Mafunso a Playboy: Steve Jobs, Gawo 3

Mafunso a Playboy: Steve Jobs, Gawo 3
Ili ndi gawo lachitatu (lomaliza) la zokambirana zomwe zili mu anthology The Playboy Interview: Moguls, yomwe imaphatikizapo zokambirana ndi Jeff Bezos, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, David Geffen ndi ena ambiri.

Gawo loyamba.
Gawo lachiwiri.

Playboy: Munatani mutabwerako?

Ntchito: Chikhalidwe chodabwitsa chobwerera chinali champhamvu kuposa kugwedezeka kwaulendo. Atari ankafuna kuti ndibwerere kuntchito. Sindinali wofunitsitsa kubwerera, koma patapita nthawi ndinatsimikiza kukhala mlangizi. Mu nthawi yake yaulere adasangalala ndi Wozniak. Ananditengera ku misonkhano ya Homebrew Computer Club, kumene anthu okonda makompyuta ankasonkhana n’kugawana zomwe apeza. Zina mwa izo zinali zosangalatsa, koma zonse sindinazipeze zosangalatsa kwambiri. Wozniak anapita ku kalabu ndi changu chachipembedzo.

Playboy: Ananena chiyani za makompyuta ndiye? Chifukwa chiyani muli ndi chidwi?

Ntchito: Pakatikati pa zokambiranazo panali kompyuta yaying'ono yotchedwa Altair. Pa nthawiyo, sitinkakhulupirira kuti munthu wina anaphunzira kupanga makompyuta omwe angagulidwe ngati katundu wake. Poyamba izi zinali zosatheka. Pamene tinali kusekondale, palibe aliyense wa ife amene anali ndi mwayi wogwiritsa ntchito makompyuta a mainframe. Tinayenera kupita kwinakwake kukapempha kampani yaikulu kuti itilole kugwiritsa ntchito kompyuta. Tsopano, kwa nthawi yoyamba m'mbiri, kompyuta ikhoza kugulidwa. Altair idatuluka cha m'ma 1975 ndipo idawononga ndalama zosakwana $400.

Ngakhale kuti inali yotchipa, si tonse amene tinkakwanitsa kuigula. Umu ndi momwe makalabu apakompyuta adabadwa.

Playboy: Ndipo munatani ndi makompyuta akalewo?

Ntchito: Panalibe ma graphical interfaces, zizindikiro za alphanumeric zokha. Ndinayamba kuchita chidwi ndi mapulogalamu, mapulogalamu oyambira. Kalelo, pamakompyuta oyambilira omwe simumatha kulemba nkomwe; zilembo zidalowetsedwa pogwiritsa ntchito masiwichi.

Playboy: Kenako Altair adayambitsa lingaliro la nyumba, kompyuta yanu.

Ntchito: Inali kompyuta chabe imene mungagule. Iwo sankadziwa kwenikweni choti achite nazo. Chinthu choyamba chimene anachita chinali kuwonjezera zilankhulo zamakompyuta kuti athe kulemba mapulogalamu. Ogula anayamba kuwagwiritsa ntchito pazinthu zothandiza pokhapokha patatha chaka chimodzi kapena ziwiri, komanso ntchito zosavuta monga kuwerengera ndalama.

Playboy: Ndipo munaganiza kuti mungachite bwino.

Ntchito: Zinachitikadi. Ku Atari, ndinkagwira ntchito kwambiri usiku, ndipo Woz nthawi zambiri ankabwera kudzandiona. Atari adatulutsa masewera otchedwa Gran Track, simulator yoyamba yoyendetsa yokhala ndi chiwongolero. Nthawi yomweyo Woz adamukokera. Anathera matani ambiri pamasewerawa, kotero ndidamulowetsa muofesi ndipo adasewera usiku wonse kwaulere.

Nthawi zonse ndikakhala ndi vuto pogwira ntchito inayake, ndinkapempha Woz kuti apume paulendo wake wapamsewu kwa mphindi zosachepera khumi ndikundithandiza. Nthawi zina ankagwiranso ntchito. Tsiku lina anamanga makina apakompyuta okumbukira mavidiyo. Patangopita nthawi pang'ono, adagula makina opangira ma microprocessor, akumangirira ku terminal, ndipo adapanga choyimira cha Apple I. Woz ndi ine tinasonkhanitsa gulu ladera. Ndizomwezo.

Playboy: Ndiye mwachita chifukwa cha chidwi?

Ntchito: Ndithudi. Chabwino, kukhala ndi chinachake kusonyeza anzanu.

Playboy: Munafika bwanji pa sitepe yotsatira - kupanga mafakitale ndi malonda?

Ntchito: Woz ndi ine tinapeza $1300 pogulitsa minivan yanga ya VW ndi calculator yake ya Hewlett-Packard. Mnyamata wina yemwe ankagwira ntchito pa imodzi mwa masitolo oyambirira apakompyuta anatiuza kuti akhoza kugulitsa zomwe tapanga. Sitinaganizire izi tokha.

Playboy: Kodi inu ndi Wozniak munakonza bwanji ntchitoyi?

Ntchito: Anapanga makompyuta pafupifupi kwathunthu. Ndinathandizira kukumbukira ndikusintha kompyuta kukhala chinthu. Woz sali wabwino pakugulitsa, koma ndi mainjiniya wanzeru.

Playboy: Apple Ndinapangidwira okonda?

Ntchito: zana limodzi. Tinkangogulitsa 150 kapena kuposerapo. Mulungu akudziwa chiyani, koma tinapeza pafupifupi madola 95, ndipo ndinayamba kuona zomwe timakonda monga bizinesi. Apple ine ndinali bwalo loyang'anira dera - panalibe mlandu, palibe magetsi, kwenikweni palibe mankhwala. Ogula amayenera kugula ma transformer komanso kiyibodi okha [amaseka].

