00edv ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1ra. A szavaz\u00e1s m\u00f3dszere volt <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/ru.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5#%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BF_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5\">Condorcet<\/a><\/noindex>, amelyben minden szavaz\u00f3 rangsorolja az \u00f6sszes lehet\u0151s\u00e9get a preferenci\u00e1ik sorrendj\u00e9ben, \u00e9s a eredm\u00e9ny sz\u00e1m\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1n\u00e1l figyelembe veszik, hogy h\u00e1ny szavaz\u00f3 r\u00e9szes\u00edt el\u0151nyben egy lehet\u0151s\u00e9get a m\u00e1sikkal szemben.<\/p>\n<p>A gy\u0151ztes v\u00e1laszt\u00e1s elismeri, hogy a systemd szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1si egys\u00e9gei a d\u00e9monok \u00e9s szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1sok ind\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1nak prefer\u00e1lt m\u00f3dj\u00e1t k\u00e9pviselik, de elismeri, hogy l\u00e9teznek olyan k\u00f6rnyezetek, ahol a fejleszt\u0151k \u00e9s felhaszn\u00e1l\u00f3k l\u00e9trehozhatnak \u00e9s alkalmazhatnak alternat\u00edv ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszereket \u00e9s funkcion\u00e1lis alternat\u00edv\u00e1kat a systemd lehet\u0151s\u00e9geivel szemben. Az alternat\u00edv megold\u00e1sok fejleszt\u0151inek er\u0151forr\u00e1sok biztos\u00edt\u00e1sa sz\u00fcks\u00e9ges a munk\u00e1juk elv\u00e9gz\u00e9s\u00e9hez \u00e9s a csomagok form\u00e1z\u00e1s\u00e1hoz. Az olyan alternat\u00edv megold\u00e1sok, mint az elogind, amelyek alkalmaz\u00e1sok ind\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1nak megszervez\u00e9s\u00e9re szolg\u00e1lnak, specifikus systemd interf\u00e9szekhez k\u00f6t\u0151dnek, tov\u00e1bbra is fontosak a projekt sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra. Ezeknek az kezdem\u00e9nyez\u00e9seknek a t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa egy\u00fcttm\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9st ig\u00e9nyel azon ter\u00fcleteken, ahol a fejlesztett alternat\u00edv technol\u00f3gi\u00e1k \u00f6sszefon\u00f3dnak a t\u00f6bbi projekttel, p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul a m\u00f3dos\u00edt\u00f3 javaslatok \u00e9s a vit\u00e1k fel\u00fclvizsg\u00e1lat\u00e1nak k\u00e9sleked\u00e9se elfogadhatatlan.<\/p>\n<p>A csomagokba unit-f\u00e1jlok \u00e9s init-skriptek is be\u00e9p\u00edthet\u0151k a szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1sok ind\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1hoz. A csomagok b\u00e1rmilyen systemd funkci\u00f3t haszn\u00e1lhatnak a csomag karbantart\u00f3j\u00e1nak bel\u00e1t\u00e1sa szerint, felt\u00e9ve, hogy ezek a funkci\u00f3k megfelelnek a Debian szab\u00e1lyainak, \u00e9s nem kapcsol\u00f3dnak k\u00eds\u00e9rleti vagy a Debianban nem t\u00e1mogatott lehet\u0151s\u00e9gekhez m\u00e1s csomagokb\u00f3l. A systemd-n k\u00edv\u00fcl a csomagok alternat\u00edv inicializ\u00e1ci\u00f3s rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1t is tartalmazhatj\u00e1k, \u00e9s elemeket adhatnak a systemd-specifikus interf\u00e9szek helyettes\u00edt\u00e9s\u00e9re. A patch-ekbe val\u00f3 be\u00e9p\u00edt\u00e9si d\u00f6nt\u00e9seket a karbantart\u00f3k a megfelel\u0151 elj\u00e1r\u00e1sok keret\u00e9ben hozz\u00e1k meg. A Debian elk\u00f6telezi mag\u00e1t a sz\u00e1rmaz\u00e9kos disztrib\u00faci\u00f3kkal val\u00f3 egy\u00fcttm\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s mellett, amelyek m\u00e1s inicializ\u00e1ci\u00f3s rendszert v\u00e1lasztottak, de a kapcsolat a karbantart\u00f3k szintj\u00e9n alakul, akik d\u00f6nt\u00e9seket hoznak arr\u00f3l, hogy a k\u00fcls\u0151 disztrib\u00faci\u00f3k \u00e1ltal el\u0151k\u00e9sz\u00edtett lehet\u0151s\u00e9geket mi legyen a Debian f\u0151 \u00f6sszetev\u0151je, \u00e9s mi maradjon a sz\u00e1rmaz\u00e9kos disztrib\u00faci\u00f3ban.