{"id":33998,"date":"2019-10-31T21:55:51","date_gmt":"2019-10-31T18:55:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/kak-my-delaem-internet-2-0-nezavisimyj-detsentralizovannyj-i-po-nastoyashhemu-suverennyj\/"},"modified":"2019-10-31T21:55:51","modified_gmt":"2019-10-31T18:55:51","slug":"kak-my-delaem-internet-2-0-nezavisimyj-detsentralizovannyj-i-po-nastoyashhemu-suverennyj","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/sk\/blog\/administrirovanie\/kak-my-delaem-internet-2-0-nezavisimyj-detsentralizovannyj-i-po-nastoyashhemu-suverennyj","title":{"rendered":"Ako rob\u00edme \"Internet 2.0\" \u2014 nez\u00e1visl\u00fd, decentralizovan\u00fd a skuto\u010dne suver\u00e9nny","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

Ahoj, komunita!<\/p>\n

18. m\u00e1ja sa v moskovskom parku Caricyno konala z\u00e1verov\u00e1 sch\u00f4dzka syst\u00e9mov\u00fdch oper\u00e1torov bodov siete \u201eMedium\u201c<\/a><\/noindex>.<\/p>\n

V tomto \u010dl\u00e1nku je uveden\u00fd prepis z miesta udalost\u00ed: hovorili sme o dlhodob\u00fdch pl\u00e1noch rozvoja siete \u201eMedium\u201c, potrebe uplatnenia HTTPS pre eepsites pri pou\u017e\u00edvan\u00ed siete \u201eMedium\u201c, nasaden\u00ed soci\u00e1lnej siete v r\u00e1mci siete I2P a mnohom \u010fal\u0161om.<\/p>\n

V\u0161etko zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 \u2014 pod katom.<\/p>\n

\"Ako
\n<\/a><\/noindex><\/p>\n

1) Toto je dlh\u00fd \u010dl\u00e1nok.
\n2) Toto je otvoren\u00e1 diskusia: m\u00f4\u017eete sa zapoji\u0165 do debaty v koment\u00e1roch publik\u00e1cie.
\n3) Mena \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edkov boli skr\u00e1tan\u00e9 kv\u00f4li dodr\u017eaniu d\u00f4vernosti a \u010ditate\u013enosti.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\nPodcast<\/noindex> \u2022 Tento \u010dl\u00e1nok je na GitHub-e<\/noindex> \u2022 \u010co je \u201eMedium\u201c?<\/a><\/noindex><\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Dnes chceme vzbudi\u0165 d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky t\u00fdkaj\u00face sa organiz\u00e1cie siete - dlhodob\u00e9 pl\u00e1ny a podobne. Tak, u\u017e sme trocha za\u010dali, predbe\u017ene sme prerokovali probl\u00e9m disidentov. Niektor\u00ed boli znepokojen\u00ed negat\u00edvnou kritikou v koment\u00e1roch, \u017ee pr\u00eddu zl\u00ed chlapci a v\u0161etk\u00fdch zatkn\u00fa.<\/p>\n

Aby sa dostali na ak\u00fako\u013evek konferenciu provok\u00e1tori a za\u010dali provokova\u0165, potrebujeme sa venova\u0165 nie\u010domu nez\u00e1konn\u00e9mu - a m\u00e1me dokonca pod\u013ea pr\u00e1vnych aktov, ktor\u00e9 existuj\u00fa, - prev\u00e1dzame Wi-Fi body - po prv\u00e9, nie sme pr\u00e1vnick\u00e9 osoby, po druh\u00e9, nepren\u00e1\u0161ame internet - len I2P.<\/p>\n

