{"id":74736,"date":"2020-03-20T08:43:07","date_gmt":"2020-03-20T05:43:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/administrirovanie\/antipatterny-devops-sobesedovaniya"},"modified":"2020-03-20T08:43:07","modified_gmt":"2020-03-20T05:43:07","slug":"antipatterny-devops-sobesedovaniya","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/sk\/blog\/administrirovanie\/antipatterny-devops-sobesedovaniya","title":{"rendered":"Antipatters DevOps pohovorov","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"

V\u00edtam v\u00e1s v\u0161etk\u00fdch, moji mil\u00ed \u010ditatelia!<\/p>\n

Dnes sa chcem podeli\u0165 o svoje my\u0161lienky na dlhodobo diskutovan\u00fa t\u00e9mu a mo\u017eno ju prediskutova\u0165 v koment\u00e1roch.
\nCelkom \u010dasto natraf\u00edm na \u010dl\u00e1nky o zl\u00fdch praktik\u00e1ch pohovoru na poz\u00edciu program\u00e1tora, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa pod\u013ea m\u00f4jho n\u00e1zoru dostato\u010dne \u017eivotaschopn\u00e9 a d\u00fafam, \u017ee \u010ditate\u013en\u00e9 pre HR oddelenia ve\u013ek\u00fdch aj men\u0161\u00edch firiem.
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Vo na\u0161ich kon\u010din\u00e1ch, pokia\u013e m\u00f4\u017eem s\u00fadi\u0165, existuje dopyt po tak\u00fdch zauj\u00edmav\u00fdch entit\u00e1ch, ako je DevOps in\u017einier. Patr\u00edm k t\u00fdm \u013eu\u010fom, ktor\u00ed t\u00fato fr\u00e1zu ve\u013emi nevn\u00edmaj\u00fa (\u00e1no, \u00e1no, DevOps metodol\u00f3gia at\u010f.), a preto vid\u00edm ur\u010dit\u00e9 rozdiely v rozvoji tejto skupiny odborn\u00edkov.
\nVo v\u0161eobecnosti sv\u00e4tover\u00edm, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd \u010dlovek m\u00e1 svoj okruh z\u00e1ujmov, aj v pracovnej oblasti, to znamen\u00e1, \u017ee niekoho bavia cloudov\u00e9 technol\u00f3gie, niekoho deep diving do aplika\u010dn\u00fdch serverov, nastavovanie hlbok\u00e9ho Java, a niekto sa dokonca sna\u017e\u00ed p\u00edsa\u0165 k\u00f3d v Python-e alebo, chr\u00e1\u0148 bo\u017ee, yaml k\u00f3d. Tak\u017ee tu sa objavuj\u00fa tzv. Infrastructure engineer, Build engineer, Senior Yaml Developer \ud83d\ude42
\nTo v\u0161etko umo\u017e\u0148uje na jednej strane n\u00e1js\u0165 \u010dloveka, ktor\u00fd je maxim\u00e1lne vhodn\u00fd pre v\u00e1\u0161 s\u00fabor \u00faloh, a na druhej strane vytv\u00e1ra nedorozumenia po\u010das pohovorov.
\nNa z\u00e1klade osobn\u00fdch sk\u00fasenost\u00ed, po tom, \u010do som absolvoval desiatky pohovorov a taktie\u017e sa z\u00fa\u010dastnil r\u00f4znych ako odpovedaj\u00faci, chcem sa podeli\u0165 o svoj poh\u013ead na to, \u010do sa deje.<\/p>\n

Prv\u00fd a asi m\u00f4j najob\u013e\u00fabenej\u0161\u00ed antipattern \u2014 t\u00fa\u017eba niekoho, aby robil v\u0161etko, alebo nejasn\u00e9, kto je potrebn\u00fd, pozrieme sa na mno\u017estvo kandid\u00e1tov, tam zist\u00edme. Asi je to aplikovate\u013en\u00e9 na ak\u00fako\u013evek oblas\u0165, ale tu s\u00fa svoje \u0161pecifik\u00e1.
