UAnton Kozubov uthathe inxaxheba kwisiqendu sesithathu. iqela lethiyori . Siye saxoxa ngomsebenzi wakhe kunye neenkcukacha zeshishini.
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: Ngokwazi kwam, ujongana nezihloko ezikhethekileyo.
Anton: Ewe, kukho uluvo olunjalo, kodwa sizama ukuqhubela phambili kwizinto ezisisiseko. Nangona abantu abaninzi ngakumbi benomdla kwinkalo ye-quantum cryptography, ayisiyiyo eyona ndawo ishushu yesayensi. Kukho isiseko esihle apha, kodwa iteknoloji sele ifikelele kwinqanaba lobunjineli bophuhliso.
Yonke into yaqala ukukhula emva kweminyaka engama-80 yenkulungwane edlulileyo, kwaye ngokwemigangatho yesayensi, ixesha elininzi lidlulile. Oosonzululwazi baye basuka kwithiyori kunye neemvavanyo ukuya kwezona zinto zihlekisayo kunye nezixhobo ezisebenza ngokupheleleyo. Iinkqubo ezinjalo kudala zikhona eSwitzerland, apho i-ID Quantique isebenza khona. Baye baqalisa ngo-2005 okanye ngo-2006, kwaye le minyaka ilishumi yaqala ukubonelela ngeenkqubo ze-quantum cryptography kwiibhanki zaseSwitzerland naseAustria. Oku akuseyiyo iteknoloji yexesha elizayo.
Kusekho imibuzo emininzi eseleyo malunga nobungqina bokufihlakala kweenkqubo ezinjalo. Le yeyona nto siyenzayo kakhulu kule ndawo. Kodwa imigaqo esisiseko sele ifunyenwe.
Dmitriy: Ngaba ungasixelela ukuba yintoni eyabangela iingcali ukuba zifunde le ndawo ngokweenkcukacha? Bazichaza njani iingxaki zokuqala kunye nemingeni ababejongene nayo?
Anton: Libali elihlekisayo. Njengoko kuhlala kusenzeka kwisayensi, saqala ukufunda isihloko kuba nje sinomdla. Kwakungekho njongo ikhethekileyo. Ngelo xesha kwakukholelwa ukuba le yayiyeyona ndlela ikhuselekileyo yokuhanjiswa kwedatha, kwaye ngelo xesha yayihambele phambili ngokwenene. Isihloko sokhuseleko lolwazi luye lwaba lufanelekileyo ngakumbi nangakumbi, kodwa ukongeza koku, siye safikelela kwisigqibo sokuba kunokwenzeka ukwenza uhlobo olutsha lwekhompyuter usebenzisa iziphumo ezahlukeneyo ze-quantum. Banezakhono ezinomdla kakhulu, kubandakanya ukukwazi ukwaphula i-cryptography ekhoyo.
Dmitriy: Imiba yokhuseleko iye yavela ngaphambili, umzekelo, ngexesha leMfazwe ebandayo. Kodwa ngaba ukuqala kolu shishino kusondele ekuveleni kothungelwano oluninzi?
Anton: Ulungile. Unako kwakhona ukuyijonga kule mbono. Kodwa into ehlekisayo kukuba intsimi ye-quantum cryptography yafunyanwa ngabantu ababini ababenxulumene ngakumbi nentsimi ye-IT. Banikezela umsebenzi wabo wokuqala, ochaza imigaqo esisiseko, kwinkomfa ye-IT. Ke ewe, ivela apho.
Dmitriy: Ungene njani kweli candelo? Yayiyintoni inkuthazo yakho?
Anton: Ukuthetha ngokuphandle, yayifana - yayinomdla. Kodwa ekuqaleni andizange ndingene kwi-quantum cryptography. Iqale nge . Kuye kwavela ukuba iingxaki kwesi sihloko azihambelani neemfuno zebhubhoratri, ngoko ke ndatshintshela kwi-quantum cryptography. Kodwa ukwenza into nje enye akubangeli mdla kangako, kwaye kukwakho neendawo ezininzi ezinxibeleleneyo, ngoko ke asinakuthetha ngohlobo olukhethekileyo lomsebenzi wethu.