Na programe m\u00e1me ak\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky: po prv\u00e9, to je Yggdrasil, ktor\u00fd n\u00e1m ned\u00e1 pokoja ani za d\u0148a, ani v noci, \u017ee?<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> Pr\u00e1vna str\u00e1nka...<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Pr\u00e1vna str\u00e1nka - to \u00e1no - teraz sa n\u00e1\u0161 priate\u013e z\u00fa\u010dastn\u00ed, prediskutujeme. \u010ealej - chceli sme e\u0161te diskutova\u0165 o soci\u00e1lnej sieti - je napoly \u017eiv\u00e1, napoly m\u0155tva...<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> M\u00f4\u017eeme spusti\u0165 HumHub v Yggdrasile?<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Vlastne, \u00e1no. Ale na\u010do ho sp\u00fa\u0161\u0165a\u0165 - ke\u010f m\u00f4\u017eeme jednoducho poskytn\u00fa\u0165 pr\u00edstup?<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> \u00c1no, to nie je zl\u00e9.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Teda, ot\u00e1zka je ve\u013emi aktu\u00e1lna pokia\u013e ide o prenos - I2P je pomal\u00fd a koncept siete na \u00farovni protokolu nepredpoklad\u00e1, \u017ee bude ve\u013emi r\u00fdchla. To je norm\u00e1lne. Z poh\u013eadu be\u017en\u00e9ho pou\u017e\u00edvate\u013ea, to samozrejme nie je dobr\u00e9.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Viac ne\u017e dos\u0165. Inak, ot\u00e1zka oh\u013eadom bodov: povedzme, \u017ee uzly na ur\u010dit\u00fdch miestach m\u00f4\u017eeme umiestni\u0165, ktor\u00e9 bud\u00fa fungova\u0165 nepretr\u017eite - rob\u00edte to tak?<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> No, vlastne, \u00e1no: v podstate je \u201eMedium\u201c decentralizovan\u00fd poskytovate\u013e, kde ka\u017ed\u00fd oper\u00e1tor so svojimi bodmi je svoj\u00edm ISP, t.j. poskytovate\u013eom.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> S\u00e1m sebe poskytovate\u013e.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> \u00c1no: s\u00e1m sebe poskytovate\u013e. \u010ci\u017ee nez\u00e1visl\u00fd, decentralizovan\u00fd a suver\u00e9nny.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> A \u010do t\u00ed, ktor\u00ed nebud\u00fa neust\u00e1le online \u2014 bud\u00fa sa prip\u00e1ja\u0165 a odpoji\u0165? Tak \u010di onak, najbli\u017e\u0161ie uzly bud\u00fa v\u0161etky pripojen\u00e9 a existuje nie\u010do ako verejn\u00fd peer.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Nie, probl\u00e9m je v tom, \u017ee tak\u00e9 uzly ozna\u010dujeme ako semi-available, a na tom nie je ni\u010d zl\u00e9. Vlastne, len panel bude namiesto zelenej \u2014 \u017elt\u00fd.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Nie, no, \u010do sa r\u00fdchlosti t\u00fdka \u2014 nie v\u0161etk\u00fdch bude zauj\u00edma\u0165 neust\u00e1le pripojenie.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Vlastne, \u00e1no. Ale tento pr\u00edstup je problematick\u00fd v tom, \u017ee nemo\u017eno zaru\u010di\u0165 autenticitu v\u0161etk\u00fdch bodov, \u017ee sa bud\u00fa spr\u00e1va\u0165 rovnako. Niekto m\u00f4\u017ee kona\u0165 pod\u013ea svojich vlastn\u00fdch pravidiel.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> To je \u0161pecifik\u00e1cia zariadenia...<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> To je \u0161pecifik\u00e1cia ak\u00fdchko\u013evek decentralizovan\u00fdch siet\u00ed. V princ\u00edpe. Nenech\u00e1va sa to len na zariadeniach, ale aj na oper\u00e1toroch \u2014 no, ak sa mu nie\u010do nep\u00e1\u010di, m\u00f4\u017ee sa rozhodn\u00fa\u0165 blokova\u0165.<\/p>\n