\nAko som si v\u0161imol, \u013eudia s\u00fa viac naklonen\u00ed ponuk\u00e1m s v\u00fdrazom DevOps ako System Administrator, hoci sa mi zd\u00e1, \u017ee na \u00farovni Senior sa oblas\u0165 \u00faloh maxim\u00e1lne l\u00ed\u0161i medzi t\u00fdmito dvoma oblas\u0165ami.
\nKa\u017ed\u00fd zamestn\u00e1vate\u013e, ktor\u00fd skuto\u010dne potrebuje admina, p\u00ed\u0161e v n\u00e1zve ponuky DevOps, v tele po\u017eiadavky uv\u00e1dza v\u0161etko mo\u017en\u00e9, K8S\/Java\/gradle\/oracleDB a tak \u010falej, hoci \u010dlovek vn\u00fatri bude musie\u0165 podporova\u0165 klaster K8S a podporova\u0165 OracleDB stack oddelene od t\u00edmu.
\nTak\u017ee ak\u00e9 je tu interakcia form\u00e1tu Developers \/ Operations?
\nN\u00e1sledne sa zist\u00ed, \u017ee nie je stanoven\u00fd sp\u00f4sob interakcie s t\u00edmom a vlastne neexistuje ani oddelenie operations, a teda budete musie\u0165 nastavi\u0165 aj po\u010d\u00edta\u010de v\u00fdvoj\u00e1rov.
\nTento variant v skuto\u010dnosti vyhovuje \u010dasti uch\u00e1dza\u010dov, ale bu\u010fme \u00faprimn\u00ed, je to Senior System Administrator, tak pre\u010do to nechc\u00fa tak p\u00edsa\u0165 a \u010do je na tom vlastne zahanbuj\u00face? Rozdiel v plate medzi r\u00f4znymi n\u00e1zvami profesi\u00ed? Ale rozpo\u010det spolo\u010dnosti je jeden, a ako sa lo\u010f vol\u00e1, tak sa plav\u00ed na svoj rozpo\u010det.
\nA po\u010dul som, \u017ee kandid\u00e1t r\u00fdchlo automatizuje a zap\u00e1jan\u00e9 do v\u00fdvoja produktu na Pythone, ak\u00fd je v tom rozdiel, v\u0161ade je Python rovnak\u00fd. Rozdiel v mentalite a pr\u00edstupoch sa neberie do \u00favahy.<\/p>\n

Zvy\u010dajne rozde\u013eujem \u00farove\u0148 \u0161pecialistov, ktor\u00ed prich\u00e1dzaj\u00fa, a pre ka\u017ed\u00e9ho vid\u00edm svoje zvl\u00e1\u0161tnosti.
\nJunior \u2014 osobne pre m\u0148a Junior DevOps je \u010dlovek, ktor\u00fd na strednej \u00farovni ovl\u00e1dol administr\u00e1ciu \/ v\u00fdvoj. Tu je pr\u00edjemn\u00e9 diferencova\u0165 siln\u00fdch Linuxov\u00fd expertov, ktor\u00ed chc\u00fa r\u00e1s\u0165 v novej oblasti, alebo v\u00fdvoj\u00e1rov, ktor\u00ed maj\u00fa chu\u0165 robi\u0165 dobre pre in\u00fdch v\u00fdvoj\u00e1rov. Siln\u00fdch, s nejak\u00fdmi zru\u010dnos\u0165ami v laden\u00ed, h\u013eadan\u00ed logov, alebo s nejak\u00fdm po\u010dtom naprogramovan\u00fdch projektov.
\nStretol som ako administr\u00e1torov, ktor\u00ed vysk\u00fa\u0161ali nie\u010do a chc\u00fa sa dotkn\u00fa\u0165 cloudu, tak aj t\u00fdch, ktor\u00ed sk\u00fa\u0161ali front, back a z nejak\u00fdch d\u00f4vodov na\u0161li z\u00e1ujem v procesoch DevOps.