Playboy: Kodi inu ndi Wozniak munazindikira mwamsanga kuti mukuchita zinthu zolimbikitsa? Kodi mudaganizapo za kuchuluka kwa zomwe mungapeze komanso kuchuluka kwa makompyuta omwe angasinthe dziko?

Ntchito: Ayi, osati makamaka. Sitinadziŵe kuti zimenezi zingatifikitse kuti. Zolimbikitsa za Woz ndikufufuza zowunikira ndi mayankho. Anayang'ana mbali ya uinjiniya ndipo posakhalitsa adapanga chimodzi mwazinthu zazikulu zomwe adapanga - disk drive, gawo lofunikira la Apple II yamtsogolo. Ndinayesa kukonza kampani, ndipo, poyambira, ndikudziwa kuti kampani ndi chiyani. Sindikuganiza kuti aliyense wa ife akadakwanitsa payekha zomwe tidapindula limodzi.

Playboy: Kodi mgwirizano wanu wasintha bwanji pakapita nthawi?

Ntchito: Woz analibe chidwi ndi Apple. Ankafuna kusonkhanitsa Apple II pa bolodi la dera kuti athe kutenga imodzi mwa makompyuta ndikupita nayo ku kalabu popanda kuopa kuti chinachake chidzathyoledwa panjira. Anakwaniritsa cholinga chake ndipo anapitiriza kuchita zinthu zina. Anali ndi malingaliro ena.

Playboy: Mwachitsanzo, chikondwerero cha rock pamodzi ndi pulogalamu ya pakompyuta, kumene anataya pafupifupi mamiliyoni khumi.

Ntchito: Ntchitoyi nthawi yomweyo idawoneka ngati yopenga kwa ine, koma Woz adakhulupiriradi.

Playboy: Kodi ubale wanu uli bwanji lero?

Ntchito: Mukamagwirira ntchito limodzi ndi munthu wina n’kudutsana mowirikiza ndi mowonda, mumakhala paubwenzi wosasweka. Ngakhale pali mikangano yonse, mgwirizanowu umakhalabe mpaka kalekale. Ndipo ngakhale m’kupita kwa nthaŵi mumasiya kukhala mabwenzi apamtima, china chake champhamvu kuposa ubwenzi chimakhalabe pakati panu. Woz ali ndi moyo wake - adachoka ku Apple zaka zisanu zapitazo. Koma zimene analenga zidzakhalapo kwa zaka zambiri. Tsopano amalankhula pazochitika zosiyanasiyana zamakompyuta. Izi ndi zomwe amakonda.

Playboy: Kusintha kwa makompyuta kunayamba ndi Apple II yomwe mudapanga. Kodi zonsezi zinachitika bwanji?

Ntchito: Sitinagwire ntchito limodzi, anthu enanso anatithandiza. Wozniak adapanga ndondomeko ya dongosolo, gawo lofunikira la Apple II, koma panali mbali zina zofunika. Mphamvu yamagetsi ndiye chinthu chofunikira kwambiri. Thupi ndilofunika kwambiri. Kupambana kwakukulu kwa Apple II kunali kuti chinali chinthu chathunthu. Inali kompyuta yoyamba yomwe sinali zida zomangira. Inali ndi zida zonse, inali ndi mlandu wake ndi kiyibodi - mumakhala pansi ndikugwira ntchito. Ndizomwe zidapangitsa Apple II kukhala yodziwika bwino - imawoneka ngati chinthu chenicheni.

Playboy: Kodi ogula anu oyamba anali okonda?

Ntchito: Kusiyana kwakukulu kunali kuti kugwiritsa ntchito Apple II simunafunikire kukhala wokonda hardware. Mutha kukhala wokonda mapulogalamu. Ichi ndi chimodzi mwazinthu zopambana za Apple II-zinawonetsa kuti anthu ambiri amafuna kusangalala ndi makompyuta, monga Woz ndi ine, m'malo mopanga magalimoto awoawo. Izi ndi zomwe Apple II inali nazo. Koma ngakhale izi, m'chaka choyamba tinangogulitsa makope atatu kapena anayi okha.

Playboy: Ngakhale nambalayi ikuwoneka yolimba - pambuyo pake, omwe adayipanga samadziwa kwenikweni zomwe akuchita.

Ntchito: Zinali zazikulu! Mu 1976, tidakali m’galaja, tinapeza ndalama pafupifupi 1977. Mu 1978 - mamiliyoni asanu ndi awiri. Izi ndi zabwino kwambiri, tidaganiza. Mu 17 tinapeza 1979 miliyoni. Mu 47 - $1980 miliyoni. Apa ndi pamene tonse tinazindikira zomwe zinali kuchitika. 117-1981 miliyoni. 335-1982 miliyoni. 583-1983 miliyoni. 985 - XNUMX miliyoni ... zikuwoneka. Chaka chino tikuyembekeza biliyoni imodzi ndi theka.

Playboy: Mumasunga manambala onsewa m'mutu mwanu.

Ntchito: Kwenikweni, izi ndi zizindikiro chabe pa olamulira. Chosangalatsa kwambiri ndichakuti kale mu 1979, nthawi zina ndimalowa m'makalasi asukulu ndi makompyuta 15 a Apple ndikuwona momwe ana amagwirira ntchito. Izi ndizinthu zomwe ndimawona kuti ndizofunikira kwambiri.

Playboy: Chifukwa chake tabwerera ku zochitika zanu zaposachedwa - kutulutsidwa kwa Mac komanso ndewu yanu ndi IBM. M'mafunsowa, mwawonetsa momveka bwino kuposa kamodzi kuti simukuwona osewera ena mderali. Koma ngakhale mumagawana pafupifupi 60 peresenti yamsika pakati pa nonse awiri, kodi mutha kusiya ena makumi anayiwo - Radio Shack, DEC, Epson, ndi zina zotero? Kodi iwo ndi osafunika kwa inu? Ndipo chofunika kwambiri, kodi ndizotheka kunyalanyaza wopikisana naye mu AT&T?