Od na\u0161ej autenticity t\u00fdchto bodov, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee s\u00fa v\u0161etky rovnako nakonfigurovan\u00e9, z\u00e1vis\u00ed bezpe\u010dnos\u0165 pou\u017e\u00edvate\u013eov. Nie v\u0161etci s\u00fa g\u00e9niovia-hackeri, ktor\u00ed ch\u00e1pu, pre\u010do nem\u00f4\u017eete napr\u00edklad bez HTTPS v sieti I2P zad\u00e1va\u0165 hesl\u00e1, ke\u010f sa prip\u00e1jate cez 'Medium'; to jest, predpoklad\u00e1 sa, \u017ee je to bezpe\u010dn\u00e9, ale ak pou\u017e\u00edvate 'Medium', potom...<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> Uvid\u00edme va\u0161e hesl\u00e1!<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> \u00c1no. Mus\u00edme pou\u017e\u00edva\u0165 tak\u00e9to opatrenia opatrnosti.<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> Preto, kv\u00f4li bezpe\u010dnosti, pros\u00edm, vytvorte dlh\u00e9, zlo\u017eit\u00fdch hesiel!<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> A, nie, probl\u00e9m je v tom, \u017ee to nezachr\u00e1ni pred p\u00e1nom majorom \u2014 m\u00e1m na mysli, \u017ee pova\u017eujeme ka\u017ed\u00fd bod 'Medium' za predpokladan\u00fd ako skompromitovan\u00fd a za n\u00edm stoj\u00ed p\u00e1n major.<\/p>\n

Nem\u00f4\u017ee\u0161 sa pripoji\u0165 do siete I2P bez HTTPS, preto\u017ee v\u0161etky \u00fadaje, ktor\u00e9 sa nach\u00e1dzaj\u00fa medzi spojovac\u00edm uzlom, teda routerom, a \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edkom, sa u\u017e pren\u00e1\u0161aj\u00fa v ne\u0161ifrovanej podobe, \u010do nie je bezpe\u010dn\u00e9. \u010ci\u017ee, z tejto perspekt\u00edvy, treba zastavi\u0165 ak\u00e9ko\u013evek tak\u00e9 pou\u017eitie.<\/p>\n

M. S.<\/b> E\u0161te k bodom, ktor\u00e9 sa nemusia nach\u00e1dza\u0165 priamo u v\u00e1s doma alebo na chate; body, ktor\u00e9 by mohli by\u0165 pripojen\u00e9 k ur\u010dit\u00e9mu zdroju nap\u00e1jania a mohli by by\u0165 umiestnen\u00e9 v nejakej parku, preto\u017ee v s\u00fa\u010dasnosti potrebujeme ak\u00e9si pokrytie...<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> Dobrovo\u013ene-nasilne umiestni\u0165 u zn\u00e1mych a pr\u00edbuzn\u00fdch.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Nakreslili ste si v\u00f4bec pribli\u017en\u00fd pl\u00e1n na papieri, ako to bude vyzera\u0165? Alebo sa to zatia\u013e iba tak diskutovalo?<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> V podstate sme t\u00fa ot\u00e1zku ani nemali, aby sme brali papier a nie\u010do kreslili. \u010co by sme mali kresli\u0165? V\u0161etko je u\u017e aj tak ve\u013emi jasn\u00e9 a zrozumite\u013en\u00e9.<\/p>\n

\nM. P.:<\/b> No, v podstate by sme mali \u201eMedium\u201c porovna\u0165 s benign\u00fdm n\u00e1dorom, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee k\u00fdm ho je m\u00e1lo, nie je vidite\u013en\u00fd a nikomu nez\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed. Ke\u010f je ho ve\u013ea \u2013 \u010do sa d\u00e1 s t\u00fdm u\u017e robi\u0165?<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Pok pokia\u013e ide o obavy z kontroly komunik\u00e1cie, v\u0161etci ch\u00e1peme, \u017ee s\u00fa tu \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed chc\u00fa kontrolova\u0165 absol\u00fatne v\u0161etko.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Objavuje sa tak\u00fd disonanc: v centralizovanom \u0161t\u00e1te \u2013 decentralizovan\u00e9 siete.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> A k ot\u00e1zke, \u017ee internet sa na za\u010diatku rozv\u00edjal z\u00e1sluhou s\u00fakromn\u00fdch os\u00f4b, preto nem\u00e1me \u017eiadne \u0165a\u017ekosti, ako v \u010c\u00edne.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Nemali by sme porovn\u00e1va\u0165 s \u010c\u00ednou z jedn\u00e9ho d\u00f4vodu: percento \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed tam ovl\u00e1daj\u00fa angli\u010dtinu, je ve\u013emi mal\u00e9. Pre\u010do by potrebovali in\u00fd internet? V\u00f4bec sa to ich net\u00fdka.<\/p>\n