\nNa tejto \u00farovni ma v\u017edy znepokojuje, ke\u010f za\u010d\u00ednaj\u00fa hovori\u0165 o obrovskom technologickom stacku, Puppet, Ansible \u2014 pre\u010do v\u0161etko nesk\u00fasil? K8S, K3S \u2014 ak\u00fd je rozdiel? Ko\u013eko typov datab\u00e1z pozn\u00e1\u0161? Pre\u010do tak m\u00e1lo? Ako funguje \u0161ifrovanie v Jave? Najm\u00e4 t\u00ed, ktor\u00ed pri\u0161li z v\u00fdvoja, aj ke\u010f s\u00fa to ve\u013emi u\u017eito\u010dn\u00ed zamestnanci, pre nich je v\u017edy pr\u00e1ca v tejto oblasti.
\nV\u017edy ma zneis\u0165uje, ke\u010f sa to deje, prv\u00e9, \u010do chcem sk\u00fasi\u0165 \u2014 pre\u010do??? Druh\u00e9, \u010do ma napadne \u2014 je s\u00e1m pohovoruj\u00faci pripraven\u00fd odpoveda\u0165 na ot\u00e1zky oh\u013eadom tak rozmanit\u00e9ho stacku? Naozaj chc\u00fa zobra\u0165 juniora a zavesi\u0165 na neho v\u0161etko?
\n\u010casto sa to st\u00e1va v r\u00f4znych bodyshopoch, ke\u010f mus\u00edte pred\u00e1va\u0165 \u010dloveka na nejak\u00fd projekt a potrebujete viac skvel\u00fdch slov pre \u017eivotopis, alebo firma nikoho nechce zobra\u0165, ale len pozer\u00e1, ak\u00ed m\u00f4\u017eu by\u0165 juniori.<\/p>\n

\u00darove\u0148 Middle
\nPod\u013ea m\u00f4jho n\u00e1zoru s\u00fa tu niektor\u00e9 extr\u00e9my, v prvom rade je \u0165a\u017ek\u00e9 presne ur\u010di\u0165, \u010do \u010dloveka pos\u00fava na \u00farove\u0148 stredn\u00e9ho profilu; bu\u010f sa ho sna\u017eia stiahnu\u0165 sp\u00e4\u0165 na juniorsk\u00fa \u00farove\u0148, alebo ho za\u010dn\u00fa tla\u010di\u0165 ako seniora, pri\u010dom sa pok\u00fa\u0161aj\u00fa z\u00edska\u0165 seniora za cenu stredn\u00e9ho profilu (\u00e1no, trh to rozhoduje, ni\u010d osobn\u00e9).
\nNajzauj\u00edmavej\u0161ie, \u010do som videl \u2014 je prenikn\u00fa\u0165 hlboko do k\u00f3dovania, programova\u0165 v Pythone, tr\u00fdzni\u0165 Java GC, teda zaobera\u0165 sa u\u017e detailnej\u0161\u00edmi \u0161pecifick\u00fdmi t\u00e9mami alebo naopak odha\u013eova\u0165 medzery v d\u00e1vno nepou\u017e\u00edvan\u00fdch vedomostiach, prech\u00e1dza\u0165 po sie\u0165ach, typoch ovl\u00e1da\u010dov OS, usmievaj\u00fac sa a zlomyselne si pomyslie\u0165, ako mohol na to \u010dlovek zabudn\u00fa\u0165. A tu sa deje to najzauj\u00edmavej\u0161ie!
\nPod\u013ea m\u00f4jho n\u00e1zoru sa k stredn\u00e9mu profilu formuje odborn\u00edkova sf\u00e9ra z\u00e1ujmov a osobn\u00fd poh\u013ead na to, s \u010d\u00edm chce pracova\u0165 \u2014 povrchne sa ponori\u0165 do najnov\u0161\u00edch technol\u00f3gi\u00ed alebo sa zlep\u0161ova\u0165 pre n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9 podniky, prehlbuj\u00fac sa do v\u00fdkonu k\u00f3du.
