{"id":82838,"date":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","date_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka"},"modified":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","modified_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","slug":"uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/ro\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","title":{"rendered":"\u00cendep\u0103rta\u021bi copiii vo\u0219tri de la ecranele noastre albastre sau de ce nu ar trebui s\u0103 cump\u0103ra\u021bi Yandex.Station pentru un copil","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

Aproape acum dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni, am contactat suportul tehnic al Yandex-ului cu privire la filtrarea videoclipurilor \u00een modul pentru copii.<\/p>\n

Sincer, m-a mai \u00eencercat dorin\u021ba de a face o pl\u00e2ngere \u00een leg\u0103tur\u0103 cu con\u021binutul inacceptabil pentru copii, dar, cum se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 de obicei, am am\u00e2nat.<\/p>\n

\u00cen plus \u2014 este Yandex! Ei \u0219tiu mai bine ce ai vrea s\u0103 cau\u021bi.<\/p>\n

Dup\u0103 cum s-a dovedit \u2014 nu sunt chiar cei mai buni.<\/p>\n

\"\u00cendep\u0103rta\u021bi
\n
\nAten\u021bie la simbolul modului pentru copii, situat \u00een col\u021bul din dreapta sus.
\n<\/a><\/noindex>
\nExact aceast\u0103 avertizare \u2014 despre limbajul inadecvat \u0219i 18+ am v\u0103zut-o, c\u00e2nd am \u00eencercat s\u0103-i ar\u0103t copilului un videoclip cu o frumoas\u0103 juc\u0103rie de la MS, de altfel \u2014 juc\u0103ria este pentru 6+.<\/p>\n

Sigur c\u0103 s-au g\u0103sit alte op\u021biuni, dar mi-a r\u0103mas un gust amar.<\/p>\n

Un pic de istorie \u2014 cum am ajuns s\u0103 contactez suportul tehnic.<\/p>\n

Copilul (7 ani) nu este str\u0103in de computere \u0219i gadgeturi, dar nu este obsedat de ele.<\/p>\n

\u00cei place s\u0103 deseneze \u0219i, de obicei, cu ajutorul Alisei \u2014 uit\u00e2ndu-se la monitor, \u00eencearc\u0103 s\u0103 repete ce \u00eenva\u021b\u0103 \u00een ateliere, ascult\u0103 muzic\u0103, danseaz\u0103 \u0219i c\u00e2nt\u0103. <\/p>\n

Se descurc\u0103 foarte bine cu tehnologia \u0219i, dac\u0103 are vreo \u00eentrebare, adesea \u00eencearc\u0103 s\u0103 descopere singur ce nu \u00een\u021belege. Desigur, noi, ca p\u0103rin\u021bi, \u00eentotdeauna explic\u0103m \u0219i povestim, dar copilului \u00eei intereseaz\u0103 \u0219i alt punct de vedere, ceea ce este corect \u00een general. Dar, dup\u0103 cum s-a dovedit \u2014 nu \u00een acest caz.<\/p>\n

Timpul personal \u0219i spa\u021biul personal al copilului trebuie s\u0103 existe, \u0219i o u\u0219\u0103 \u00eenchis\u0103 timp de o or\u0103 sau dou\u0103 pe zi nu m\u0103 deranja deloc \u2014 se uit\u0103 la desene animate, deseneaz\u0103 \u2014 ce poate fi r\u0103u?<\/p>\n

P\u00e2n\u0103 c\u00e2nd nu s-a apropiat \u0219i nu mi-a spus \u00abmi-e fric\u0103\u00bb.<\/p>\n

A dat peste chestii \u00eenfrico\u0219\u0103toare, pe care niciun adult nu ar trebui s\u0103 le vad\u0103. Poate c\u0103 Alisa nu a recunoscut corect cererea, poate prietenele i-au spus ceva \u2014 \u0219i iat\u0103 rezultatul.<\/p>\n