Hovoril som s jedn\u00fdm \u010c\u00ed\u0148anom, v\u0161etko sa d\u00e1 ob\u00eds\u0165.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Nie, mus\u00edme pochopi\u0165, v ktor\u00fdch miestach s\u00fa \u013eudia ochotn\u00ed\u2026<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Niekde zisti\u0165 hranicu t\u00fdch nejasn\u00fdch momentov\u2026<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Vytv\u00e1ra\u0165 bod ved\u013ea FSB je priama provok\u00e1cia, nerobte to.<\/p>\n

Ak, zjednodu\u0161ene povedan\u00e9, umiestnite router niekde na poli, ktor\u00fd bude nie\u010do vysiela\u0165 \u2013 nu\u017e a \u010do.<\/p>\n

Nerobte provok\u00e1ciu. A je to cel\u00e9.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> V ot\u00e1zke provok\u00e1cie som \u00faplne s\u00fahlasn\u00fd.<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> Teraz sa t\u00fdchto podobn\u00fdch vec\u00ed rozmno\u017eilo ve\u013emi ve\u013ea.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee na\u0161a poz\u00edcia spo\u010d\u00edva v zachovan\u00ed neutrality, pokoja\u2026 A neprekra\u010dova\u0165 hranice, povedzme. A v\u0161etko.<\/p>\n