<\/p>\n<p>Eml\u00e9keztet\u00fcnk r\u00e1, hogy 2014-ben a technikai bizotts\u00e1g  <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.opennet.ru\/opennews\/art.shtml?num=39064\">j\u00f3v\u00e1hagyta<\/a><\/noindex> <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.opennet.ru\/opennews\/art.shtml?num=38762\">a v\u00e1lt\u00e1s<\/a><\/noindex> a disztrib\u00faci\u00f3 alap\u00e9rtelmez\u00e9s szerinti systemd-re v\u00e1lt\u00e1s\u00e1t javasolta, de nem <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.opennet.ru\/opennews\/art.shtml?num=39224\">hoztak<\/a><\/noindex> d\u00f6nt\u00e9sek a t\u00f6bb inicializ\u00e1ci\u00f3s rendszer t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1r\u00f3l (a szavaz\u00e1s sor\u00e1n a bizotts\u00e1g nem tudta eld\u00f6nteni, hogy a k\u00e9rd\u00e9sben \u00e1ll\u00e1st foglaljon). A bizotts\u00e1g vezet\u0151je azt javasolta a csomagok karbantart\u00f3inak, hogy tarts\u00e1k fenn a sysvinit t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1t mint alternat\u00edv inicializ\u00e1ci\u00f3s rendszert, de hangs\u00falyozta, hogy nem k\u00e9nyszer\u00edtheti a v\u00e9lem\u00e9ny\u00e9t, \u00e9s minden esetben a d\u00f6nt\u00e9st \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3an kell meghozni. <\/p>\n<p>Ezt k\u00f6vet\u0151en n\u00e9h\u00e1ny fejleszt\u0151 megpr\u00f3b\u00e1lta <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.opennet.ru\/opennews\/art.shtml?num=41088\">lebonyol\u00edtani<\/a><\/noindex> az \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos szavaz\u00e1st, de a kezdeti szavaz\u00e1s azt mutatta, hogy nincs sz\u00fcks\u00e9g d\u00f6nt\u00e9sre a t\u00f6bb inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszer haszn\u00e1lat\u00e1r\u00f3l. N\u00e9h\u00e1ny h\u00f3nappal ezel\u0151tt, miut\u00e1n <noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.opennet.ru\/opennews\/art.shtml?num=51517\">probl\u00e9m\u00e1kra<\/a><\/noindex> az elogind csomag (amely a GNOME m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s\u00e9hez sz\u00fcks\u00e9ges a systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcl) a testing \u00e1gba ker\u00fclt a libsystemd-vel val\u00f3 konfliktus miatt, a k\u00e9rd\u00e9st a Debian projekt vezet\u0151je \u00fajra felvetette, mivel a fejleszt\u0151k nem tudtak megegyezni, kommunik\u00e1ci\u00f3juk pedig bels\u0151 ellent\u00e9tekbe torkollott. <\/p>\n<p>Megfontolt lehet\u0151s\u00e9gek:<\/p>\n<li class=\"l\"> A f\u00f3kusz a systemd k\u00f6r\u00e9 \u00f6sszpontosul. Az alternat\u00edv ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa nem priorit\u00e1s, de a karbantart\u00f3k tetsz\u00e9s szerint belefoglalhatj\u00e1k az init-scripteket az ilyen rendszerekhez k\u00e9sz\u00fclt csomagokba.\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"l\"> A preferred option remains systemd, but maintaining alternative init systems is allowed. Technologies such as elogind that allow applications tied to systemd to run in alternative environments are considered important. Init files for alternative systems may be included in the packages.\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"l\"> A k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerek t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa \u00e9s a Debian ind\u00edt\u00e1sa nem systemd alap\u00fa ind\u00edt\u00e1si rendszerekkel.<br \/>\nA szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1sok ind\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1hoz a csomagoknak k\u00f6telez\u0151en tartalmazniuk kell az init-scripteket, a sysv init-scriptek n\u00e9lk\u00fcli systemd unit-f\u00e1jlok lesz\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1sa nem megengedett.