\"\u00cendep\u0103rta\u021bi
\n
\nUn videoclip minunat \u00een modul pentru copii direct de la Yandex \u2014 de pe platforma lor de video, nu-i a\u0219a?
\nDup\u0103 ce am v\u0103zut \u00abasta\u00bb c\u00e2teva minute, am decis s\u0103 contactez suportul tehnic f\u0103r\u0103 \u00eent\u00e2rziere \u2014 pentru c\u0103 a\u0219a ceva \u00een modul pentru copii este inacceptabil \u0219i sper\u00e2nd c\u0103 b\u0103ie\u021bii \u00abvor ajusta doar filtrele\u00bb. Dar nu ar fi fost acest articol, dac\u0103 totul ar fi fost at\u00e2t de simplu.<\/p>\n

O s\u0103 sar peste \u2014 ca s\u0103 nu fie nevoie s\u0103 cite\u0219ti o dat\u0103 lung\u0103 de coresponden\u021b\u0103 cu suportul tehnic.
\nPe scurt: filtrele nu exist\u0103. Noi (Yandex) consider\u0103m c\u0103 totul este \u00een regul\u0103.<\/p>\n

Copilul va vedea tot ce nu are restric\u021bie de v\u00e2rst\u0103 impus\u0103 for\u021bat (de moderatori sau de cei care \u00eencarc\u0103 videoclipuri). Pentru YouTube \u0219i Yandex, care furnizeaz\u0103 \u00een principal con\u021binutul c\u0103tre sta\u021bie, aceasta \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 practic orice videoclip este disponibil, deoarece sunt re\u00eenc\u0103rcate orice videoclipuri f\u0103r\u0103 a se str\u0103dui s\u0103 impun\u0103 restric\u021bii. Toate canalele de \u0219tiri TV de pe hostinguri sunt accesibile (de\u0219i pentru \u0219tiri ar trebui deja s\u0103 se impun\u0103 restric\u021bii de 16+).<\/p>\n

Nu exist\u0103 nici filtrare pe baza cuvintelor cheie ale solicit\u0103rii.<\/p>\n

fir de conversa\u021bie cu suportul tehnic<\/b>
\n 2020-04-07 13:37:40, Ivan
\nSubiectul solicit\u0103rii: O alt\u0103 \u00eentrebare
\n\u00centrebare referitoare la: Filtrarea videoclipurilor \u00een modul pentru copii
\nBun\u0103 ziua!
\n\u00cen set\u0103rile sta\u021biei este activat modul pentru copii, dar filtrarea, din c\u00e2te \u00een\u021beleg, se efectueaz\u0103 doar pe baza cuvintelor cheie.
\nCa rezultat \u2014 de multe ori pe ecran apare un videoclip, care pentru un copil de \u0219apte ani este cu siguran\u021b\u0103 o \"mizerie\". Un astfel de con\u021binut apare regulat at\u00e2t pe YouTube, c\u00e2t \u0219i pe yandex.video.
\nV\u0103 rog s\u0103-mi spune\u021bi, cum pot rezolva aceast\u0103 problem\u0103.<\/p>\n

mar, 7 apr. 2020, 17:03 Yandex.Support
\nBun\u0103, Ivan!
\n\u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, v\u0103 rog s\u0103 ne asigur\u0103m c\u0103 a\u021bi configurat modul de filtrare \u00een sec\u021biunea relevant\u0103 a aplica\u021biei \u201eYandex\u201d: meniu (\u229e) -> \u201eDispozitive\u201d -> \u201eCont\u201d -> \u201eMod de c\u0103utare\u201d.
\nEste corect?
\n\u00cen acest caz, v\u0103 rog s\u0103 specifica\u021bi pe ce resurs\u0103 sunt redate videoclipurile?
\nA\u021bi putea, v\u0103 rog, s\u0103 da\u021bi un exemplu de astfel de videoclip?
\nA\u0219tept r\u0103spunsul dumneavoastr\u0103.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 14:44:36, Ivan
\nBun\u0103 ziua.
\nPrima fotografie \u2014 rezultatul \u00eencerc\u0103rii de a reda Doctor House de pe ecranul de acas\u0103 (refuz). Asta \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 modul pentru copii este activat.
\n\u0218i apoi \u2014 toate celelalte solicit\u0103ri.
\nO solicitare separat\u0103 \u2014 v\u0103 rug\u0103m s\u0103 comenta\u021bi de ce solicitarea de video cu cuv\u00e2ntul cheie \u2018ucidere\u2019 func\u021bioneaz\u0103 \u00een modul pentru copii.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u043f\u0440\u0438\u043b\u043e\u0436\u0438\u043b \u043f\u0430\u0447\u043a\u0443 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0433\u0440\u0430\u0444\u0438\u0439<\/p>\n