Predsa nebudeme organizova\u0165 nejak\u00e9 NPO \u2013 v\u0161etko sa zaklad\u00e1 na dobrovo\u013en\u00fdch z\u00e1kladoch. V podstate, \u201eMedium\u201c je len n\u00e1zov bodu. SSID. Ni\u010d nie je monetizovan\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Ak \u0161t\u00e1t za\u010dne terorizova\u0165 pou\u017e\u00edvate\u013eov \u2013 to je u\u017e ot\u00e1zka k \u00faradom, nie k pou\u017e\u00edvate\u013eom.<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> M\u00e1me pr\u00edli\u0161 ve\u013ek\u00fa paranoju oh\u013eadom toho, \u017ee by sa vl\u00e1da zauj\u00edmala.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> St\u00e1le s\u0165ahujeme z torrentov, pozer\u00e1me pir\u00e1tske filmy, seri\u00e1ly \u2013 to nie je d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9. Netr\u00e1pime sa t\u00fdm. A ke\u010f sa niekto rozhodne vytvori\u0165 decentralizovan\u00fa soci\u00e1lnu sie\u0165 \u2013 zrazu niekde za\u010dne hovorenie o n\u00e1hlej nebezpe\u010dnosti.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Rizik\u00e1 s\u00fa pr\u00edli\u0161 prehnan\u00e9.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Preto neviem, ako ve\u013emi je vo v\u0161eobecnosti rozumn\u00e9 sa t\u00fdm zaobera\u0165\u2026 Nikto si nebude l\u00e1ma\u0165 hlavu, aby sa dostal k nejak\u00e9mu nad\u0161encovi, ktor\u00fd len tak pre z\u00e1bavu rob\u00ed nie\u010do.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Ak nebudeme p\u00edsa\u0165 \u010d\u00edslo bytu \u2014 tak ur\u010dite!<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Nie, na\u010do? Ot\u00e1zka je \u2014 na\u010do?<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> My to ani neurob\u00edme.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Na \u00abVKontakte\u00bb existuje v s\u00fa\u010dasnosti obrovsk\u00e9 mno\u017estvo dos\u0165 radik\u00e1lnych skup\u00edn. Ot\u00e1zka: ko\u013eko z nich sa za de\u0148 zatvor\u00ed?<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> V\u0161etky tieto, op\u00e4\u0165 raz, aktu\u00e1lne, \u2014 podpora pre paranoiu, \u2014 zat\u00fdkanie za reposty \u2014 sa deje na z\u00e1klade udania.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> A rob\u00ed sa to dokonca nie selekt\u00edvne \u2014 jednoducho n\u00e1hodne: hop! A hotovo: aby splnili pl\u00e1n.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Kto by mal sedie\u0165 v decentralizovanom malom projekte, aby bol zauj\u00edmav\u00fd pre \u013eud\u00ed v uniform\u00e1ch, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa ve\u013emi konzervat\u00edvni vo svojom myslen\u00ed? Toto by mohlo zauj\u00edma\u0165 nejak\u00fdch odborn\u00edkov, ale ko\u013eko tak\u00fdchto projektov e\u0161te existuje?<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Samozrejme, vezmite napr\u00edklad Yggdrasil, Hyperboria\u2026<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> U n\u00e1s sa linux poriadne nenain\u0161taluje.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> A e\u0161te raz: odmena za chytenie tak\u00fdch dos\u0165 nepotrebn\u00fdch pre ich pr\u00e1cu \u013eud\u00ed \u2014 \u017eiadna. T.j. \u010do z toho dostan\u00fa?<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> No a ak vezmeme za pr\u00edklad pr\u00edbeh s Bohatovom, matematikom?<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Pr\u00edbeh s Bohatovom je pr\u00edbeh, ke\u010f kamar\u00e1t, povedzme, \u00e1no: nastavil uzol, cez ktor\u00fd niekto niekomu hrozil\u2026<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> No, tu je v\u0161etko jasn\u00e9 \u2014 bral na seba v\u0161etky tieto rizik\u00e1\u2026<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> \u00c1no. Po prv\u00e9, bral na seba rizik\u00e1, a po druh\u00e9, prep\u00e1\u010dte, tam naozaj bola tak\u00e1 rezonuj\u00faca z\u00e1le\u017eitos\u0165. E\u0161te raz: kto tu a teraz bude nie\u010do robi\u0165 cez t\u00fato sie\u0165?<\/p>\n

Teraz do nej pr\u00eddu v\u00fdlu\u010dne t\u00ed, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa o tento projekt ako tak\u00fd naozaj zainteresovan\u00ed: nie preto, aby nie\u010do realizovali alebo sa dohadovali o dod\u00e1vkach drog, alebo niekoho zab\u00edjali\u2026<\/p>\n

Podstata spo\u010d\u00edva v tom, \u017ee ak sa to niekedy stane d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 pre niekoho, tak sa to stane vtedy, ke\u010f sa nahromad\u00ed kritick\u00e1 masa. A nie je ist\u00e9, \u017ee sa to nahromad\u00ed.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Aj keby to bolo zauj\u00edmav\u00e9 pre politikov, ktor\u00ed, povedzme si \u00faprimne, ve\u013emi nerozumej\u00fa princ\u00edpom fungovania glob\u00e1lnej siete\u2026<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Och, to u\u017e je \u00faplne in\u00e1 t\u00e9ma\u2026 \u010co s\u00fa to \u0161ifrovacie k\u013e\u00fa\u010de? \u0160ifrovacie k\u013e\u00fa\u010de s\u00fa predov\u0161etk\u00fdm d\u00f4vera. Je to \u00farove\u0148 \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed sa vyjadruj\u00fa na t\u00e9mu \u0161ifrovac\u00edch k\u013e\u00fa\u010dov. Pristupuj\u00fa k \u010dloveku, ktor\u00fd nie\u010do \u010d\u00edtal z trib\u00fany o tom, \u017ee s\u00fa potrebn\u00e9 \u0161ifrovacie k\u013e\u00fa\u010de \u2014 ako\u017ee odborn\u00edk \u2014 a p\u00fdtaj\u00fa sa: \u010do s\u00fa to \u0161ifrovacie k\u013e\u00fa\u010de? Odpoved\u00e1, \u017ee treba sa op\u00fdta\u0165 odborn\u00edkov, hoci on je tam vlastne odborn\u00edk.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Teda, pre nich je najd\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161ie, aby cie\u013e od\u00f4vod\u0148oval prostriedky. Ale tu m\u00f4\u017eeme uvies\u0165 ve\u013ea pr\u00edkladov: niektor\u00ed ani nevedia odpoveda\u0165, \u010do je IP \u2014 Internet Protocol.<\/p>\n