Ntchito: AT&T igwira ntchito m'gawoli. Kampaniyo ikusintha kwambiri. AT&T ikusiya kukhala bizinesi yothandizidwa, yotsika pansi ndikukhala kampani yaukadaulo yampikisano, osewera pamsika waulere. Zogulitsa za AT&T zokha sizinakhalepo zapamwamba kwambiri - yang'anani mafoni awo, ndizopusa. Koma ma laboratories awo asayansi ali ndi luso lapamwamba kwambiri. Ntchito yayikulu ya kampaniyo ndikuwayika pazamalonda. Ayeneranso kuphunzira kutsatsa kwa ogula. Ndikuganiza kuti atha kugwira ntchito zonse ziwiri, koma kuzithetsa kumatenga zaka.

Playboy: Kodi simukuganiza kuti AT&T ndiwopseza?

Ntchito: Sindikuganiza kuti akuyenera kuganiziridwa zaka ziwiri zikubwerazi - koma adzakhala bwino pakapita nthawi.

Playboy: Nanga bwanji Radio Shack?

Ntchito: Radio Shack ikhalabe yopanda ntchito. Radio Shack inayesera kufinya kompyutayo kuti ikhale yogulitsa malonda, yomwe, m'malingaliro mwanga, imayamba kugulitsa malonda achiwiri kapena otsika m'masitolo amtundu wa asilikali. Kampaniyo sinazindikire kuti ogula amakono anali ndi chidwi ndi makompyuta. Gawo lake la msika lagwera padenga. Sindikuganiza kuti achira ndikukhalanso osewera otsogola.

Playboy: Nanga bwanji Xerox? Texas Instruments? DEC? Wang?

Ntchito: Mutha kuyiwala za Xerox. TI sakuchita bwino monga momwe amaganizira. Makampani ena akuluakulu monga DEC kapena Wang amatha kugulitsa makompyuta awo kwa makasitomala omwe alipo ngati gawo la malo apamwamba, koma msikawo watsala pang'ono kuuma.

Playboy: Nanga bwanji makompyuta a bajeti ochokera ku Commodore ndi Atari?

Ntchito: Ndimawatenga ngati chifukwa china chogulira Apple II kapena Macintosh. Ndikuganiza kuti ogula azindikira kale kuti makompyuta pansi pa madola mazana asanu sali othandiza kwambiri. Mwina amadzutsa chidwi cha wogwiritsa ntchito kwambiri kapena kuwawopseza mpaka kalekale.

Playboy: Mukumva bwanji ndi ma PC ang'onoang'ono onyamula?

Ntchito: Ndioyenera, mwachitsanzo, kwa atolankhani omwe akufuna kulemba malingaliro akuthamanga. Koma zilibe ntchito kwa munthu wamba - mapulogalamu ochepa kwambiri amalembedwera iwo. Mukangopeza pulogalamu yomwe mukufuna, mtundu watsopano udzatuluka ndi chiwonetsero chokulirapo pang'ono, ndipo mapulogalamu anu adzakhala achikale kalekale. Ndi chifukwa chake palibe amene amawalemba. Dikirani zitsanzo zathu - Mphamvu ya Macintosh m'thumba!

Playboy: ndi Epson? Nanga bwanji opanga ena aku Japan?

Ntchito: Ndanena kale: Makompyuta aku Japan atsuka m'mphepete mwathu ngati nsomba zakufa. Iwo angokhala nsomba zakufa. Epson yalephera pamsikawu.

Playboy: Kupanga magalimoto ndi makampani ena a ku America omwe ena amatsutsa kuti ndife otsika kwa a Japan. Tsopano akunena zomwezo za opanga semiconductor athu. Mukukonzekera bwanji kusunga utsogoleri?

Ntchito: Japan ndi dziko losangalatsa kwambiri. Anthu ena amanena kuti anthu a ku Japan amangodziwa kukopera zinthu zina, koma ine sindikuganiza choncho. Ine ndikuganiza iwo akulingaliranso izo. Amatenga zinthu zopangidwa ndi munthu wina n’kumaphunzira mpaka atazimvetsa bwino. Nthawi zina amatha kuwamvetsa bwino kuposa momwe woyambitsayo amamvetsetsa. Umu ndi momwe amapangira mbadwo wachiwiri, wotukuka wazinthu. Njirayi imagwira ntchito ngati zinthu sizisintha pakapita zaka, monga makina omvera kapena magalimoto. Koma ngati chandamale chikuyenda mwachangu kwambiri, ndiye kuti sikophweka kuti azitsatira - kusintha kotereku kumatenga zaka.

Ngati chikhalidwe cha makompyuta aumwini chikupitirizabe kusintha mofanana ndi lero, a ku Japan adzakhala ndi nthawi yovuta. Ntchitoyi ikangotsika, anthu aku Japan adzafika pamsika ndi mphamvu zawo zonse chifukwa akufuna kutsogolera bizinesi yamakompyuta. Sipangakhale kukaikira pano - ichi ndicho chofunika kwambiri cha dziko lawo.

Zikuwoneka kwa ife kuti m'zaka 4-5 a ku Japan adzaphunzira kusonkhanitsa makompyuta abwino. Ndipo ngati tikhalabe ndi utsogoleri waku America kutsogoloku, Apple ili ndi zaka zinayi kuti ikhale yopanga padziko lonse lapansi. Ukadaulo wathu wopanga uyenera kukhala wofanana kapena wapamwamba kuposa waku Japan.

Playboy: Mukukonzekera bwanji kukwaniritsa izi?