\nPod\u013ea m\u00f4jho n\u00e1zoru by sa tu u\u017e malo rozpr\u00e1va\u0165 o procesoch, ktor\u00e9 \u010dlovek absolvoval, p\u00fdta\u0165 sa, \u010do bolo najzauj\u00edmavej\u0161ie a \u010do nie, a na z\u00e1klade t\u00fdchto poznatkov vytvori\u0165 klaster ot\u00e1zok, pri\u010dom ot\u00e1zky by sa mali mapping-n\u00fa\u0165 na svoj stack. Inak, ke\u010f sa uskuto\u010dn\u00ed zauj\u00edmav\u00fd rozhovor na hodinu alebo dve o konfigur\u00e1cii OpenShift klastra, zamestna\u0165 \u010dloveka a posadi\u0165 ho, aby budoval monitoring. Mo\u017eno sa to zap\u00e1\u010di obom stran\u00e1m.<\/p>\n

\u00darove\u0148 Senior
\n\u00d3, moja ob\u013e\u00faben\u00e1 \u00farove\u0148.
\nPred vami je siln\u00fd \u0161pecialista, ktor\u00fd sa vybudoval na r\u00f4znych projektoch, \u010dlovek, ktor\u00fd u\u017e vie, \u010do chce, a \u010do mu nie je a\u017e tak ve\u013emi po chuti.
\nA tu za\u010d\u00edna show:
\n \u2014 hlbok\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky t\u00fdkaj\u00face sa syst\u00e9movej administr\u00e1cie (pozri prv\u00fd nepravideln\u00fd vzor)
\n \u2014 hlbok\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky o Linuxe vo v\u0161eobecnosti zo sf\u00e9ry te\u00f3rie, \u010faleko od praktick\u00fdch vedomost\u00ed (\u00darovne OSI je top ot\u00e1zka)
\n \u2014 akademick\u00e9 ot\u00e1zky oh\u013eadom k\u00f3dovania (preto\u017ee samotn\u00fd tazate\u013e poriadne nevie oblas\u0165, len ho po\u017eiadali, aby pohovoril so zvl\u00e1\u0161tnym DevOpsom)
\nUrob\u00edm tu mal\u00fa pozn\u00e1mku. Raz ma na pohovore po\u017eiadali, aby som nap\u00edsal nejak\u00fd k\u00fasok k\u00f3du. Na papieri. Ako v\u0161etci ob\u013eubuj\u00fa, ka\u017ed\u00fd de\u0148 p\u00ed\u0161u, papier je na\u0161a v\u0161etko.
\nKe\u010f som sa poradil, po prezret\u00ed m\u00f4jho l\u00edstka a jeho rie\u0161en\u00ed, bol vynesen\u00fd verdikt, \u017ee algoritmus nebude optim\u00e1lny. Navrhol som, aby \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edk nap\u00edsal svoj vlastn\u00fd algoritmus, na \u010do som dostal odpove\u010f: \u201eTo nespad\u00e1 do r\u00e1mca pohovoru\u201c. Po\u017eiadal som o chv\u00ed\u013eu, trochu som upravil k\u00f3d a uk\u00e1zal som, sp\u00fdtaj\u00fac sa, \u010di to bude r\u00fdchlej\u0161ie alebo pomal\u0161ie? Na \u010do som dostal odpove\u010f, prejdime k \u010fal\u0161ej ot\u00e1zke. Rozdiel bol v pr\u00e1ci k\u00f3du v cykle a bez cyklu a mal som pripraven\u00fa odpove\u010f, pre\u010do je lep\u0161ie urobi\u0165 to tak, a nie inak. No po tomto som u\u017e nemal chu\u0165 odpoveda\u0165 na ot\u00e1zky a pracova\u0165 s touto osobou.
\nMus\u00edme bra\u0165 do \u00favahy, \u017ee v\u0161etci sme r\u00f4zni a nie\u010do, \u010do je pre v\u00e1s nepodstatn\u00e9, m\u00f4\u017ee kandid\u00e1ta odradi\u0165.