\nM. P.:<\/b> Teraz navrhujem diskutova\u0165 o transporte. Teda, mali sme I2P a m\u00e1me Yggdrasil. Je tu mo\u017enos\u0165 namiesto I2P nasadi\u0165 Yggdrasil.<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> Mo\u017enos\u0165 je dobr\u00e1.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Potrebn\u00e9 s\u00fa koment\u00e1re. Pre\u010do? Mus\u00ed existova\u0165 nejak\u00fd v\u00e1\u017eny argument.<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> Yggdrasil bude r\u00fdchlej\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> A len preto? Ale aspo\u0148 ur\u010di\u0165 \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edkov je omnoho jednoduch\u0161ie. \u0160ifrovanie tam samozrejme je, priamo z krabice \u2014 to je samozrejme dobr\u00e9, ale nie ako v I2P.<\/p>\n

I2P je zl\u00fd v tom: je pomal\u00fd. Ale! V akejko\u013evek knihe o kryptografii, ktor\u00fa otvor\u00edte, v\u00e1m od prv\u00fdch str\u00e1nok bud\u00fa hovori\u0165 \u2014 vyberte si: bu\u010f r\u00fdchlo, alebo bezpe\u010dne. Z tohto h\u013eadiska I2P uspokojuje, napriek hlasom \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed hovoria: \u201eNie, nebudeme to pou\u017e\u00edva\u0165, tam niet v\u00f4bec ni\u010d\u201c. No, ako\u017ee niet? Tu, my sme HumHub nasadili.<\/p>\n

Teda, tu op\u00e4\u0165 mus\u00edme vybra\u0165: \u010do uprednost\u0148ujeme \u2014 Yggdrasil je dobr\u00fd, ke\u010f je ve\u013ea bodov a trafiku ide nie cez internet \u2014 ale medzi samotn\u00fdmi bodmi.<\/p>\n

\nM. P.:<\/b> Kame\u0148 \u00farazu je pre n\u00e1s \u2014 bu\u010f r\u00fdchlos\u0165, alebo bezpe\u010dnos\u0165. \u010co chceme? Tu je probl\u00e9m, rozumiete: spojenie medzi predplatite\u013eom \u201eMedium\u201c a bodom I2P \u2014 nie je bezpe\u010dn\u00e9. Teda, potrebujeme, aby zdroje, ktor\u00e9 poskytujeme, u\u017e boli s HTTPS \u2014 teda, transportn\u00e1 \u00farove\u0148 bezpe\u010dnosti. Preto\u017ee trafiku sa de\u0161ifruje na smerova\u010di I2P u oper\u00e1tora a pren\u00e1\u0161a sa po nezabezpe\u010denom kan\u00e1li k n\u00e1m.<\/p>\n

Ot\u00e1zka je, ako zabezpe\u010di\u0165 potenci\u00e1lnych pou\u017e\u00edvate\u013eov: najjednoduch\u0161ie radik\u00e1lne rie\u0161enie \u2014 nasadi\u0165 park zdrojov \u2014 f\u00f3rum, imd\u017eborda, soci\u00e1lnu sie\u0165 a priviaza\u0165 ich v\u0161etky na HTTPS.<\/p>\n

