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\nAzat Khadieva: P\u00ebrsh\u00ebndetje. Un\u00eb quhem Azat Khadiev. Jam zhvillues n\u00eb drejtimin e PaaS t\u00eb Mail.ru Cloud Solutions. M\u00eb bashkon k\u00ebtu Pavel Selivanov nga kompania Southbridge. Ne jemi n\u00eb konferenc\u00ebn DevOpsDays. Ai do t\u00eb flas\u00eb k\u00ebtu p\u00ebr at\u00eb se si me Kubernetes mund t\u00eb nd\u00ebrtohet DevOps, por ndoshta nuk do t'ju dal\u00eb. Pse nj\u00eb tem\u00eb kaq t\u00eb err\u00ebt?
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\nPavel Selivanov: N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb, ajo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb e err\u00ebt. Ajo p\u00ebrfshin m\u00ebnyrat se si po mundohemi t\u00eb zgjidhim shum\u00eb probleme n\u00eb komunitetin ton\u00eb me an\u00eb t\u00eb teknologjis\u00eb. Dhe ve\u00e7an\u00ebrisht ne p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u00eb zgjidhim n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb ngusht\u00eb. Kubernetes \u00ebsht\u00eb po aq, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb gj\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb cil\u00ebn p\u00ebrgjigjen, mund t\u00eb thuash, Ops. Por ne kemi nj\u00eb koncept t\u00eb mrekulluesh\u00ebm, inxhinierin DevOps. Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrgjegj\u00ebs p\u00ebr Kubernetes. Megjithat\u00eb\u2026 Diku, ju b\u00ebni Kubernetes, dhe ekipi i Dev-it nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb fare n\u00eb dijeni p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebto Kubernetes, nuk e din\u00eb se \u00e7far\u00eb lejon t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb \u2014 dhe p\u00ebr ta, gjith\u00e7ka funksionon po ashtu. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb pavar\u00ebsisht se Kubernetes p\u00ebrmban zgjidhje t\u00eb gatshme, mjete t\u00eb gatshme p\u00ebr t\u00eb shtrir\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb qasje DevOps, komunikimin mes Dev dhe Ops. Ne p\u00ebrdorim shum\u00eb pak k\u00ebt\u00eb mund\u00ebsi. Duke e setuar aktualisht strukturat tona n\u00eb t\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebto mjete DevOps \u2014 Docker, Kubernetes, re dhe k\u00ebshtu me radh\u00eb \u2014 ne e p\u00ebrkeq\u00ebsojm\u00eb situat\u00ebn akoma m\u00eb tej. Dhe mjetet fillojm\u00eb t'i p\u00ebrdorim ndryshe nga sa jan\u00eb menduar. Rreth t\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebtyre teknologjive krijohen thjesht mb\u00ebshtetje t\u00eb tmerrshme. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadiev: E qart\u00eb. Ndjehet se tema \u00ebsht\u00eb e gjer\u00eb. Si mendon, cila \u00ebsht\u00eb problemi m\u00eb i zakonsh\u00ebm p\u00ebr kompanit\u00eb tani? Me Kubernetes.<\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: Problemi m\u00eb i zakonsh\u00ebm me Kubernetes \u00ebsht\u00eb mungesa e kompetencave. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb p\u00ebrvoj\u00eb e zakonshme n\u00eb IT. Gjithmon\u00eb na mungojn\u00eb specialist\u00ebt. Gjithmon\u00eb na mungojn\u00eb kompetencat. Dhe tani me Kubernetes, mungesa e kompetencave \u00ebsht\u00eb akute. Nd\u00ebrkoh\u00eb, nuk ka zgjidhje t\u00eb gatshme n\u00eb treg q\u00eb mund\u00ebsojn\u00eb p\u00ebrdorimin e Kubernetes pa pasur kompetencat e nevojshme, ka shum\u00eb pak. Ajo q\u00eb ekziston ngre gjithmon\u00eb disa pyetje. Me Kubernetes, ne vazhdimisht jemi n\u00eb k\u00ebrkim t\u00eb njer\u00ebzve q\u00eb kuptojn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb. Po