\n \u2014 zvy\u010dajne m\u00e1 odborn\u00edk na \u00farovni senior presne pop\u00edsan\u00fd pracovn\u00fd stack, ale nie, treba za\u010da\u0165 prech\u00e1dza\u0165 po bl\u00edzkych t\u00e9mach, napr\u00edklad m\u00e1te nap\u00edsan\u00e9 Ansible, skvel\u00e9, ale my m\u00e1me Puppet, len ste sa takto pri\u0161li uk\u00e1za\u0165, tak n\u00e1m povedzte o Puppet. V\u00fdborne! Pracovali ste s OpenShift? My m\u00e1me K8s, nerob\u00edme rozdiely, ale va\u0161a sk\u00fasenos\u0165 nie je relevantn\u00e1. Skvel\u00e9! <\/p>\n

Existuje aj tak\u00e1 podkateg\u00f3ria \u2014 osobne si beriem st\u00e1\u017eistov na rast do \u00farovne junior.
\nChcem, aby v\u0161etci ch\u00e1pali, \u017ee st\u00e1\u017eista je e\u0161te \u00faplne nedefinovan\u00e1 entita. Ve\u013emi ma des\u00ed, ke\u010f za\u010dn\u00fa st\u00e1\u017eistov tla\u010di\u0165 na \u00farove\u0148 siln\u00e9ho juniora a potom s uspokojen\u00fdm v\u00fdrazom pon\u00fakaj\u00fa st\u00e1\u017e (niekedy neplaten\u00fa, des!).
\nNerob to tak.
\nSt\u00e1\u017eista je pod\u013ea m\u00f4jho n\u00e1zoru bu\u010f \u0161tudent star\u0161\u00edch ro\u010dn\u00edkov, alebo niekto, kto sa ve\u013emi chce \u201edosta\u0165 do IT\u201c.
\nSo \u0161tudentmi je to jednoduch\u00e9 \u2014 skvele zisti\u0165, \u010domu sa venuj\u00fa na univerzite, \u010do robili sami, uk\u00e1za\u0165, na ak\u00fdch ot\u00e1zkach im zasvietia o\u010di \u2014 ak zasvietia, sp\u00fdta\u0165 sa, pre\u010do pr\u00e1ve DevOps a \u010do o tom vlastne vedia. Citlivo vn\u00edma\u0165 \u010dloveka a pochopi\u0165, \u010di s n\u00edm bude pr\u00edjemn\u00e9 sa \u010falej zaobera\u0165, \u010di chcem nie\u010do nau\u010di\u0165 pr\u00e1ve tohoto \u010dloveka.
\nS t\u00fdmi, ktor\u00ed chc\u00fa \u201eod\u00eds\u0165 do IT\u201c, je to trochu pr\u00edsnej\u0161ie \u2014 pozrie\u0165 sa na to, ako sa \u010dlovek samo vzdel\u00e1va, \u010do urobil predt\u00fdm, ako sa dostal na pohovor k v\u00e1m, tu bude dobr\u00e9 sa pozrie\u0165 na GitHub, ak ho m\u00e1, hustotu commitov a ak\u00e9 boli cvi\u010denia. P\u00fdta\u0165 sa taktie\u017e, pre\u010do vlastne DevOps, ve\u010f vo frontende je to vesel\u0161ie a z\u00e1bavnej\u0161ie? <\/p>\n

A nakoniec by som chcel op\u00e4\u0165 zd\u00f4razni\u0165, \u010do je ve\u013emi d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9, ur\u010dte si, kto v\u00e1s naozaj potrebuje a okam\u017eite n\u00e1jdete spr\u00e1vneho \u010dloveka. Zistite potreby, pozrite sa na odborn\u00edka ako na profesion\u00e1la, n\u00e1jdite jeho siln\u00e9 str\u00e1nky a \u00faspe\u0161ne ich vyu\u017e\u00edvajte vo svojej pr\u00e1ci. Bu\u010fte pozorn\u00ed k uch\u00e1dza\u010dovi, pri\u0161iel k v\u00e1m na rozhovor, a nie na s\u00fa\u0165a\u017e, kto koho zlo\u017e\u00ed alebo nezlo\u017e\u00ed.
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