Ntchito: Pamene tinapanga Macintosh, tinapanganso makina opangira magalimoto. Tinawononga ndalama zokwana madola 20 miliyoni kupanga fakitale ya makompyuta padziko lonse. Koma izi sizokwanira. M'malo mozisiya pambuyo pa zaka zisanu ndi ziwiri, monga momwe makampani ambiri amachitira, timazigwiritsa ntchito kwa zaka ziwiri. Tidzasiya pofika kumapeto kwa 1985 ndikumanga yatsopano, tidzaigwiritsa ntchito kwa zaka ziwiri ndikuyika ina yatsopano. Chifukwa chake m'zaka zitatu tidzakhala ndi chomera chathu chachitatu chodzipangira okha. Iyi ndi njira yokhayo imene tingaphunzire mofulumira mokwanira.

Playboy: Anthu aku Japan samangopikisana nanu - mwachitsanzo, mumagula ma drive anu a disk kuchokera ku Sony.

Ntchito: Timagula zinthu zambiri kuchokera ku Japan. Ndife ogula kwambiri padziko lonse lapansi opanga ma microprocessors, tchipisi tapamwamba kwambiri ta RAM, ma disk drive ndi kiyibodi. Sitiyenera kuchita khama kwambiri popanga ndi kupanga ma floppy disks kapena ma microprocessors, ndipo timawononga pa mapulogalamu.

Playboy: Tiye tikambirane za mapulogalamu. Ndi kusintha kotani komwe mwawona pakukula kwake m'zaka zaposachedwa?

Ntchito: Zoonadi, kupambana kwenikweni kunali koyambirira - kujambula chinenero cha pulogalamu pa chipangizo cha microprocessor. Kupambana kwina ndi VisiCalc, yomwe kwa nthawi yoyamba idapangitsa kuti zitheke kugwiritsa ntchito kompyuta pochita bizinesi ndikuwonetsa zabwino zowoneka za pulogalamuyi. Izi zisanachitike, mumayenera kukonza mapulogalamu anu, ndipo kuchuluka kwa anthu omwe akufuna kupanga pulogalamu sikuposa peresenti. Kutha kuwonetsa zidziwitso ndikofunikira kwambiri, ndichifukwa chake Lotus inali yofunikira kwambiri.

Playboy: Mukunena zinthu zomwe owerenga athu sangazidziwe. Chonde tiuzeni zambiri.

Ntchito: Lotus yaphatikiza mkonzi wabwino wa spreadsheet ndi pulogalamu yojambula. Zikafika pakukonza mawu ndikusintha ma database, Lotus si pulogalamu yabwino kwambiri pamsika. Ubwino waukulu wa Lotus ndi kuphatikiza kwa tebulo ndi mkonzi wazithunzi komanso kuthekera kosintha mwachangu pakati pawo.

Kupambana kwina kukuchitika pakali pano ndi Macintosh, yomwe imapereka ukadaulo wa Lisa pamtengo wotsika mtengo. Mapulogalamu osinthika alembedwa ndipo adzalembedwera. Koma mukhoza kulankhula za kupambana patangopita zaka zochepa pambuyo pake.

Playboy: Nanga bwanji kukonza mawu? Simunazitchule pamndandanda wazopambana.

Ntchito: Mukunena zowona. Iyenera kupita pambuyo pa VisiCalc. Kukonza mawu ndiye ntchito yodziwika bwino komanso imodzi mwazosavuta kumvetsetsa. Ichi mwina ndi chinthu choyamba chimene anthu ambiri amafuna kompyuta. Olemba zolemba analipo kale makompyuta amunthu, koma mkonzi wamakompyuta wamunthu anali, m'malo mwake, kupambana kwachuma - koma kunalibe zofananira za VisiCalc PC isanabwere.

Playboy: Kodi pakhala zopambana zilizonse pankhani ya mapulogalamu a maphunziro?

Ntchito: Mapulogalamu ambiri abwino adapangidwa, koma panalibe zopambana pamlingo wa VisiCalc. Ndikuganiza kuti ibwera, koma m'zaka ziwiri zikubwerazi.

Playboy: Munatsindika kuti maphunziro ndi chinthu chofunika kwambiri kwa inu. Kodi makompyuta amakhudza bwanji kukula kwake?

Ntchito: Makompyuta pawokha ndi zolemba zomwe sizinapangidwe zidzabweretsa kusintha kwa maphunziro. Takhazikitsa thumba la maphunziro ndipo tipereka zida ndi madola mamiliyoni angapo kwa opanga mapulogalamu amaphunziro ndi masukulu omwe sangakwanitse kugula makompyuta. Tinkafunanso kupanga Macintosh kukhala kompyuta yofunikira kwambiri m'makoleji, monga momwe Apple II idakhala makompyuta ofunikira m'masukulu. Tinaganiza zopeza mayunivesite asanu ndi limodzi omwe angakhale okonzeka kugula zinthu zazikulu—ndikutanthauza makompyuta opitirira chikwi. M'malo mwa asanu ndi limodzi, makumi awiri ndi anayi adayankha. Tidapempha makoleji kuti apereke ndalama zokwana madola mamiliyoni awiri kuti alowe nawo pulogalamu ya Macintosh. Onse makumi awiri ndi anayi, kuphatikiza onse a Ivy Leaguers, adavomereza. Chifukwa chake, Macintosh idakhala zida wamba zamaphunziro aku koleji pasanathe chaka. Macintosh aliwonse omwe tidapanga chaka chino amatha kupita ku imodzi mwa makoleji awa. Inde, izi sizingatheke, koma pali kufunika kotere.

Playboy: Koma pali mapulogalamu?

Ntchito: Ena. Amene sanakhalepo adzalembedwa ndi akatswiri m'makoleji okha. IBM inayesera kutiletsa - ndinamva kuti gulu la anthu 400 linapangidwa kuti lichite izi. Kampaniyo inali kuwapatsa IBM PC. Koma atsogoleri amakoleji ankaona patali. Iwo adazindikira kuti mapulogalamu omwe adzalandira ndi ofunika kwambiri ndipo sankafuna kugwiritsa ntchito ndalama zamakono za IBM. Chifukwa chake nthawi zina adakana zomwe IBM idapereka ndikugula Macintoshes. Ena adagwiritsanso ntchito ndalama zomwe adalandira kuchokera ku IBM pa izi.

