{"id":82838,"date":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","date_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka"},"modified":"2020-05-25T13:42:25","modified_gmt":"2020-05-25T11:42:25","slug":"uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/prohoster.info\/sl\/blog\/administrirovanie\/uberite-vashih-detej-ot-nashih-golubyh-ekranov-ili-pochemu-nelzya-pokupat-yandeks-stancziyu-dlya-rebyonka","title":{"rendered":"Odstranite svoje otroke od na\u0161ih modrih ekranov, ali zakaj ne kupovati Yandex.Station za otroka","gt_translate_keys":[{"key":"rendered","format":"text"}]},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Pribli\u017eno pred dvema tednoma sem se obrnil na tehni\u010dno podporo Yandex glede filtriranja videov v otro\u0161kem na\u010dinu.<\/p>\n<p>Iskreno, \u017eelja, da se obrnem glede neprimerne vsebine za otroke, se je pojavila \u017ee prej, a kot to obi\u010dajno gre \u2014 je bilo odlo\u017eeno.<\/p>\n<p>Poleg tega \u2014 to je vendarle Yandex! Bolje ve, kaj si \u017eelel najti.<\/p>\n<p>Kot se je izkazalo \u2014 ni bolje.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Odstranite svoje otroke od na\u0161ih modrih ekranov, ali zakaj ne kupovati Yandex.Station za otroka\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/2896f1a4e14b942b8242624265defa0d.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><br \/>\n<br \/>\nPozorite na ikono otro\u0161kega na\u010dina zgoraj desno.<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" name=\"habracut\"><\/a><\/noindex><br \/>\nTako je ta uvodna zaslonka \u2014 o neprimerni besedi in 18+ se je pojavila, ko sem posku\u0161al otroku zagnati video prehoda za lepo igro od M\u0421, ki je, mimogrede, stara 6+.<\/p>\n<p>Seveda so se na\u0161li tudi drugi na\u010dini, a je ostal grenak priokus.<\/p>\n<p>Malo zgodovine \u2014 zakaj sem se pravzaprav odlo\u010dil obrniti na tehni\u010dno podporo.<\/p>\n<p>Otrok (7 let) ni tuj ra\u010dunalnikom in napravam, a tudi ni navdu\u0161en nad njimi.<\/p>\n<p>Rad ri\u0161e in obi\u010dajno, s pomo\u010djo Alise \u2014 gleda v monitor, posku\u0161a ponoviti tisto, kar ga u\u010dijo na delavnicah, poslu\u0161a glasbo, ples in poje. <\/p>\n<p>Vedno se pravilno obrne na napravo in \u010de pride do kak\u0161nega vpra\u0161anja, pogosto posku\u0161a samostojno razjasniti nejasnosti. Seveda mi, kot star\u0161i, vedno razlo\u017eimo in povemo, a otroku je zanimiva tudi druga\u010dni pogled, kar je na splo\u0161no pravilno. A kot se je izkazalo \u2014 ne v tem primeru.<\/p>\n<p>Osebni \u010das in osebni prostor otroka morata obstajati, zaprta vrata za eno do dve uri na dan me ne motijo \u2014 gleda risanke, ri\u0161e \u2014 kaj bi lahko bilo slabega?<\/p>\n<p>Dokler ni pri\u0161la in rekla: 'stra\u0161no mi je'.<\/p>\n<p>Naletela je nekje na stra\u0161ljive zgodbe, ki jih niti nekateri odrasli ne bi smeli gledati. Morda Alisa ni pravilno razpoznala povpra\u0161evanja, morda so ji prijateljice kaj povedale \u2014 in to je rezultat.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Odstranite svoje otroke od na\u0161ih modrih ekranov, ali zakaj ne kupovati Yandex.Station za otroka\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/7599fe718bf07293612d23c22780656f.jpg\" style=\"display:block;margin: 0 auto;\" \/><br \/>\n<br \/>\n\u010cudovit video v otro\u0161kem na\u010dinu neposredno od Yandexa \u2014 s svojega video gostovanja, mar ne?<br \/>\nKo sem si 'to' ogledal nekaj minut, sem se odlo\u010dil, da se takoj obrnem na tehni\u010dno podporo \u2014 kajti to, da je tak\u0161na grozota v otro\u0161kem na\u010dinu, ni sprejemljivo, in upal sem, da bodo fantje 'preprosto prilagodili filtre'. A \u010dlanek ne bi obstajal, \u010de bi bilo vse tako preprosto.<\/p>\n<p>Napredujem \u2014 da ne bi bilo treba brati dolge korespondence s tehni\u010dno podporo.