<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"l\"> T\u00e1mogat\u00e1s olyan rendszerekhez, amelyek nem haszn\u00e1lnak systemd-t, de an\u00e9lk\u00fcl, hogy megakad\u00e1lyozn\u00e1k a fejl\u0151d\u00e9st. A fejleszt\u0151k egyet\u00e9rtenek abban, hogy a k\u00f6zelj\u00f6v\u0151ben t\u00f6bb inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszert is t\u00e1mogatni fognak, de sz\u00fcks\u00e9gesnek tartj\u00e1k a systemd t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1nak jav\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1t is. A specifikus megold\u00e1sok kifejleszt\u00e9s\u00e9re \u00e9s karbantart\u00e1s\u00e1ra a megfelel\u0151 k\u00f6z\u00f6ss\u00e9gekkel kell foglalkozni, de m\u00e1s karbantart\u00f3knak akt\u00edvan seg\u00edteni\u00fck kell, amikor probl\u00e9m\u00e1k mer\u00fclnek fel. Ide\u00e1lis esetben a csomagok minden inicializ\u00e1l\u00f3 rendszer haszn\u00e1lata mellett m\u0171k\u00f6djenek, ez\u00e9rt hagyom\u00e1nyos init-skript\u00e1kat kell biztos\u00edtani, vagy m\u00e1s mechanizmusokat kell alkalmazni, amelyek lehet\u0151v\u00e9 teszik a m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9st systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcl. A systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcli m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s lehetetlens\u00e9ge hib\u00e1nak sz\u00e1m\u00edt, de nem olyan hib\u00e1nak, amely blokkolja a kiad\u00e1st, kiv\u00e9ve, ha van k\u00e9sz megold\u00e1s a systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcli m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9sre, de azt nem tartj\u00e1k meg (p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul ha a probl\u00e9ma egy kor\u00e1bban biztos\u00edtott init-skript elt\u00e1vol\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1b\u00f3l fakad).\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"l\"> A hordozhat\u00f3s\u00e1g t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa, a fejl\u0151d\u00e9st nem akad\u00e1lyoz\u00f3 v\u00e1ltoztat\u00e1sokkal. A Debian tov\u00e1bbra is kapcsol\u00f3d\u00e1si pontnak sz\u00e1m\u00edt k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 szoftverek integr\u00e1l\u00e1s\u00e1hoz, amelyek azonos vagy hasonl\u00f3 funkcionalit\u00e1st ny\u00fajtanak. A hardver platformok \u00e9s szoftver stackek k\u00f6z\u00f6tti hordozhat\u00f3s\u00e1g fontos feladatnak sz\u00e1m\u00edt, \u00e9s az alternat\u00edv technol\u00f3gi\u00e1k integr\u00e1ci\u00f3ja \u00fcdv\u00f6zlend\u0151, m\u00e9g akkor is, ha a fejleszt\u0151ik n\u00e9zetei elt\u00e9rnek a t\u00f6bbs\u00e9gi v\u00e9lem\u00e9nyt\u0151l. A systemd-vel \u00e9s m\u00e1s init rendszerekkel kapcsolatos \u00e1ll\u00e1spont teljesen megegyezik a 4. ponttal.\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"l\"> A t\u00f6bb init rendszer t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s\u00e1nak k\u00f6telez\u0151v\u00e9 t\u00e9tele. A Debian alternat\u00edv init rendszerekkel val\u00f3 ind\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1nak lehet\u0151s\u00e9ge tov\u00e1bbra is fontos a projekt sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra. Minden csomagnak m\u0171k\u00f6dnie kell a systemd-t\u0151l elt\u00e9r\u0151 pid1 kezel\u0151kkel, kiv\u00e9ve, ha a csomagba tartoz\u00f3 szoftver eredetileg csak a systemd-vel val\u00f3 m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9sre k\u00e9sz\u00fclt, \u00e9s nincs t\u00e1mogat\u00e1s a systemd n\u00e9lk\u00fcli ind\u00edt\u00e1shoz (az init szkriptek hi\u00e1nya nem sz\u00e1m\u00edt arra, hogy csak a systemd-vel val\u00f3 m\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9sre k\u00e9sz\u00fclt).\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"l\"> A hordozhat\u00f3s\u00e1g \u00e9s t\u00f6bb megval\u00f3s\u00edt\u00e1s t\u00e1mogat\u00e1sa. Az alapelvek teljes m\u00e9rt\u00e9kben megegyeznek az 5. ponttal, de a systemd \u00e9s az init rendszerek vonatkoz\u00e1s\u00e1ban nincsenek konkr\u00e9t k\u00f6vetelm\u00e9nyek, \u00e9s a fejleszt\u0151kre semmi k\u00f6telez\u0151 \u00e9rv\u00e9ny\u0171 nem h\u00e1rul. A fejleszt\u0151knek javasolt figyelembe venni\u00fck egym\u00e1s \u00e9rdekeit, kompromisszumokat keresni\u00fck \u00e9s k\u00f6z\u00f6s megold\u00e1sokat tal\u00e1lniuk, amelyek kiel\u00e9g\u00edt\u0151ek a k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 felek sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra.\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"l\"> A vita folytat\u00e1sa. 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