Amathuba oosonzululwazi abasuka kwiinkalo ezinxulumeneyo
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Dmitriy: Ngu sinokuthi isangqa esilinganiselweyo sabantu ababandakanyekayo kwesi sihloko. Ungalithelekelela inani leengcaphephe kwicandelo lakho? Okanye ngaba iseyiklabhu evaliweyo kakhulu?
Anton: Ivaliwe, kodwa kuphela kwindawo ekumgangatho ophezulu. Baninzi abantu emhlabeni ababandakanyekayo kwithiyori yolwazi lwe-quantum kwiimbonakalo zayo ezahlukeneyo. Andazi ukuba ndingaliqikelela njani inani labo, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo bangaphezulu kwamashumi amathathu abantu abebekule nkomfa.
Ndicinga ukuba eli asilowaka elinye lazo zonke. Abantu abaninzi bayahamba ngenxa yokuba le yenye yezona ndawo ziphambili kwisayensi. Onke amaziko aphambili anawo ithiyori yolwazi lwe-quantum okanye i-quantum optics kunye nezinto ezinxulumeneyo. Omnye umbuzo ngowokuba bangaphi abantu abantywiliselwe kwi-niche ekhethekileyo njengobungqina bokuqina kweenkqubo ze-quantum cryptography.
Olu luntu luncinci, kodwa lubanzi. Abo bebezimase le nkomfa ibingazo zonke iingcali ezikhokelayo kweli candelo. Kukho malunga nekhulu kubo ehlabathini lonke. Ubungqina bamandla eenkqubo ze-quantum cryptography zivele kutshanje, ekuqaleni kwe-2000s. Abantu abasebenza kweli candelo baye benza ezinye izinto ngaphambili. Umzekelo, i-quantum optics, uphando olusisiseko. Zisabalulekile. Beza kwindawo yethu bevela kwifiziksi.
Kukwakho nabo bavela kwithiyori yolwazi lwakudala okanye imathematika. Ekuvavanyeni ubungqina bokuchasana, iintlobo ezahlukeneyo ze-entropy zidlala indima eqinisekileyo. Apho zisetyenziswa khona - kwi-thermodynamics. Abantu abayiqondayo indlela i-quantum entropies esebenza ngayo kwithiyori yolwazi banokusebenzisa ulwazi lwabo kwi-quantum thermodynamics. Omnye wezazinzulu ezikhokelayo kweli candelo, uRenato Renner waseZurich, ufunda ithiyori yolwazi lwequantum apho, kwaye eSanta Barbara unika ikhosi yeentetho ze-quantum thermodynamics.
Yeyiphi imingeni uluntu olujongene nayo?
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Dmitriy: Yeyiphi imibuzo osebenza kuyo namhlanje? Yeyiphi imingeni ephambili? Yintoni ngoku emele ibha efuna ukuhanjiswa phambili?
Anton: Sinokuthetha ngale nto kumacala amabini ahlukeneyo. Ngokombono wam, inxalenye esetyenzisiweyo ayinomdla kangako. Ukuhanjiswa okungundoqo kwe-Quantum sele kufikelele kwisikali semizi-mveliso, kodwa wonke umntu ufuna ukuqonda ukuba angenza njani ukuba aqinisekise ukuba bajongana nokuhanjiswa kwe-quantum hayi enye into. Ukwenza oku, kuyimfuneko ukuqinisekisa izixhobo, ngoko ukuphuhliswa kwemigangatho ekhethekileyo yenye yeengxaki eziphambili kwihlabathi, ngaphezu kwenxalenye yobunjineli. Uninzi lwezazinzulu ezikhokelayo kweli candelo zijolise iinzame zazo koku.