mar, 7 apr. 2020, 18:32, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, mul\u021bumesc pentru verificare \u0219i fotografii!
\nPentru a putea analiza mai \u00een detaliu de ce astfel de solicit\u0103ri sunt procesate \u00een modul pentru copii, v\u0103 rog s\u0103 specifica\u021bi ce comenzi a\u021bi dat lui Alice.<\/p>\n

2020-04-07 15:56:27, Ivan
\nnumele fi\u0219ierului \u2014 comand\u0103 (sau rezultat)
\n01_IMG_20200407_172234<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201ealice, g\u0103se\u0219te pe internet videoclipul ori \u0219i the blind forest\u201d
\n02_IMG_20200407_172219<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 rezultatul solicit\u0103rii anterioare
\n03_IMG_20200407_172158<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 videoclip 1 al solicit\u0103rii anterioare
\n04_IMG_20200407_172224<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 videoclip 1 al solicit\u0103rii anterioare
\n05_IMG_20200407_172105<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201ealice, red\u0103 Doctor House\u201d
\n06_IMG_20200407_172533<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201ealice, g\u0103se\u0219te pe internet videoclipul prank mizerie\u201d
\n07_IMG_20200407_172837<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201eAlice, caut\u0103 pe internet videoclipul cu ucideri\u201d (cerere)
\n08_IMG_20200407_172907<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201eAlice, caut\u0103 pe internet videoclipul cu ucideri\u201d (rezultat)
\n09_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 videoclip 1 al solicit\u0103rii anterioare
\n10_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 videoclip 2 din cererea anterioar\u0103
\n11_IMG_20200407_172351<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201eAlice, caut\u0103 pe internet videoclipul cu Momo\u201d
\n12_IMG_20200407_172428<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 videoclip 1 din cererea anterioar\u0103
\n13_IMG_20200407_172944<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 fotografie cu informa\u021bii despre sta\u021bie
\nam \u00eemp\u0103r\u021bit \u00een \u201ecereri\u201d, am redenumit fi\u0219ierele pentru comoditate \u0219i le-am ata\u0219at din nou e-mailului.
\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u043e\u0444\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0438\u043b \u0441\u0441\u044b\u043b\u043a\u0430\u043c\u0438 \u043d\u0430 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e<\/p>\n

mar\u021bi, 7 apr. 2020, 20:33 Yandex.Support
\nIvan, mul\u021bumesc c\u0103 ai redenumit fotografiile \u0219i ai semnat comenzile \u0219i rezultatele.
\nAm transmis toate informa\u021biile speciali\u0219tilor responsabili. Ne va lua ceva timp s\u0103 \u00een\u021belegem cauza problemei \u0219i s\u0103 studiem de ce Alice proceseaz\u0103 comenzile \u0219i afi\u0219eaz\u0103 astfel de rezultate.
\nDe \u00eendat\u0103 ce am ve\u0219ti, te voi contacta!<\/p>\n