Playboy: Kodi mungatchule makoleji awa?

Ntchito: Sindingathe. Sindikufuna kuwalowetsa m'mavuto.

Playboy: Pamene inu nokha munali ku koleji mu nthawi ya kompyuta isanayambe, kodi inu ndi anzanu a m'kalasi munawona chiyani ngati malingaliro aakulu? Mu ndale?

Ntchito: Palibe mnzanga wapa koleji amene adalowa nawo ndale. Onse ankaona kuti kumapeto kwa zaka za m'ma sikisite ndi makumi asanu ndi awiri ndale sizinali zoyenera kusintha dziko. Masiku ano onse ali m’bizinesi, ndipo n’zoseketsa chifukwa panthaŵi ina anthu omwewa anali kuyendayenda ku India wapansi kapena kufunafuna cholinga cha moyo m’njira yawoyawo.

Playboy: Kodi bizinesi ndi kufunafuna phindu sikunali njira zosavuta zothetsera?

Ntchito: Ayi, palibe aliyense wa anthuwa amene amasamala za ndalama. Ndikutanthauza, ambiri a iwo apeza ndalama zambiri, koma sasamala kwenikweni. Moyo wawo sunasinthe. Bizinesi idakhala mwayi kwa iwo kuyesa kukwaniritsa china chake, kulephera, kuchita bwino, kukula ngati munthu. Kwa iwo omwe adafuna kudziwonetsa okha m'zaka khumi zapitazi, ntchito yandale sinali yosankha. Monga munthu yemwe sanakwanitse zaka makumi atatu, ndikhoza kunena kuti: pa makumi awiri muyenera kukhala oleza mtima, kufuna chinachake chatsopano, ndipo mu ndale malingaliro a anthuwa adzakhala osasunthika ndikufota.

Ndikuganiza kuti America imangodzuka panthawi yamavuto. Ndipo zikuwoneka kwa ine kuti kumayambiriro kwa zaka makumi asanu ndi anayi tikukumana ndi vuto lalikulu - mavuto omwe ndale athu amayenera kuthetsa akuyamba kuwonekera. Vutoli likadzabwera, ambiri mwa anthuwa azitha kugwiritsa ntchito luso lawo komanso malingaliro awo pazandale. Mbadwo wokonzeka kwambiri m'mbiri yonse udzalowa ndale. Anthuwa amadziwa kusankha anthu ogwira ntchito, momwe angakwaniritsire zolinga zawo, ndi momwe angatsogolere.

Playboy: Koma ndi zomwe mbadwo watsopano uliwonse umanena?

Ntchito: Tikukhala m’nthawi zosiyana. Kusintha kwaukadaulo kukulumikizana kwambiri ndi chuma chathu komanso anthu onse. Zoposa theka la GNP ya US imachokera ku mafakitale odziwa zambiri-ndipo atsogoleri ambiri andale sanachitepo kanthu pa kusinthaku. Zosankha zofunika kwambiri - kugawa zida, maphunziro a ana athu, ndi zina zotero - zidzapangidwa ndi anthu omwe amamvetsetsa zaukadaulo ndi momwe kupita patsogolo kukuyenda. Osati pano. Mkhalidwe mu gawo la maphunziro uli pafupi ndi tsoka ladziko. M'dziko lomwe chidziwitso ndi zatsopano zili patsogolo, Amereka akukumana ndi ziwopsezo zazikulu zokhala m'mafakitale ngati atataya luso lake laukadaulo komanso luso la utsogoleri lomwe lilipo.

Playboy: Mukunena za kuyika ndalama m'maphunziro, koma sizovuta kupeza ndalama panthawi yomwe kuchepa kwachuma?

Ntchito: M’zaka zisanu zikubwerazi, dziko la America lidzawononga ndalama zambiri pa zida zankhondo kuposa mmene dziko lililonse m’mbiri ya anthu lawonongerapo. Gulu lathu laganiza kuti izi ndizoyenera kugwiritsa ntchito ndalama zathu - chifukwa chake kuchepa kwachuma, chifukwa chake kukwera mtengo kwa likulu lathu. Pakadali pano, Japan, mpikisano wathu wamkulu yemwe ali patsogolo paukadaulo waukadaulo - ndiye kuti, mumakampani opanga ma semiconductor - adakonzanso ndondomeko zamisonkho ndi dongosolo la anthu onse m'njira yoti awonjezere ndalama zogulira m'derali. Zikuwoneka kuti ndi anthu ochepa chabe ku America omwe amawona kugwirizana komwe kulipo pakati pa kuwonongera zida zankhondo ndi kuwonongeka komwe kungatheke kupanga zida zake zopangira semiconductor. Tiyenera kuzindikira kuti ichi ndi chowopsa chotani.

Playboy: Ndipo mukukhulupirira kuti makompyuta athandizira izi.

Ntchito: Ndikuuzani nkhani. Ndinalandira vidiyo yojambulira yomwe sinapangidwe kuti ndiwoneke ndipo ndinapangidwira Komiti ya Chiefs of Staff. Kuchokera pa positiyi ndaphunzira kuti chida chilichonse chanyukiliya chomwe tagwiritsa ntchito ku Europe chimagwiritsidwa ntchito ndi Apple II. Osachepera ndi momwe zinalili zaka zingapo zapitazo. Sitinapereke makompyuta kwa asilikali - ayenera kuti anagulidwa kudzera mwa ogulitsa. Kudziwa kuti makompyuta athu akugwiritsidwa ntchito pazinthu zotere sikunasangalale ndi anzanga. Chokhacho chomwe chimatitonthoza ndikuti asitikali sagwiritsa ntchito TRS-80 kuchokera ku Radio Shack. Ulemerero kwa inu, Ambuye.

Mfundo yanga ndi yakuti chida chilichonse chidzagwiritsidwa ntchito nthawi zonse osati zinthu zosangalatsa kwambiri. Ndipo anthuwo ayenera kuonetsetsa kuti akugwiritsidwa ntchito mwaphindu ndikugwira ntchito zopindulitsa anthu.