<br \/>\nNa kratko: filtrov ni. Mi (Yandex) menimo, da je vse v redu.<\/p>\n<p>Otrok bo videl vse, za kar prisilno (z moderatorji ali nalaga\u010di videov) ni bila dodeljena starostna omejitev. Za YouTube in Yandex, ki zagotavljata glavno vsebino na postaji, to pomeni, da je prakti\u010dno vsak videoposnetek dostopen, saj ponovno nalagajo vsak videoposnetek, ne da bi se trudili postaviti omejitve. Vse informativne televizijske kanale na gostiteljih je mogo\u010de dostopati (\u010deprav bi za novice \u017ee bilo treba postaviti 16+).<\/p>\n<p>Nima niti filtriranja po klju\u010dnih besedah iskanja.<\/p>\n<p>                        <b class=\"spoiler_title\">dolg niz korespondence s TP<\/b><br \/>\n                        2020-04-07 13:37:40, Ivan<br \/>\nTema poizvedbe: Drug vpra\u0161anje<br \/>\nVpra\u0161anje o: Filtriranje videov v otro\u0161kem na\u010dinu<br \/>\nPozdravljeni!<br \/>\nV nastavitvah postaje je vklopljen otro\u0161ki na\u010din, vendar se filtriranje, kolikor razumem, izvaja samo po klju\u010dnih besedah.<br \/>\nKot rezultat - pogosto se na zaslonu prika\u017ee video, ki za sedemletnega otroka predstavlja nedvomno \"grozljivo\". Tak\u0161na vsebina se redno pojavlja tako na YouTubu kot na yandex.video.<br \/>\nProsimo vas, da mi poveste, kako lahko re\u0161imo to te\u017eavo.<\/p>\n<p>to, 7. apr. 2020, 17:03 Yandex.Support<br \/>\nPozdravljen, Ivan!<br \/>\nV prvi vrsti, prosim, poskrbimo, da ste nastavili na\u010din filtriranja v ustreznem razdelku aplikacije \"Yandex\": meni (\u229e) -&gt; \"Naprave\" -&gt; \"Ra\u010dun\" -&gt; \"Na\u010din iskanja\".<br \/>\nVse prav?<br \/>\nV tem primeru, prosim, navedite, na katerem viru se predvajajo videoposnetki?<br \/>\nAli bi lahko, prosim, navedli primer takega videa?<br \/>\n\u010cakal bom na va\u0161 odgovor.<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-07 14:44:36, Ivan<br \/>\nPozdrav.<br \/>\nPrva slika - rezultat poskusa predvajanja Dr. Housea z doma\u010dega zaslona (odklon). Torej, otro\u0161ki na\u010din je vklju\u010den.<br \/>\nNo in nato - vse druge poizvedbe.<br \/>\nPosebna pro\u0161nja \u2014 molim vas, komentirajte za\u0161to se zahtev za video s klju\u010dnom re\u010dju 'ubistvo(a)' uop\u0161te obra\u0111uje u de\u010dijem re\u017eimu.<br \/>\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u043f\u0440\u0438\u043b\u043e\u0436\u0438\u043b \u043f\u0430\u0447\u043a\u0443 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0433\u0440\u0430\u0444\u0438\u0439<\/p>\n<p>to, 7. apr. 2020 v 18:32, Yandex.Support<br \/>\nIvan, hvala za preverjanje in fotografije!<br \/>\nDa lahko podrobneje preu\u010dimo vpra\u0161anje, zakaj se v otro\u0161kem na\u010dinu obravnavajo tak\u0161ne poizvedbe, prosim, pojasnite, katere ukaze ste dali Alisi.<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-07 15:56:27, Ivan<br \/>\nime datoteke - ukaz (ali rezultat) <br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/gd\/mi\/wv\/gdmiwvo3ppibjaonqlzt3shpfqi.jpeg\">01_IMG_20200407_172234<\/a><\/noindex> - \"alisa, najdi na internetu video Ori in slepi gozd\"<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/oe\/i_\/mw\/oei_mw0d211rgkspfkif64hhilw.jpeg\">02_IMG_20200407_172219<\/a><\/noindex> - rezultat prej\u0161nje poizvedbe<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/ua\/xm\/qm\/uaxmqmmct2m-042zbllfjhfjhya.jpeg\">03_IMG_20200407_172158<\/a><\/noindex> - video 1 prej\u0161nje poizvedbe<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/zl\/t3\/ma\/zlt3masnchnre5lseww312pbixe.jpeg\">04_IMG_20200407_172224<\/a><\/noindex> - video 1 prej\u0161nje poizvedbe<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/xa\/8g\/9q\/xa8g9qrnpapyrv06qglvkoq6vbu.jpeg\">05_IMG_20200407_172105<\/a><\/noindex> - \"alisa, predvajaj