2020-04-12 15:24:41, Ivan
\nBun\u0103 ziua! Ave\u021bi ve\u0219ti cu privire la problema mea?<\/p>\n

dum, 12 apr. 2020, 18:49, Yandex.Support
\nBun\u0103, Ivan!
\nDin p\u0103cate, \u00eenc\u0103 nu avem nout\u0103\u021bi, speciali\u0219tii no\u0219tri lucreaz\u0103 \u00een continuare la problema ta.
\n\u00ce\u021bi voi scrie cu siguran\u021b\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd voi avea informa\u021bii!<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 17:3:17, Ivan
\nBun\u0103 ziua! Acum dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ini am f\u0103cut o \u00eentrebare despre func\u021bionalitatea pe care o declara\u021bi ca fiind de baz\u0103, adic\u0103 disponibil\u0103 implicit pentru activare \u0219i utilizare.
\nModul pentru copii este men\u021bionat chiar \u00een publicitate \u2013 foarte recent am primit o promo\u021bie de la voi, \u00een care \u00een titlu era scris cu litere mari \u201e0+\u201d, ceea ce (a\u0219a cum s-a dovedit) nu corespunde realit\u0103\u021bii.
\nMaterialele solicitate de voi (comenzi vocale, capturi de ecran etc.) le-am furnizat.
\nTe rog, explic\u0103-mi \u2013 de ce dureaz\u0103 at\u00e2t de mult s\u0103 se rezolve problema mea?<\/p>\n

lun, 20 apr. 2020, 20:51 Yandex.Support
\nBun\u0103, Ivan!
\nMul\u021bumesc c\u0103 ne-ai spus despre aceast\u0103 situa\u021bie.
\nAcum acest mod filtreaz\u0103 con\u021binutul astfel \u00eenc\u00e2t s\u0103 nu permit\u0103 afi\u0219area videoclipurilor dure sau a videoclipurilor cu con\u021binut sexual.
\nAm transmis observa\u021biile tale speciali\u0219tilor. Vom lucra pentru \u00eembun\u0103t\u0103\u021birea modului pentru copii.<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 18:6:47, Ivan
\nAm raportat despre aceast\u0103 situa\u021bie acum dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni. Acum \u00eentreb, de ce problema se rezolv\u0103 at\u00e2t de lent.<\/p>\n

lun, 20 apr. 2020, 21:42 Yandex.Support
\nIvan, da, ai dreptate.
\nPrin mesajul meu am vrut s\u0103 atrag aten\u021bia asupra faptului c\u0103 opinia ta este important\u0103 pentru noi. Toate informa\u021biile au fost deja transmise speciali\u0219tilor responsabili.
\n\u00cen prezent, modul pentru copii func\u021bioneaz\u0103 \u00een acest mod, dar am notat cererea dumneavoastr\u0103 de a \u00eembun\u0103t\u0103\u021bi filtrarea con\u021binutului \u00een acest mod.
\nDin p\u0103cate, nu pot spune c\u00e2nd va fi implementat acest lucru, dar not\u0103m totul \u0219i ne str\u0103duim s\u0103 \u00eel realiz\u0103m \u00een viitor.<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 18:46:11, Ivan
\nEste minunat, dar de ce v\u0103d eticheta 0+, dac\u0103 aceasta nu func\u021bioneaz\u0103 de fapt?<\/p>\n

2020-04-20 19:15:43, Yandex.Support
\nIvan, voi discuta aceast\u0103 problem\u0103 cu colegii. C\u00e2nd primesc un r\u0103spuns, voi lua leg\u0103tura cu tine.
\nTe rog, a\u0219teapt\u0103 mesajul meu.<\/p>\n

mar\u021bi, 21 apr. 2020, 15:26, Yandex.Support
\nIlya, mul\u021bumesc pentru a\u0219teptare.
\nVideoclipurile din exemplele pe care le-a\u021bi men\u021bionat sunt considerate acceptabile pentru modul familial \u00een acest moment.
\nAcum lucr\u0103m la un filtru mai strict pentru modul pentru copii.
\n\/\/\u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0418\u043b\u044c\u044f \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n