Inkalo yesibini yomsebenzi wethu bubungqina bokomelela kweenkqubo. I-cryptography yakudala isekwe kwingqikelelo yokuba umhlaseli akanawo amandla aneleyo e-computing okususa ukuntsonkotha kwedatha ngelixa isasebenza. Kodwa kusenokwenzeka ukuba ezo ngcinga azisoloko zichanekile, ngoko ke kufuneka sifudukele kwiparadigm eyahlukileyo yokhuseleko lwedatha-ukuqinisekisa ukuba ukukwazi ukucima ukuntsonkotha akutshintshi ngokuhamba kwexesha.
Senza ukuhanjiswa kwe-quantum key. Oku kuthetha ukuba sisasaza isitshixo ekufuneka sisetyenziswe ukufihla ulwazi. Isitshixo esinjalo sinokubiwa, kodwa sizama ukwazisa i-paradigm apho oku kungeke kwenzeke. Ukuba ngexesha lokusasazwa kwayo umntu uhlasela ijelo lethu, siya kuhlala siyibona. Esi sisiseko se-classical paradigm ye-quantum cryptography. Oku kuphunyezwa ngokusebenzisa iifotoni zodwa.
Baneempawu ezintathu. Ezi ziinxalenye ezincinci zamandla; Azinakukhutshelwa. Umbuso we-quantum ongaziwayo awukwazi ukukopishwa, kuba oku kufuneka kulinganiswe, kwaye oku akunakwenziwa ngaphandle kokutshabalalisa i-quantum state. Xa silinganisa, iyawa.
Ngenxa yezi zakhiwo, unokujonga izakhono zomhlaseli - simbiza ngokuba nguEva (ukusuka kwi-eavesdropper) - ukusuka kwindawo eyahlukileyo yokujonga. Sithi sinika uEva yonke into enokwenzeka ngaphakathi kwemida yemithetho yefiziksi. Inkumbulo ye-quantum, ii-detectors ezifanelekileyo-asikho nokuba sisondele kule nto, kodwa siyinika amathuba anjalo. Kwaye nangoku engqondweni, sithi akazukufumana idatha ephambili ngaphandle kokuba siyazi. Yile nto i-quantum cryptography paradigm yakhiwe kuyo kuqala.
Kodwa konke oku kulungile okoko nje sithetha ngeefotoni ezingatshatanga. Nangona kunjalo, imithombo yeefotoni enye inqabile, isantya esisezantsi kwaye iyabiza, ke akukho mntu uyisebenzisayo kule nkqubo. Zonke zisebenzisa i-laser radiation ethotyiweyo.
Dmitriy: Kwaye oku kuthelekiseka njani neempawu obuthetha ngazo?
Anton: Itshintsha i-paradigm kunye nendlela yokubonakalisa ukomelela. Lo isengumsebenzi onokwenzeka, kodwa unzima kakhulu. Kwimeko apho sisebenzisa into engeyiyo kanye le ebesiya kuyidinga kwiimeko ezifanelekileyo, oko kukuthi amazwe abuthathaka, kufuneka sikuthathele ingqalelo oku kubungqina bethu bokuzingisa. Senza oku, kwaye ihlabathi lonke lihamba kweli cala.
Dmitriy: Ngaba le ndlela ithathela ingqalelo izixhobo ezisekupheleni komjelo wonxibelelwano?
Anton: Ekuqaleni, ukuhanjiswa okungundoqo kwe-quantum kusetyenziswe uqikelelo olufana noluvo lokuba uEva akanakungena kwiibhokisi zika-Alice kunye noBob, kodwa unokufikelela kwijelo lonxibelelwano. Olu ayiloqikelelo olunokwenzeka kakhulu. Namhlanje kukho i-quantum hacking. Usixelela ukuba kwi-fiber optical okanye i-quantum channel kunokwenzeka ukuba utshintshe "useto" usebenzisa i-exposure.