Playboy: Kodi makompyuta ndi mapulogalamu azipita bwanji posachedwapa?

Ntchito: Pa nthawiyi, timaona kompyuta ngati wantchito wabwino. Timawapempha kuti agwire ntchito, monga kutenga makiyi athu ndi kulemba kalata moyenerera kapena kupanga tebulo, ndipo amachita ntchito yabwino kwambiri. Mbali imeneyi - kompyuta ngati wantchito - adzakhala bwino kwambiri. Chotsatira ndikusandutsa kompyuta kukhala mkhalapakati kapena kondakitala. Makompyuta adzapeza bwino pakulosera zomwe tikufuna ndikutipatsa zomwe tikufuna, pozindikira maubwenzi ndi machitidwe muzochita zathu, kutifunsa ngati tikufuna kuti izi zitheke. Kenako, zinthu ngati zoyambitsa zidzayambitsidwa. Titha kufunsa makompyuta kuti aziyang'anira zinthu zina - ndipo pamikhalidwe ina, makompyuta adzachitapo kanthu ndikutidziwitsa pambuyo pake.

Playboy: Mwachitsanzo?

Ntchito: Chitsanzo chosavuta ndikuwunika paola kapena tsiku lililonse zamasheya. Mtengo wa magawowo ukangofika pamlingo umodzi kapena wina, kompyutayo imalumikizana ndi broker wanga, kugulitsa magawo pakompyuta, kenako ndikundidziwitsa. Kapena tinene kuti kumapeto kwa mwezi uliwonse, kompyutayo imasakasaka nkhokwe kwa ogulitsa omwe adutsa chandamale ndi 20 peresenti kapena kupitilira apo, ndikuwatumizira imelo yaumwini m'malo mwanga. Ndilandira lipoti la amene adalandira kalata yotere mwezi uno. Tsiku lina makompyuta athu adzatha kugwira ntchito zosachepera zana - kompyuta idzafanana ndi mkhalapakati wathu, woimira. Ndondomekoyi idzakhazikitsidwa m'miyezi 12 ikubwerayi, koma zambiri zidzatenga zaka zina zitatu kuti akwaniritse cholingachi. Ichi chikhala chotsatira chathu chotsatira.

Playboy: Kodi tingathe kuchita zonsezi pa hardware masiku ano? Kapena mutigulitse ina yatsopano?

Ntchito: Zonse? Awa ndi mawu owopsa, sindigwiritsa ntchito. Sindikudziwa yankho lake. Macintosh adapangidwa motsimikiza ndi izi.

Playboy: Mumanyadira kwambiri utsogoleri wa Apple. Mukuganiza bwanji zamakampani akale omwe amakakamizidwa kusewera ndi achichepere kapena kuwonongeka?

Ntchito: Ndizosapeŵeka basi. Ichi ndichifukwa chake ndimakhulupirira kuti imfa ndiye chinthu chachikulu kwambiri chamoyo. Imayeretsa dongosolo la zitsanzo zonse zakale, zakale. Ichi ndi chimodzi mwazovuta zomwe Apple ikukumana nazo. Pamene anyamata awiri abwera ndi chopanga chotsatira chachikulu, tichita chiyani - kuchikumbatira ndikunena kuti ndichabwino? Kodi tidzasiya zitsanzo zathu kapena tidzapeza chowiringula, chifukwa chosachitira izi? Ndikuganiza kuti tichita zoyenera - tidzamvetsetsa chilichonse ndikupanga sitepe yoyenera kukhala yofunika kwambiri.

Playboy: Poganizira za kupambana kwanu, kodi munagundapo mutu wanu kukhoma kuti mumvetse zomwe zikuchitika? Pamapeto pake, kupambana kumeneku kunabwera pafupifupi usiku wonse.

Ntchito: Ndinkaganiza za momwe ndingagulitsire makompyuta miliyoni pachaka - koma ndinkangoganizira. Izi zikachitika zenizeni, ndi nkhani yosiyana kwambiri: "Palibe vuto, zonse ndi zenizeni." Zimandivuta kufotokoza, koma sindikuona ngati kupambana kunabwera usiku umodzi. Chaka chamawa chidzakhala chaka changa chakhumi kukampani. M’mbuyomu, ndinali ndisanachitepo chilichonse kwa chaka chimodzi. Zonse zitayamba, ngakhale miyezi isanu ndi umodzi inali nthawi yayitali kwa ine. Zinapezeka kuti ndakhala ndikugwira ntchito ku Apple moyo wanga wonse wachikulire. Chaka chilichonse ku Apple kumakhala kodzaza ndi mavuto, kupambana, chidziwitso chatsopano ndi zomveka zomwe zimamveka ngati moyo wonse. Kotero ine ndakhala moyo khumi wathunthu.

Playboy: Kodi mukudziwa zomwe mukufuna kudzipereka kwa moyo wanu wonse?

Ntchito: Nthaŵi zambiri ndimalingalira za mwambi wachihindu wakale wakuti: “Zaka makumi atatu zoyambirira za moyo wako ndi pamene umapanga zizoloŵezi zako. Kwa zaka makumi atatu zapitazi za moyo wanu, zizolowezi zimakupangani inu. " Popeza ndimakwanitsa zaka makumi atatu mu February, ndimaganizira kwambiri.

Playboy: Ndiye mukuganiza bwanji?