p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u00eb angazhojm\u00eb zhvillimin p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadiev: Duke marr\u00eb parasysh urin\u00eb aktuale p\u00ebr staf n\u00eb IT. E cila gjithmon\u00eb ka qen\u00eb. Dhe tani \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithashtu. Si mendon, si mund t\u00eb jetosh n\u00eb k\u00ebto kushte? \u00c7far\u00eb truke ka? <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: K\u00ebshilla p\u00ebr Jet\u00ebn. S\u00eb pari, nga k\u00ebndv\u00ebshtrimi i mjeteve t\u00eb bulkuar, k\u00ebshilla duket k\u00ebshtu \u2014 le t\u00eb na jepni nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb t\u00eb kompetencave tuaja. Dhe ne do t\u2019i marrim ato. Dhe do t\u00eb merremi me to brenda nesh. Dhe kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb e mir\u00eb. P\u00ebrve\u00e7 faktit se \u00ebsht\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme t\u00eb kuptohet p\u00ebr ata q\u00eb e p\u00ebrdorin k\u00ebt\u00eb\u2026 N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb moment i shk\u00eblqyer\u2026 Por \u00ebsht\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme t\u00eb kuptohet se duke dh\u00ebn\u00eb nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb t\u00eb kompetencave tona diku n\u00eb nj\u00eb sistem t\u00eb bulkuar ose te nj\u00eb ofrues, ne marrim n\u00eb k\u00ebmbim nj\u00eb zgjidhje universale. Thjesht, kemi nj\u00eb databaz\u00eb q\u00eb kryen funksione shum\u00eb specifike, dhe ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb konfiguruar n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb shum\u00eb specifike. Duke e dh\u00ebn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb databaz\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb sistem t\u00eb bulkuar, sigurisht ne mund ta largojm\u00eb administratorin q\u00eb m\u00eb par\u00eb merrej me klaster\u00ebt e databaz\u00ebs \u2014 e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb do ta b\u00ebj\u00eb Amazon ose Google p\u00ebr ne. Por po ashtu, Amazon ose Google nuk do t\u00eb na lejojn\u00eb ta konfigurim sakt\u00ebsisht databaz\u00ebn ton\u00eb. Projekte t\u00eb m\u00ebdha, kompani t\u00eb m\u00ebdha \u2014 ata n\u00eb \u00e7do rast arrijn\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb pik\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00ebs s\u00eb tyre ku p\u00ebrdorin zgjidhje t\u00eb bulkuara, e m\u00eb pas n\u00eb \u00e7do rast kthehen p\u00ebr t\u00eb marr\u00eb p\u00ebrs\u00ebri kompetencat te vetja, sepse k\u00ebrkohet nj\u00eb zgjidhje m\u00eb specifike.<\/p>\n

Azat Khadievi: Zgjidhjet universale \u2014 jan\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebqija apo mbi to mund t\u00eb nd\u00ebrtohet m\u00eb shum\u00eb? <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: Jo, zgjidhjet universale \u2014 sigurisht q\u00eb nuk jan\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebqija. Zgjidhjet universale \u2014 jan\u00eb t\u00eb mira. Thjesht zgjidhjet universale \u2026 jan\u00eb universale. K\u00ebtu \u00ebsht\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme t\u00eb kuptohet. \u00cbsht\u00eb si t\u00eb marr\u00ebsh nj\u00eb skenar t\u00eb p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt... N\u00ebse rreth k\u00ebtij skenari t\u00eb p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt, aplikimi t\u00ebnd i p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt, mund t\u00eb nd\u00ebrtohet e gjith\u00eb logjika e pun\u00ebs s\u00eb kompanis\u00eb \u2014 at\u00ebher\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb e mrekullueshme. Por, n\u00ebse logjika e pun\u00ebs \u00ebsht\u00eb ndryshe, por ti merr k\u00ebt\u00eb zgjidhje universale, k\u00ebt\u00eb skenar universal \u2014 dhe fillon, si nj\u00eb pushtues mbi glob, ta zgjidh\u00ebsh, at\u00ebher\u00eb kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb e keqe. Por n\u00eb vet\u00eb universalismin nuk ka asgj\u00eb t\u00eb keqe. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadievi: N\u00ebse administratori yt tashm\u00eb po punon, problemi nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb shkarkimin e tij. Ai thjesht mund t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb. <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: Po, merrni rutin\u00ebn e tij dhe jepeni dikujt tjet\u00ebr, q\u00eb ato t\u00eb b\u00ebhen diku tjet\u00ebr. Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb pa dyshim nj\u00eb qasje e mir\u00eb. Nj\u00eb moment i r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00ebse kjo zgjidhje standardi i p\u00ebrshtatet rastit specifik. <\/p>\n

Azat Hadiu: Bazuar n\u00eb p\u00ebrvoj\u00ebn time, po e shoh se shum\u00eb kompani b\u00ebjn\u00eb t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebn gj\u00eb. Ato konfiguroni klusterin Kubernetes, mendojn\u00eb p\u00ebr shkall\u00ebzimin e tij. T\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebto operacione jan\u00eb shum\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrs\u00ebritura. <\/p>\n

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Azat Khadiev: Si mendon p\u00ebr gjendjen aktuale t\u00eb Kubernetes? \u00c7far\u00eb do t\u00eb ndodh\u00eb me t\u00eb pas pes\u00eb dhe dhjet\u00eb vjet\u00ebsh?<\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: Pyetja \u00ebsht\u00eb e mir\u00eb. Un\u00eb thjesht e di se \u00e7far\u00eb ndodh n\u00eb komunitet n\u00eb lidhje me k\u00ebt\u00eb. Disa njer\u00ebz besojn\u00eb se p\u00ebrve\u00e7 Kubernetes, nuk do t\u00eb mbetet asgj\u00eb. Situata q\u00eb ka ndodhur prej koh\u00ebsh me Linux. Pra, jasht\u00eb Linux, ka njer\u00ebz q\u00eb jetojn\u00eb n\u00eb BSD, ndoshta ata kan\u00eb detyra shum\u00eb specifike. Ka njer\u00ebz q\u00eb punojn\u00eb n\u00ebn Windows \u2014 server\u00ebt Windows \u2014 ndoshta ata gjithashtu kan\u00eb detyra specifike, ose thjesht kan\u00eb kompetenc\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb fush\u00eb dhe nuk jan\u00eb t\u00eb gatsh\u00ebm t\u00eb largohen nga aty. N\u00eb \u00e7do rast, standardi n\u00eb fush\u00ebn ton\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb Linux. Ka mendime q\u00eb Kubernetes do t\u00eb b\u00ebhet nj\u00eb standard de-fakto i till\u00eb, dhe p\u00ebrve\u00e7 Kubernetes nuk do t\u00eb ket\u00eb asgj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr. Kubernetes do t\u00eb menaxhoj\u00eb jo vet\u00ebm aplikacionet, por edhe implementimin, shp\u00ebrndarjen, dhe skalimin e tyre. N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb do t\u00eb menaxhoj\u00eb gjith\u00e7ka. Tani e tutje, njer\u00ebzit e pyesin: \"A \u00ebsht\u00eb e mundur t\u00eb fus\u00ebsh nj\u00eb baz\u00eb t\u00eb dh\u00ebnash n\u00eb Kubernetes?\" Un\u00eb zakonisht flas p\u00ebr faktin se k\u00ebtu \u00e7\u00ebshtja nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb Kubernetes, por n\u00eb Docker. N\u00ebse jeni t\u00eb gatsh\u00ebm q\u00eb baza juaj e t\u00eb dh\u00ebnave t\u00eb funksionoj\u00eb n\u00eb kontejner\u00eb, si do t\u00eb funksionoj\u00eb ajo. M\u00eb p\u00ebrgjigjen: \"Jo, jo, jo, prisni. Nuk ka nevoj\u00eb p\u00ebr kontejner\u00eb. Duhet n\u00eb Kubernetes. Ne do ta lidhim me nodin. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb gjith\u00e7ka do t\u00eb jet\u00eb si\u00e7 e kemi tani, vet\u00ebm se gjith\u00eb kjo do t\u00eb menaxhohet nga Kubernetes.\" Dhe kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb ide e mir\u00eb n\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb. Pra, Kubernetes \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb gj\u00eb e till\u00eb, kur mund t\u00eb t\u00eb vijn\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb kompani, n\u00ebse n\u00eb kompani ka Kubernetes dhe procese t\u00eb nd\u00ebrtuara mbi t\u00eb, at\u00ebher\u00eb personi q\u00eb e kupton k\u00ebt\u00eb \u2014 i mjafton t\u00eb shikoj\u00eb p\u00ebr disa dit\u00eb, p\u00ebr t\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb: \"Un\u00eb jam i gatsh\u00ebm t'ju mb\u00ebshtes. Plot\u00ebsisht. Nga fillimi deri n\u00eb fund. Kuptova si funksionon gjith\u00e7ka te ju.\" N\u00eb ndryshim nga qasjet pa Kubernetes \u2014 k\u00ebtu jan\u00eb disa ndihm\u00ebs, k\u00ebtu jan\u00eb disa t\u00eb tjer\u00eb. K\u00ebtu \u00ebsht\u00eb Ansible, k\u00ebtu \u00ebsht\u00eb Terraform. Disa e kan\u00eb shkruar k\u00ebt\u00eb, dhe mund t\u00eb duhen gjasht\u00eb muaj p\u00ebr t'u \u00e7lodhur. Prandaj, n\u00ebse Kubernetes do t\u00eb b\u00ebhet standard de-fakto, nuk e di. N\u00eb dit\u00ebn e sotme ai duket shum\u00eb m\u00eb ambicioz dhe m\u00eb i sigurt se zgjidhjet q\u00eb e rrethojn\u00eb. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadiev: Pra, krahasimi me Linux \u00ebsht\u00eb mjaft i guximsh\u00ebm. Ai funksionon n\u00eb nj\u00eb makin\u00eb \u2014 dhe gjith\u00e7ka. Nd\u00ebrsa Kubernetes punon n\u00eb shum\u00eb makina. Menj\u00ebher\u00eb lindin miliona variacione, arsye. Po, \u00ebsht\u00eb guximsh\u00ebm. Thjesht, n\u00ebse merren parasysh q\u00eb ka konkurrent\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebsaj paradigme. P\u00ebr shembull, Serverless. A \u00ebsht\u00eb Kubernetes n\u00eb rrezik p\u00ebrball\u00eb k\u00ebtyre konkurrent\u00ebve? <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: Nga Serverless... (qesh) Serverless \u2014 ne jemi gjithsesi me vet\u00ebdije se serverit<\/a> ndjekim se ka. Un\u00eb s\u00eb fundi d\u00ebgjova nj\u00eb referat p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb tem\u00eb. Nj\u00eb njeri tha se server\u00ebt gjithsesi ekzistojn\u00eb \u2014 dhe ky \u00ebsht\u00eb re. Por ne gjithmon\u00eb duhet t\u00eb kuptojm\u00eb se n\u00eb re \u2014 aty gjithashtu ka server\u00eb. Aty jan\u00eb server\u00ebt e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb, rafti, dhe ato jan\u00eb instaluar diku. Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb re. Mbi k\u00ebt\u00eb ekziston Serverless, ku server\u00ebve<\/a> \u00abjo\u00bb. Pra ndaj, a do ta fitoj\u00eb Serverless Kubernetes? M\u00eb duket se Serverless do t\u00eb kaloj\u00eb n\u00eb Kubernetes. P\u00ebr ofruesit q\u00eb ofrojn\u00eb Serverless, Kubernetes \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb platform\u00eb shum\u00eb e p\u00ebrshtatshme p\u00ebr ta ofruar k\u00ebt\u00eb sh\u00ebrbim. Po, ndoshta n\u00eb nj\u00eb moment t\u00eb caktuar ne do t\u00eb ndalojm\u00eb s\u00eb foluri p\u00ebr Kubernetes si nj\u00eb zhvillim t\u00eb zakonsh\u00ebm t\u00eb aplikacioneve biznesore. Por diku thell\u00eb, do t\u00eb ket\u00eb Kubernetes p\u00ebr ofruesit dhe inxhinier\u00ebt, ku gjith\u00e7ka do t\u00eb realizohet. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadiev: Nj\u00eb tem\u00eb tjet\u00ebr. Ekziston nj\u00eb koncept i inxhinierit fullstack. \u00c7far\u00eb mendon ti p\u00ebr ta? A ekzistojn\u00eb ata n\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb? <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: E\u2026 Inxhinier Fullstack\u2026 M\u00eb duket se duhet t\u00eb ndarim k\u00ebto gj\u00ebra rreth asaj q\u00eb\u2026 E di, ka nj\u00eb koncept q\u00eb quhet njer\u00ebz T-shaped. A jan\u00eb t\u00eb nevojsh\u00ebm njer\u00ebz si k\u00ebta n\u00eb industrin\u00eb e sotme? Po, pa dyshim q\u00eb jan\u00eb t\u00eb nevojsh\u00ebm. Na duhen njer\u00ebz q\u00eb kan\u00eb nj\u00eb pamje t\u00eb gjer\u00eb, por nj\u00ebkoh\u00ebsisht jan\u00eb specialist\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb fush\u00eb t\u00eb ngusht\u00eb. Dhe k\u00ebtu inxhinieri Fullstack \u00ebsht\u00eb e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb \u2014 nj\u00eb njeri q\u00eb b\u00ebn gjith\u00e7ka. Duke filluar nga zhvillimi i frontend-it, testimi, backend, server\u00ebt dhe gjith\u00e7ka tjet\u00ebr. Nuk besoj se n\u00eb nj\u00eb kompani t\u00eb madhe nj\u00eb njeri mund ta b\u00ebj\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb pa pasur specializime t\u00eb ngushta p\u00ebr \u00e7do nga parametrat. Por nj\u00ebkoh\u00ebsisht, vet\u00ebm duke pasur nj\u00eb specializim t\u00eb ngusht\u00eb dhe duke th\u00ebn\u00eb \u201cnuk di gj\u00eb p\u00ebr at\u00eb q\u00eb ndodh rreth k\u00ebtij aspekti\u201d \u2014 kjo gjithashtu nuk funksionon n\u00eb bot\u00ebn moderne. Prandaj do t\u00eb thoja\u2026 do e heqja fjal\u00ebn Fullstack. Na duhen inxhinier\u00eb shum\u00eb. Na duhen DevOps. E ndjej q\u00eb s\u00eb shpejti do ta rishikojm\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb moment. Dhe ata do t\u00eb jen\u00eb t\u00eb pavendosur. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadiev: Mund ta zbuloosh? <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: M\u00eb duket se n\u00eb industri do t\u00eb arrijm\u00eb deri n\u00eb at\u00eb pik\u00eb sa k\u00ebto role Dev dhe Ops do t\u00eb vazhdojn\u00eb t\u00eb zhduken. N\u00ebse na duhen specialist\u00eb dhe ne po i k\u00ebrkojm\u00eb... Na nevojitet nj\u00eb zhvillues i caktuar, na duhen administrata t\u00eb caktuara, na duhen inxhinier\u00eb DevOps \u2014 tani i kemi k\u00ebtu, dhe tani do t\u00eb kemi gjithashtu inxhinier\u00eb prodhimi, inxhinier\u00eb SRE. Megjithat\u00eb, n\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb ajo q\u00eb na nevojitet jan\u00eb inxhinier\u00ebt q\u00eb d\u00ebshirojm\u00eb t\u00eb pun\u00ebsojm\u00eb. E kaluara e tyre n\u00eb fakt nuk ka r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi. Sepse... P\u00ebr shembull, SRE thot\u00eb se problemet e infrastruktur\u00ebs gjithmon\u00eb jan\u00eb t\u00eb natyr\u00ebs softuerike. Nd\u00ebrsa... Le t\u00eb marrim zhvilluesit \u2014 nga pik\u00ebpamja q\u00eb zhvilluesi \u00ebsht\u00eb inxhinier \u2014 t'i vendosim ata n\u00eb departamentin e mb\u00ebshtetjes dhe ata do t\u00eb zgjidhin k\u00ebto probleme nj\u00ebsoj si\u00e7 zgjidhin problemet e biznesit me an\u00eb t\u00eb kodit, me an\u00eb t\u00eb inxhinieris\u00eb, si e till\u00eb. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadiev: Dhe nga kjo pik\u00ebpamje... Si t\u00eb intervistosh k\u00ebta inxhinier\u00eb? <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: Oh, nj\u00eb pyetje e mir\u00eb. Ka t\u00eb ngjar\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb jasht\u00eb asaj q\u00eb un\u00eb kuptoj n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb jet\u00eb. Por un\u00eb do t\u00eb jepja nj\u00eb shembull. Kjo nuk ka lidhje me intervist\u00ebn. \u00cbsht\u00eb p\u00ebr sistemin ton\u00eb arsimor n\u00eb Rusi. N\u00eb IT ne e dim\u00eb se sistemi yn\u00eb arsimor n\u00eb Rusi p\u00ebr bot\u00ebn IT \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb i vjetruar, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb si\u00e7 duhet t\u00eb jet\u00eb. Po flas mesatarisht p\u00ebr Rusin\u00eb e madhe \u2014 dhe \u00e7far\u00eb ndodh atje. Dalin njer\u00ebz q\u00eb jan\u00eb krejt\u00ebsisht t\u00eb pap\u00ebrgatitur p\u00ebr t\u00eb shkuar nes\u00ebr n\u00eb zhvillimin web, n\u00eb nj\u00eb kompani teknologjike. Dhe kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb e keqe. Ne i m\u00ebsojm\u00eb ata disa gj\u00ebra t\u00eb \u00e7uditshme, kur n\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb duhet t\u00eb m\u00ebsojm\u00eb se si t\u00eb zhvillojn\u00eb p\u00ebr Android, p\u00ebr iOS, si t\u00eb p\u00ebrdorin Git dhe gjith\u00eb k\u00ebto gj\u00ebra. N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb duket se nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb ashtu. Instituti \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb periudh\u00eb kur n\u00eb shumic\u00ebn e rasteve prind\u00ebrit paguajn\u00eb p\u00ebr ty. P\u00ebr gjith\u00eb jet\u00ebn t\u00ebnde. Dhe ti mund t\u00eb ndash pes\u00eb vjet t\u00eb jet\u00ebs t\u00ebnde p\u00ebr t\u00eb studiuar n\u00eb thell\u00ebsi. Dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb studiuar gjith\u00e7ka q\u00eb ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me T-shaped. Kur n\u00eb institut mund t\u00eb studiojm\u00eb se \u00e7far\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb sistemi i kontrollit t\u00eb versioneve, \u00e7far\u00eb jan\u00eb modelet e zhvillimit, si testohen gj\u00ebrat, \u00e7far\u00eb llojesh bazash t\u00eb dh\u00ebnash dhe balancuesish ka. Dhe kur fillon pun\u00ebn, fillon t\u00eb thellohesh n\u00eb nj\u00eb fush\u00eb t\u00eb caktuar. K\u00ebshtu ne marrim inxhinier\u00eb. Dhe sistemi yn\u00eb arsimor n\u00eb Rusi \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb m\u00eb af\u00ebr k\u00ebsaj t\u00eb v\u00ebrtete se sa na duket. Na jep nj\u00eb p\u00ebrgatitje t\u00eb mir\u00eb matematikore, na jep nj\u00eb p\u00ebrgatitje t\u00eb mir\u00eb algoritmike, na jep nj\u00ebfar\u00eb p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebsimi p\u00ebr gjuh\u00ebt e programimit. Dhe p\u00ebr intervistat, m\u00eb duket se \u00ebsht\u00eb di\u00e7ka e af\u00ebrt me k\u00ebt\u00eb. Na nevojiten inxhinier\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb intervistuar. Na nevojitet pjesa e sip\u00ebrme e shkronj\u00ebs T n\u00eb T-shaped. Sepse ai do ta marr\u00eb vij\u00ebn vertikale t\u00eb shkronj\u00ebs T. <\/p>\n

Azat Khadiev: Po, interesante. M\u00eb pas pes\u00eb vjet pas universitetit, m\u00eb dukej se edukimi im ishte nj\u00ebfar\u00eb \u00e7mendurie dhe jo adekuat. Pastaj, gjat\u00eb pun\u00ebs, kur detyrat u b\u00ebn\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb thella dhe projektet m\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00ebdha, e kuptova se jo, m\u00eb kan\u00eb m\u00ebsuar gj\u00ebra shum\u00eb t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme. Pavel, faleminderit. Ishte shum\u00eb interesante t\u00eb d\u00ebgjoj p\u00ebrgjigjet e tua. T\u00eb d\u00ebgjojm\u00eb ligj\u00ebrat\u00ebn t\u00ebnde. <\/p>\n

Pavel Selivanov: Faleminderit juve.
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