Lo myalelo uthathelwa ingqalelo kwimiba yoqinisekiso. Sinebhubhoratri enkulu eMoscow apho uVadim Makarov, mhlawumbi owaziwa kakhulu "i-quantum hacker" emhlabeni, usebenza. Kwamanye amazwe bakwenza oku ngenkuthalo. Yile nto bendifumana kuyo. Indlela uEva anokungena ngayo kwiibhokisi zethu yeyona ngxaki yobunjineli. Ndandidla ngokuzigqala njengososayensi, ngoko ke kubangelβ umdla kum ukujonga uEva ngenye indlela. Umzekelo, funda indlela anokungena ngayo kwijelo lonxibelelwano kwaye ebe yonke into ngaphandle kokuqaphela kwethu. Ndikhetha ukusebenzela abantu abalungileyo, u-Alice no-Bob, kodwa ukuphonononga ukuhlaselwa okunokwenzeka kwiinkqubo zokusasaza eziphambili ze-quantum.
Intshayelelo emfutshane yeQuantum Hacking
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Dmitriy: Ngaba ungazichaza iimpawu zohlaselo olunjalo?
Anton: Iimpawu ezamkelwe ngokubanzi zohlulwe zibe ziindidi ezintathu. Ukuhlaselwa komntu phakathi-phakathi kufana nokuhlaselwa kwe-classic man-in-middle (MITM). Uhlobo lwesibini lungabonakali ngakumbi, xa uEva ngandlel 'ithile enxibelelana nepasile nganye kwisitishi sethu se-quantum kwaye egcina isiphumo sokusebenzisana okunjalo kwimemori yayo ye-quantum. Emva koko, ulinda iinkqubo ezilandelwa nguAlice noBob ukuze bavumelane, ufumana ulwazi olungakumbi, uthatha imilinganiselo, njalo njalo. Olu luhlaselo oluhlangeneyo, kodwa kukho uhlobo lwesithathu - ngakumbi abstract. Uvavanyo lweeparamitha zokwenyani zongezwa apho.
Kuhlobo lwesibini lohlaselo, sicinga ukuba uAlice noBob babelana ngamasuntswana angenasiphelo phakathi kwabo. Enyanisweni, oku akunakwenzeka, kwaye ngokukhawuleza xa sisiya kwimiqulu elinganiselweyo, ukuguquguquka kwezibalo kuqala ukubonakala. Basenokuba badlalela ezandleni zikaEva. Uhlaselo oluluqilima lukwathathela ingqalelo umda wemithombo. Le yinto entsonkothileyo, kwaye ayizizo zonke iiprothokholi zokuhambisa ezingundoqo ezinobungqina obubanzi bokhuseleko.
Kubalulekile ukuqonda ukuba sihambisa amasuntswana angundoqo kunye nokwenza izitshixo. Indlela ozisebenzisa ngayo ngakumbi ixhomekeke kuwe. Kulapho imiba ye-cryptography ingena khona. Ukuba uthatha ii-algorithms zanamhlanje ezifana ne-asymmetric encryption, usebenzisa nje ezi zitshixo, akusebenzi. Ekuphela kwendlela yokuqinisekisa ukuxhathisa yi-encryption pad. Emva koko akukho mibuzo, kodwa oku kufuneka uvelise izitshixo rhoqo kwaye uzitshintshe kumyalezo ngamnye. Le yinkqubo enzima.
β¨Undoqo wokusasazwa okungundoqo we-quantum kukuba kulo lonke uhlaselo luka-Eva, singakwazi ukwaba umthamo onjalo wamasuntswana asasazwayo ukuba nguAlice kuphela noBob kuphela abaya kwazi. UEva akayi kukwazi ngaye. Le yinjongo ephambili yomsebenzi wethu. Kodwa ndinomdla wokuza nohlaselo olunjalo ukuze u-Alice noBob baqiniseke ngokukhuseleka kwabo, kwaye u-Eva wayeya kulungiselela yonke into ngendlela yokudlula ukhuseleko.