\u0160.:<\/b> M\u00f4\u017eete dokonca pripoji\u0165 nejak\u00e9ho messengera.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Ale m\u00f4\u017eeme ur\u010dite u\u017e prem\u00fd\u0161\u013ea\u0165 o messengeri, ktor\u00fd by fungoval v overlay re\u017eime nad I2P.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> V ka\u017edom pr\u00edpade, ak hovor\u00edme o messengeroch \u2014 v\u00e4\u010d\u0161inou ide o text... R\u00fdchlos\u0165 je v poriadku.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Celkom m\u00e1m ot\u00e1zku \u2014 chcem to predlo\u017ei\u0165 na diskusiu \u2014 je mo\u017en\u00e9 na jednom bode \u201eMedium\u201c spusti\u0165 nielen transparentn\u00fd web proxy pre webov\u00e9 slu\u017eby, ale aj nejak\u00fa slu\u017ebu na v\u00fdmenu s\u00faborov, v\u0161etko v tomto duchu.<\/p>\n

Zjednodu\u0161ujem, aby bola podstata jasn\u00e1. Aby niektor\u00e9 porty sp\u00fa\u0161\u0165ali v\u00fdmenu s\u00faborov, in\u00e9 \u2014 web proxy. A chat alebo nejak\u00fd messenger. Sp\u00fa\u0161\u0165a\u0165 nejak\u00e9 porty na messenger a v\u0161etko bude v poriadku.<\/p>\n

\nM. P.:<\/b> Mus\u00edme prediskutova\u0165 pravidl\u00e1 spr\u00e1vania sa v sieti. Digit\u00e1lna hygiena. Vzdel\u00e1va\u0165 be\u017en\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed \u2014 pre\u010do napr\u00edklad cez \u201eMedium\u201c sa nem\u00f4\u017eu posiela\u0165 va\u0161e hesl\u00e1, ak sa prihlasujete na str\u00e1nku bez HTTPS.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Podstata je v tom, \u017ee \u013eudia, ktor\u00ed nerozumej\u00fa tomu, \u017ee nem\u00f4\u017eu posiela\u0165 hesl\u00e1 cez, povedzme, VK, \u2014 nem\u00f4\u017eu ich posiela\u0165 cez chat a to v\u0161etko\u2026<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Nie, v skuto\u010dnosti som hovoril o nie\u010dom inom: mysl\u00edm, \u017ee nejde ani o to, aby niekomu posielali hesl\u00e1, ur\u010dite nie: hovor\u00edm o nie\u010dom inom. V \u201eMedium\u201c sa situ\u00e1cia ozna\u010duje trochu inak: je to presne t\u00e1 ist\u00e1 pr\u00ed\u010dina, pre\u010do v Tori nem\u00f4\u017eete, povedzme, na nezabezpe\u010den\u00fdch str\u00e1nkach zad\u00e1va\u0165 svoje heslo.<\/p>\n

Zvy\u010dajne pou\u017e\u00edvate\u013eom unik\u00e1, \u017ee ak sed\u00edte cez svoj I2P router, bez pripojenia na \u201eMedium\u201c, tak probl\u00e9m \u017eiadny nie je \u2014 v\u00e1\u0161 traffic je \u0161ifrovan\u00fd, nemus\u00edte sa b\u00e1\u0165 o svoje d\u00e1ta. Ale ke\u010f pou\u017e\u00edvate \u201eMedium\u201c, mus\u00edte v prvom rade predpoklada\u0165, \u017ee tento bod u\u017e bol skompromitovan\u00fd kamar\u00e1tom majornom. Tam sed\u00ed kamar\u00e1t major a po\u010d\u00fava v\u0161etko, \u010do mu hovor\u00edte.<\/p>\n

Ke\u010f zad\u00e1vate heslo, \u010do sa deje: po nezabezpe\u010denom kan\u00e1li od v\u00e1s do routera kamar\u00e1ta majora sa pren\u00e1\u0161a va\u0161e heslo, a len potom sa dost\u00e1va do siete I2P. Kamar\u00e1t major m\u00f4\u017ee po\u010d\u00fava\u0165. V\u0161etky ostatn\u00e9 uzly \u2014 tranzitn\u00e9 uzly \u2014 nie. To je probl\u00e9m.<\/p>\n