2020-04-21 12:52:12, Ivan
\nPermite\u021bi-mi s\u0103 clarific \u2014 cine sunt considera\u021bi acceptabili pentru videoclipurile 0+ din exemple?
\nNu am g\u0103sit restric\u021bii mai stricte (dec\u00e2t cele actuale) \u2014 prin urmare, av\u00e2nd \u00een vedere publicitatea, acesta este modul 0+.
\n\u00cen Legea Federal\u0103 436-FZ sunt descrise clar clasific\u0103rile de v\u00e2rst\u0103 \u0219i pentru 0+ se interzic categoric obscenit\u0103\u021bile, violen\u021ba \u0219i povestirile \u00eenfrico\u0219\u0103toare.
\nDe la prima mea solicitare au trecut dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni \u0219i acum scrie\u021bi \u00een numele Yandex c\u0103 acest lucru este acceptabil?
\nDac\u0103 Yandex \u00ee\u0219i permite s\u0103 ignore Legea Federal\u0103, pot s\u0103 \u00eemi permit s\u0103 nu cer, ci s\u0103 cer s\u0103 se rezolve imediat aceast\u0103 problem\u0103.
\nYandex are exact o zi de la trimiterea scrisorii mele privind corectarea modului pentru copii \u00een baza exemplelor men\u021bionate de mine.
\nDac\u0103 nu vor fi corec\u021bii \u2014 vor urma sesiz\u0103ri \u0219i articole din partea mea la Roskomnadzor, Sportloto, Pikabu, Habr \u0219i canalul de televiziune RenTV.
\nMul\u021bumesc pentru aten\u021bie, timpul a \u00eenceput s\u0103 curg\u0103.<\/p>\n

mar\u021bi, 21 apr. 2020, 17:49 Yandex.Support
\nIlya, te \u00een\u021beleg. Din p\u0103cate, nu se pot face modific\u0103ri \u00eentr-un astfel de proces complicat de filtrare a con\u021binutului \u00een at\u00e2t de scurt timp. Dar am transmis scrisoarea ta celor responsabili. \u00ce\u021bi voi scrie c\u00e2nd vor fi nout\u0103\u021bi!<\/p>\n

21 apr. 2020, 17:55, Ivan
\nDomnilor, a\u021bi avut dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni.
\nDup\u0103 care mi-a\u021bi comunicat c\u0103 acest con\u021binut este acceptabil. Din p\u0103cate, dar eu (\u0219i legea federal\u0103) nu sunt de acord cu voi.
\nS\u0103 mai a\u0219tept \u00eenc\u0103 dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni? Mul\u021bumesc, am a\u0219teptat deja.
\nAm men\u021bionat timpul, restul depinde de voi.
\n\/\/\u0434\u0443\u043c\u0430\u044e, \u0447\u0438\u0442\u0430\u044f \u044d\u0442\u0443 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c\u044e \u0432\u0430\u043c \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u043b\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442\u043d\u043e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0440\u0435\u0437\u0443\u043b\u044c\u0442\u0430\u0442\u0430 \u043d\u0435\u0442<\/p>\n

\u0218i nu, aceasta nu este o pl\u00e2ngere. Se poate pl\u00e2nge de probleme personale, dar problemele mentale pot ap\u0103rea oric\u00e2nd la orice copil care \u0219tie s\u0103 vorbeasc\u0103 cu Yandex.Station.<\/p>\n

Sper c\u0103 iluminarea acestei probleme va ajuta la \u00eembun\u0103t\u0103\u021birea filtr\u0103rii YS \u0219i p\u0103rin\u021bii vor fi informa\u021bi cu privire la juc\u0103ria periculoas\u0103.<\/p>\n

\u0218i da, voi scrie cu siguran\u021b\u0103 la RCN.<\/p>\n

UPD: R\u0103spunsul Yandex \u00een comentarii<\/a><\/noindex>
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