Awukwazi ukuyithatha nje kwaye ungaphazamisi oogxa bakho
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Dmitriy: Kuyavela ukuba umsebenzi onjalo ophambili unokurhoxisa ngokulula iziphumo zabalingane kuluntu lwamazwe ngamazwe?
Anton: Ta, isemina yaseKhanada othethe ngayo yeyona nto iyiyo. Apho ndatsho ukuba yile nto kanye esiyenzileyo, nto leyo eyabangela ukuba kubekho ukungakhathali. Iyacaciswa. Abantu bebesenza isayensi iminyaka engamashumi amabini anesihlanu, kwaye ke umntu uyeza athi iziphumo zabo bezingalunganga ngokupheleleyo. Ikwabonisa nendlela eya kwenziwa ngayo ngokuchanekileyo. Ibindikhukhumele kakhulu. Kodwa ndiyakholelwa ukuba sikwazile ukwenza uhlaselo abaninzi abangaluthatheli ngqalelo okanye baluthathele ingqalelo.
Dmitriy: Ngaba ungathetha ngayo kwaye uyichaze ubuncinci ngokwemigaqo ngokubanzi?
Anton: Ewe okuqinisekile. Into ehlekisayo kukuba olu luhlaselo lwe-hijack-and-forward - eyona ilula onokucinga ngayo. Kuphela itshintshile kwaye intsonkothile, njengoko ndinokuthi. Namhlanje, xa ujonga ubungqina bokuzingisa, abantu bathi zonke iziteshi ze-quantum zichaza nje ukuhanjiswa kolwazi phakathi kuka-Alice, uBob noEva.
Yintoni ebalulekileyo kukuba kule meko yonke imilinganiselo ye-quantum states yenzeke emva kolu lwabiwo. Sicebisa ukuchaza umjelo we-quantum ngendlela equlathe umlinganiso onxulumene nelizwe eliguqukayo kwaye libekwe kuBob. Xa sithetha, sinento embindini wetshaneli, izama ukwahlula phakathi kwamazwe, into eyahlulayo ithumela kuBob, into engahluleli iibhloko. Ke, yonke into eza kuBob yaziwa nguEva. Kuya kubonakala ngathi yingcamango ecacileyo, kodwa ngenxa yesizathu esithile akukho mntu ehlabathini uthetha ngayo.
Dmitriy: Kwaye ubonise ukuba kunokwenzeka ukuba wenze uhlaselo olunjalo.
Anton: Ewe, ndathetha ngale nto eToronto. Saba neengxoxo ezishushu nabantu abebesebenza kweli candelo ixesha elide ndisaphila. Yayibangelβ umdla, ibe ngamava aluncedo kakhulu.
Kutheni kubalulekile ukuba ungangxami ekupapasheni iindlela zokukhusela
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Dmitriy: Ukusebenzisa isifaniso esisisiseko kunye nentsholongwane kunye ne-antivirus, intsimi yakho yomsebenzi kunye nengqiqo ibandakanya inkqubo emise okwe-T kude nomzila wogqatso emva komnye. Ngaba sinokuthi indlela enjalo iya kudala iingxaki ezintsha zeengxaki kwaye kuya kufuneka zisonjululwe kwezinye iinqwelomoya, hayi nje kwenye, njengangoku?