Ntchito: Sindikudziwa. Ndidzalumikizana ndi Apple kwamuyaya. Ndikukhulupirira kuti ulusi wa moyo wathu ulumikizana mochulukira ndipo tipitiliza kuyenda mogwirana manja. Ndikhoza kupita kwa zaka zingapo, koma tsiku lina ndidzabweranso. Mwina ndi zomwe ndingachite. Ndikofunika kukumbukira kuti ndikadali ndi zambiri zoti ndiphunzire. Ndikulangiza omwe ali ndi chidwi ndi malingaliro anga kuti asaiwale za izi. Osawaona kukhala ofunika kwambiri. Ngati mukufuna kukhala ndi moyo mwaluso, ngati wojambula, simungathe kuyang'ana pozungulira. Muyenera kukhala okonzeka kusiya zonse zomwe mudapanga komanso zomwe muli. Ndife chiyani? Anthu ambiri amaganiza kuti ndife gulu la zizolowezi, machitidwe, zinthu zomwe timakonda ndi zomwe sitikonda. Mfundo zathu zimakhazikika m'chilengedwe chathu, ndipo zochita ndi zisankho zomwe timapanga zimawonetsa zomwe timafunikira. Ndicho chifukwa chake zimakhala zovuta kupereka zoyankhulana, kukhala munthu wamba. Pamene mukukula ndikusintha, dziko lozungulira likuyesera kutsimikizira kuti chithunzi chanu ndi chithunzi chanu, zimakhala zovuta kwambiri kukhalabe wojambula. Ichi ndichifukwa chake ojambula amakonda kuthawa: "Tsopano, ndiyenera kuchoka. Ndikuchita misala ndi chifukwa chake ndikutuluka pano. " Amathawa ndikubisala m'maenje awo. Nthawi zina amabwerera, koma mosiyana pang'ono.

Playboy: Mutha kukwanitsa. Simuyenera kuda nkhawa ndi ndalama. Mukugwirabe ntchito...

Ntchito: [amaseka] Chifukwa cha kudziimba mlandu pa ndalama zopezedwa.

Playboy: Tiye tikambirane za ndalama. Munakhala milionea muli ndi zaka 23 ...

Ntchito: M'chaka chimodzi chuma changa chinaposa 10 miliyoni, ndipo pambuyo pa awiri - 100 miliyoni.

Playboy: Kodi pali kusiyana kotani pakati pa kukhala ndi madola milioni ndi kukhala ndi mazana a mamiliyoni?

Ntchito: Kuwonekera. Chiwerengero cha anthu amene chuma chawo chikupitirira madola milioni imodzi chikupimidwa ndi anthu masauzande ambiri ku United States kokha. Amene ali ndi oposa 10 miliyoni ndi masauzande angapo. Amene ali ndi mamiliyoni zana limodzi kapena kuposerapo, alipo mazana angapo.

Playboy: Kodi ndalama zikutanthauza chiyani kwa inu?

Ntchito: Sindinadziwebe. Kupeza zambiri kuposa momwe mungagwiritsire ntchito moyo wanu wonse ndi udindo waukulu. Ndikumva ngati ndiyenera kugwiritsa ntchito ndalamazi. Kusiyira ana anu cholowa chachikulu n’chinthu choipa. Ndalama zoterozo zidzawononga miyoyo yawo. Ndipo ukafa wopanda mwana, boma litenga ndalamazo. Pafupifupi aliyense amakhulupirira kuti angagwiritse ntchito ndalama kupindulitsa anthu kuposa momwe boma lingachitire. Muyenera kudziwa momwe mungakhalire ndi vutoli komanso momwe mungabwezererenso kudziko lapansi - ndiye kuti, perekani kapena mugwiritse ntchito pofotokoza zomwe mumakonda komanso nkhawa zanu.

Playboy: Ndipo mumapanga bwanji?

Ntchito: Sindikufuna kulankhula za mbali iyi ya moyo wanga. Ndikangopeza nthawi, ndikonza thumba la boma. Panopa ndikugwira ntchito zingapo zapadera.

Playboy: Kupereka chuma chanu chonse kungatengere nthawi yanu yonse.

Ntchito: Inde, koma palibe chimene chingachitike. Ndine wotsimikiza kuti kupereka dola ndikovuta kuposa kupeza.

Playboy: Kodi ndi chifukwa chake simukufulumira kuchita nawo ntchito zachifundo?

Ntchito: Ayi, chifukwa chenichenicho ndi chosavuta. Kuti muchite bwino, muyenera kuphunzira pa zolakwa. Kuti mulole cholakwika, payenera kukhala sikelo yolondola. Koma m’mitundu yambiri yopereka chithandizo chachifundo mulibe mlingo woterowo. Mumapatsa munthu ndalama pa izi kapena ntchitoyo ndipo nthawi zambiri sadziwa motsimikiza ngati ziyembekezo zanu za munthuyu, malingaliro ake kapena kukhazikitsidwa kwawo zinali zolondola kapena ayi. Ngati simungathe kuchita bwino kapena kulakwitsa, ndizovuta kwambiri kukonza. Kupatula apo, anthu ambiri amene amabwera kwa inu samabwera ndi malingaliro abwino, ndipo kupeza malingaliro abwino nokha kumatenga nthawi yambiri ndi khama.

Playboy: Ngati mugwiritsa ntchito kulengeza kwanu kuti mupereke chitsanzo chabwino, bwanji osafuna kukambirana mbali imeneyo ya moyo wanu?

Ntchito: Chifukwa sindinakwaniritse chilichonse. M'dera lino, choyamba, zochita zanu zimalankhula za inu.

Playboy: Kodi ndinu wodzisunga kapena nthawi zina mumalola kuwononga zinthu?