M\u00f4\u017eem jednoducho vysvetli\u0165 stru\u010dne na ve\u013emi jednoduchom pr\u00edklade, ve\u013emi zrozumite\u013ene, ako funguje asymetrick\u00e1 kryptografia a pre\u010do je \u201eMedium\u201c ako transport viac ne\u017e vhodn\u00fd.<\/p>\n

Predstavte si, \u017ee m\u00e1me jedn\u00e9ho kamar\u00e1ta z Moskvy a jedn\u00e9ho kamar\u00e1ta z Austr\u00e1lie. Jeden z nich potrebuje posla\u0165 bal\u00edk s mili\u00f3nom dol\u00e1rov do Austr\u00e1lie. Nechce to robi\u0165 cez Sberbank, lebo prov\u00edzia bude vysok\u00e1.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Preto posiela kuriera.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> \u00c1no: preto posiela kufor priamo s peniazmi cez kuri\u00e9ra. Beriem a z\u00e1mok nasadzujem na kufor. Dohodneme sa, \u017ee z\u00e1mok nem\u00f4\u017eeme otvori\u0165.<\/p>\n

Odovzd\u00e1vame kufor kuri\u00e9rovi. Kurier pren\u00e1\u0161a kufor n\u00e1\u0161mu priate\u013eovi z Austr\u00e1lie. Priate\u013e z Austr\u00e1lie je zm\u00e4ten\u00fd: \u201eAko otvor\u00edm kufor? Nem\u00e1m k\u013e\u00fa\u010d!\u201c<\/p>\n

Pros\u00edm ho, aby si na kufor dal svoj z\u00e1mok a poslal mi ho sp\u00e4\u0165. Kuri\u00e9r je zm\u00e4ten\u00fd, ale kufor mi vracia. Zlo\u017een\u00e9ho z\u00e1mka z kufra odstra\u0148ujem. Na kufore zost\u00e1va z\u00e1mok priate\u013ea. Posielam kufor do Austr\u00e1lie. Priate\u013e zlo\u017e\u00ed svoj z\u00e1mok.<\/p>\n

Zru\u010dnos\u0165 r\u00fak a \u017eiadne podvody.<\/p>\n

M. S.:<\/b> Celkovo mus\u00ed by\u0165 nastavenie toho, ako sme uzamknut\u00ed pred ostatn\u00fdmi z\u00e1mkami, vyv\u00e1\u017een\u00e9. Nemalo by by\u0165 zlo\u017eit\u00fdm.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> Ma\u0165 nejak\u00e9 konkr\u00e9tne hranice.<\/p>\n

\nM. S.:<\/b> Najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161ia diera v bezpe\u010dnosti v\u017edy sed\u00ed pred monitorom, za kl\u00e1vesnicou... Pok\u00fdm sa nezv\u00fd\u0161i \u00farove\u0148 chlapcov, ktor\u00ed sedia za po\u010d\u00edta\u010dom, nebudeme ma\u0165 mo\u017enos\u0165 plne zabezpe\u010di\u0165 pou\u017e\u00edvanie tejto siete.<\/p>\n

M. P.:<\/b> V podstate potrebujeme pomaly zvy\u0161ova\u0165 po\u010det str\u00e1nok v I2P, ktor\u00e9 podporuj\u00fa HTTPS. Bojujem za to, aby HTTPS v I2P bolo presne pre zabezpe\u010denie \u00farovne dopravy.<\/p>\n

\nDiskusia na GitHub<\/a><\/noindex> \u2022 Zoznam v\u0161etk\u00fdch bodov siete<\/noindex> \u2022 Pokyny na nastavenie svojej AP<\/a><\/noindex> \u2022 Pridanie svojej bodky do zoznamu<\/noindex><\/p>\n

Kan\u00e1l v Telegrame: @medium_isp<\/a><\/noindex>
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