Dr. House\"<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/az\/kf\/-a\/azkf-anjhthlnb_bzwhhcghxqik.jpeg\">06_IMG_20200407_172533<\/a><\/noindex> - \"alisa, najdi na internetu video prank grozljivo\"<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/wm\/s8\/qz\/wms8qzaenp-k34udyowb7fj2d3o.jpeg\">07_IMG_20200407_172837<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201eAlisa, najdi v internetu video umorstva\u201c (zahtev)<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/iw\/d3\/34\/iwd334ilfnsddeqrhs36kpjy5ua.jpeg\">08_IMG_20200407_172907<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201eAlisa, najdi v internetu video umorstva\u201c (rezultat)<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/eg\/km\/3q\/egkm3qcnxwsjwlwj0jq-3pz7wry.jpeg\">09_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> - video 1 prej\u0161nje poizvedbe<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/nr\/0f\/3b\/nr0f3bbxsiknrvtvbbt1urncaeg.jpeg\">10_IMG_20200407_172933<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 2 prethodnog zahteva <br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/jz\/9b\/jm\/jz9bjm4xtvhpo-rugqa8q_1lkwc.jpeg\">11_IMG_20200407_172351<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 \u201eAlisa, najdi v internetu video momo\u201c<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/bj\/px\/rk\/bjpxrkqhjohtpgnoygxamie2ks8.jpeg\">12_IMG_20200407_172428<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 video 1 iz prethodnog zahteva<br \/>\n<noindex><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/habrastorage.org\/webt\/s5\/km\/mq\/s5kmmqdoxlsu4hsnpcpy3dyro-m.jpeg\">13_IMG_20200407_172944<\/a><\/noindex> \u2014 foto informacija o stanici<br \/>\npodelio po \u201ezahtevima\u201c, fajlove preimnovao radi lak\u0161eg kori\u0161\u0107enja i ponovo ih prilo\u017eio uz e-mail.<br \/>\n\/\/\u043f\u0440\u0438\u043c. \u043e\u0444\u043e\u0440\u043c\u0438\u043b \u0441\u0441\u044b\u043b\u043a\u0430\u043c\u0438 \u043d\u0430 \u0444\u043e\u0442\u043e<\/p>\n<p>ut, 7 apr. 2020. g., 20:33 Yandex.Podr\u0161ka<br \/>\nIvane, hvala \u0161to ste preimnovali fotografije i ozna\u010dili komande i rezultate.<br \/>\nPreneo sam sve informacije odgovornim stru\u010dnjacima. Treba\u0107e nam malo vremena da shvatimo uzrok situacije i istra\u017eimo za\u0161to Alisa obra\u0111uje komande i prikazuje takve rezultate.<br \/>\n\u010cim budem imao nove informacije, kontaktira\u0107u vas!<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-12 15:24:41, Ivane<br \/>\nZdravo! Ima li novosti oko mog pitanja?<\/p>\n<p>ne, 12 apr. 2020. g. u 18:49, Yandex.Podr\u0161ka<br \/>\nPozdravljen, Ivan!<br \/>\nNa\u017ealost, za sada nema novosti, na\u0161i stru\u010dnjaci jo\u0161 rade na va\u0161em pitanju.<br \/>\nObavezno \u0107u vam javiti \u010dim dobijem informacije!<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-20 17:03:17, Ivane<br \/>\nZdravo! Pre dve nedelje postavio sam pitanje o funkcionalnosti koju vi deklarujete kao osnovnu, dakle, podrazumevano dostupnu za uklju\u010divanje i kori\u0161\u0107enje.<br \/>\nDe\u010diji re\u017eim imate \u010dak i u reklami \u2014 nedavno mi je stiglo promo od vas, gde je u naslovu napisano \u201e0+\u201c, \u0161to (kako se ispostavilo) ne odgovara stvarnosti.<br \/>\nZatra\u017eene materijale (glasovne komande, screenshotove itd.) sam dostavio.<br \/>\nMolim vas, objasnite mi \u2014 za\u0161to se moje pitanje re\u0161ava tako dugo?<\/p>\n<p>pn, 20 apr. 2020. g., 20:51 Yandex.Podr\u0161ka<br \/>\nPozdravljen, Ivan!<br \/>\nHvala \u0161to ste nas obavestili o ovoj situaciji.<br \/>\nTrenutno ovaj re\u017eim filtrira sadr\u017eaj tako da ne dopu\u0161ta prikazivanje nasilnih videa ili videa seksualnog sadr\u017eaja.<br \/>\nPreneo sam va\u0161e primedbe stru\u010dnjacima. Radimo na pobolj\u0161anju de\u010dijeg re\u017eima.