Ntchito: Kuposa china chilichonse padziko lapansi ndimakonda mabuku, sushi ndi... Zinthu zomwe ndimakonda sizimawononga ndalama zambiri. Ndizodziwikiratu kwa ine kuti chinthu chamtengo wapatali chomwe tili nacho ndi nthawi. Ndipotu, ndimalipira bwino ndi moyo wanga waumwini. Ndilibe nthawi yokhala ndi zochitika kapena kuwulukira ku Italy ndikukhala mu cafe kumeneko, ndikudya mozzarella ndi saladi ya phwetekere. Nthawi zina ndimagwiritsa ntchito ndalama zochepa kuti ndidzipulumutse ndekha ndikudzigulira kanthawi kochepa. Ndizomwezo. Ndinagula nyumba ku New York chifukwa ndimakonda mzindawu. Ndikuyesera kudziphunzitsa ndekha - Ndine wochokera ku tauni yaing'ono ku California, ndipo sindikudziwa zosangalatsa ndi chikhalidwe cha mzinda waukulu. Ndimaona mbali imeneyi ya maphunziro anga. Mukudziwa, pali antchito ambiri a Apple omwe amatha kugula chilichonse chomwe akufuna, koma osawononga chilichonse. Ndimadana nazo kuyankhula ngati ndizovuta. Owerenga mwina anganene kuti: o, ndikadakhala ndi mavuto anu. Adzaganiza kuti ndine bulu wamng'ono wodzitukumula.

Playboy: Chuma chanu ndi zomwe mwakwaniritsa zimakulolani kulota zazikulu m'njira yomwe anthu ambiri sangathe. Kodi ufulu umenewu ukukuchititsani mantha?

Ntchito: Mukakhala ndi njira zokwaniritsira maloto anu ndipo kukwaniritsidwa uku kumadalira inu nokha, moyo umakhala wovuta kwambiri. Ndikosavuta kulota za chinthu chodabwitsa pomwe mwayi wopeza zomwe mukufuna uli wochepa. Mukakhala ndi mwayi wobweretsa malingaliro anu kukhala amoyo, muli ndi udindo wowonjezera.

Playboy: Takambirana za mmene mukuonera posachedwapa, nanga bwanji za m’tsogolo? Ngati makompyuta ali m'malo osungira ana, mukuganiza bwanji kusintha komwe kungachitike pamoyo wathu akamakula?

Ntchito: Nditabwerako kuchokera ku India, ndinadzifunsa funso lakuti—chowonadi chachikulu chimene ndinadziphunzira chinali chiyani? Ndikuganiza kuti kulingalira kwanzeru kwa munthu waku Western sizinthu zake zobadwa nazo. Timaphunzira kaganizidwe kameneka. Poyamba, sindinkaganiza kuti ngati sitinaphunzitsidwe, tingaganize mosiyana. Koma zonse zili monga momwe zilili. Mwachionekere, imodzi mwa ntchito yofunika kwambiri ya maphunziro ndiyo kutiphunzitsa kuganiza. Tsopano tikuyamba kumvetsetsa kuti makompyuta akhudza kaganizidwe ka ana athu omwe ali ndi zida izi. Anthu amagwiritsa ntchito zida. Chochititsa chidwi kwambiri ndi bukuli ndikuti mutha kuwerenga zomwe Aristotle adalemba nokha. Simusowa kumvera kutanthauzira kwa mphunzitsi wina. Mukhoza kumvetsera kwa iye ngati mukufuna, koma mukhoza kuwerenga Aristotle nokha. Kutumiza kwachindunji kwa malingaliro ndi malingaliro ndi chimodzi mwazinthu zazikulu zomangira anthu amasiku ano, a ife. Vuto ndi bukhuli ndikuti simungathe kufunsa funso la Aristotle. Ndikuganiza kuti kompyuta ikhoza kutithandiza mwanjira ina ... kuti tigwire zofunikira, mfundo zoyambirira za ndondomeko, zochitika zokumana nazo.

Playboy: Mwachitsanzo?

Ntchito: Ndiroleni ndikupatseni chitsanzo chovuta kwambiri. Masewera oyambirira a Pong adawonetsa mfundo za mphamvu yokoka, mphamvu yokoka, ndi zina zotero, ndipo masewera olowa m'malo aliwonse amawonetsa mfundo zofanana, koma zinali zosiyana ndi zoyambirira - monga momwe zilili m'moyo. Ichi ndi chitsanzo chosavuta. Kupanga mapulogalamu kumatha kuwonetsa mfundo zoyambira, zoyambira ndipo, chifukwa cha kumvetsetsa komwe kulipo, kumathandizira masauzande amitundu yosiyanasiyana, zokumana nazo, zowonera. Bwanji ngati tingathe kujambula chithunzi chonse cha Aristotle cha dziko lapansi, mfundo zoyambirira za malingaliro ake a dziko? Kenako tingamufunse funso. Inde, munganene kuti izi siziri zofanana ndi kulankhula ndi Aristotle mwiniwake. Ife mwina talakwitsa chinachake. Koma mwina ayi.

Playboy: Kungakhale kukambirana kosangalatsa.

Ntchito: Ndendende. Chimodzi mwazovuta ndikuyika chida ichi m'manja mwa anthu mamiliyoni, mamiliyoni makumi ambiri, ndikuchipangitsa kukhala chapamwamba kwambiri. Ndiye, m'kupita kwa nthawi, tingaphunzire, poyamba pafupifupi, ndiyeno mochuluka kwambiri, kupanga zithunzi za Aristotle, Einstein kapena Land - pamene ali moyo. Tangoganizirani mmene zingakhalire zosangalatsa kucheza nawo ndili wachinyamata. Ndipo osati mwa achinyamata okha - mwa okhwima athu! Iyi ndi imodzi mwa ntchito zathu.

Playboy: Mukukonzekera kuthetsa nokha?

Ntchito: Idzapita kwa wina. Iyi ndi ntchito ya m'badwo wotsatira. Ndikuganiza kuti m'munda wathu wa kafukufuku waluntha limodzi mwamavuto osangalatsa kwambiri ndi kukalamba kosangalatsa. Ndikutanthauza, zinthu zikusintha mwachangu kotero kuti pofika kumapeto kwa zaka makumi asanu ndi atatu (XNUMX) tikufuna kupereka zitsogozo ku m'badwo watsopano wokhala ndi malingaliro apamwamba kwambiri. Kuti ayime pamapewa athu ndikuwulukira mmwamba. Funso lochititsa chidwi, simukuganiza? Momwe mungakulire ndi chisomo.

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