<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-20 18:06:47, Ivane<br \/>\nOvoj situaciji sam obavestio pre dve nedelje. Sada pitam za\u0161to se pitanje re\u0161ava tako dugo.<\/p>\n<p>pn, 20 apr. 2020. g., 21:42 Yandex.Podr\u0161ka<br \/>\nIvane, da, u pravu ste.<br \/>\nSvojom porukom sam \u017eeleo da skrenem pa\u017enju na to da je va\u0161e mi\u0161ljenje va\u017eno. Sve informacije su ve\u0107 prenete odgovornim stru\u010dnjacima.<br \/>\nTrenutno dje\u010dji re\u017eim funkcionira na ovaj na\u010din, ali zabilje\u017eili smo va\u0161u \u017eelju za unapre\u0111enjem filtracije sadr\u017eaja u ovom re\u017eimu.<br \/>\nNa\u017ealost, ne mogu re\u0107i kada \u0107e to biti realizovano, ali sve zabilje\u017eavamo i trudimo se to ostvariti u budu\u0107nosti.<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-20 18:46:11, Ivan<br \/>\nTo je divno, ali za\u0161to onda u stvarnosti vidim oznaku 0+, ako ona zapravo ne radi?<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-20 19:15:43, Yandex.Support<br \/>\nIvane, konzultirat \u0107u se sa kolegama oko ovog pitanja. \u010cim dobijem odgovor, javit \u0107u vam.<br \/>\nMolim vas, \u010dekajte moje pismo.<\/p>\n<p>ut, 21 apr. 2020. u 15:26, Yandex.Support<br \/>\nIlija, hvala vam na strpljenju.<br \/>\nVideo iz primjera koje ste naveli trenutno se smatra prikladnim za obiteljski re\u017eim.<br \/>\nTrenutno radimo na stro\u017eim filtrima za dje\u010dji re\u017eim.<br \/>\n\/\/\u0442\u0443\u0442 \u044f \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0418\u043b\u044c\u044f \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>2020-04-21 12:52:12, Ivan<br \/>\nDozvolite mi da pojasnim \u2014 ko se smatra prihvatljivim za 0+ video iz primjera?<br \/>\nNisam na\u0161ao stro\u017eih ograni\u010denja (od onih koja su trenutno postavljena) \u2014 prema tome, sude\u0107i po reklami, to i jeste 0+ re\u017eim.<br \/>\nU Saveznom zakonu 436-FZ jasno su opisane starosne klasifikacije i za 0+ psovke, nasilje i stra\u0161ne pri\u010de su jednozna\u010dno zabranjene.<br \/>\nOd mog prvog obra\u0107anja pro\u0161lo je dvije sedmice i sada pi\u0161ete u ime Yandexa da je to dopu\u0161teno?<br \/>\nAko si Yandex mo\u017ee priu\u0161titi da ignorira FZ, mogu i ja zahtijevati da se ovaj problem odmah re\u0161i.<br \/>\nYandex ima ta\u010dno jedan dan od trenutka slanja mog pisma za ispravku dje\u010djeg re\u017eima prema navedenim primjerima.<br \/>\nAko ne bude ispravki \u2014 uslijedit \u0107e moja obra\u0107anja i \u010dlanci u Roskomnadzor, Sportloto, Pikabu, Habr i televiziji RenTV.<br \/>\nHvala vam na pa\u017enji, vreme te\u010de.<\/p>\n<p>ut, 21 apr. 2020, 17:49 Yandex.Support<br \/>\nIlija, razumem vas. Na\u017ealost, u tako kratkom vremenu ne\u0107e biti mogu\u0107e uvesti promene u slo\u017een proces filtracije sadr\u017eaja. Ali sam prenio va\u0161e pismo odgovornima. Javi\u0107u kada budem imao novosti!<\/p>\n<p>21 apr. 2020, 17:55, Ivan<br \/>\nGospodo, imali ste dve nedelje.<br \/>\nNakon \u010dega ste mi saop\u0161tili da je ovaj sadr\u017eaj prihvatljiv. Na\u017ealost, ali se ne sla\u017eem ni ja (ni savezni zakon) s vama.<br \/>\nDa li da \u010dekam jo\u0161 dve nedelje?) Hvala, ve\u0107 sam \u010dekao.<br \/>\nVreme sam naveo, ostalo zavisi od vas.<br \/>\n\/\/\u0434\u0443\u043c\u0430\u044e, \u0447\u0438\u0442\u0430\u044f \u044d\u0442\u0443 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u0442\u044c\u044e \u0432\u0430\u043c \u0443\u0436\u0435 \u0441\u0442\u0430\u043b\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043d\u044f\u0442\u043d\u043e, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0440\u0435\u0437\u0443\u043b\u044c\u0442\u0430\u0442\u0430 \u043d\u0435\u0442<\/p>\n<p>In ne, ni to ni prito\u017eba. 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