Anton: Umbuzo olungileyo kakhulu. Kufuneka ndicace apha. Ewe, ndinomdla wokuza neendlela zokuhlasela. Kodwa sonke sisebenza kwintsimi yokusasazwa kwesitshixo se-quantum, sihlawulwa ngayo, kwaye asifuni ngokwenene ukubeka intetho kumavili ethu. Kusengqiqweni. Xa ufika ngohlaselo olutsha kwiinkqubo zokusasazwa kwezitshixo ze-quantum, kuya kuba kuhle ukuza nolunye uhlobo lokuthintela. Siyenzile, safumana indlela yokujongana nayo. Ayisiyiyo eyona incinci, kodwa ikhona. Ziyakwazi ukugubungela iingxaki ezinjalo, kodwa omnye umbuzo ngowokuba xa abantu bengathethi ngeengxaki, kuyabonakala ukuba abazikhathaleli. Oku kuthetha ukuba abanamanyathelo okuthintela.
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Dmitriy: Ngaba le ndlela yindlela ethile yekhowudi engachazwanga kwindawo yakho?
Anton: Ewe, kodwa andiqondi ukuba kulungile ukunika isisombululo. Kubalulekile ukuwuphakamisa umcimbi. Emva koko umntu unokufumana izisombululo ezisecaleni ngaphandle kwento onayo. Ukuba uthumela yonke into kanye, abantu baya kuthatha into ekulungeleyo kwaye akuyi kubakho uphuhliso lwengcinga.
Dmitriy: Ngaba kukhuselekile ukuthi ngoko isisombululo sakho sinokuba yinto yohlobo lwe-beta, kwaye kwindawo ethile phezulu komkhono wakho kunokubakho into enomdla ngakumbi ozigcinele yona?
Anton: Kunokwenzeka.
Okuncinci malunga nokusebenzisana nemibutho elawulayo
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Dmitriy: Lo mmandla utsala ingqalelo yazo zonke iintlobo zamagunya alawulayo kunye nee-arhente zobuntlola. Ngaba konke oku kuthatha ixesha malunga nokulungelelanisa naluphi na uphuhliso?
Anton: Umbuzo omhle kakhulu! Ndiza kuzama ukuyiphendula ngendlela evasively kangangoko ndinako. Oku kuthatha ixesha elininzi elinokuchithwa kwiiprojekthi zenzululwazi ngokwenene. Kodwa ndiyasiqonda isizathu sokuba kubalulekile.
Dmitriy: Kanye njengesiqinisekiso ebesithetha ngaso ngaphambili. Awukwazi ukuqesha umncedisi oza kunxibelelana nawe. Ngaba izazinzulu kufuneka zichaze ii-nuances ngokuthe ngqo kuyo yonke imibutho elawulayo kwaye ibancede bayiqonde?
Anton: Ewe, yiloo nto kanye. Le yindlela efanelekileyo. Akukho mntu unokuchaza ngcono kunawe ngokwakho into oyenzileyo. Ukuba awukwazi ukwenza oku, kuphakama imibuzo malunga nobunyani bempumelelo yakho. Kodwa ukuba bekukho ithuba lokwenza isayensi kuphela, ndingathanda ukwenza isayensi kuphela. Kodwa konke oku kuyinxalenye ebalulekileyo yomsebenzi wethu, nathi esiwenzayo.
Dmitriy: Ngaba unalo ixesha leeprojekthi zakho?
Anton: Umba onzima. Sifumana ixesha kwaye senze izinto ezisecaleni. Ezi ziingxaki ezingundoqo ngakumbi. Thatha i-quantum teleportation, umzekelo-umzekelo, silungiselela ukupapashwa kulo mbandela. Sithatha ezinye iingxaki, into evela kwi-quantum optics, kwi-quantum information theory. Ezi zizinto ezinomdla. Sizama ukufumana ixesha, kuba ubomi ngaphandle kwalo buyadika ngokupheleleyo. Akunakwenzeka ukujongana nomsebenzi wamaphepha wedwa. Kwakhona kufuneka senze isayensi.
Kumahluko phakathi kwenzululwazi esisiseko nesetyenziswayo
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Dmitriy: Ukuba uzama ukuqikelela izinga lotshintsho kwintsimi yakho, umthamo weempapasho zenzululwazi. Iwuchaphazela njani umsebenzi wakho kunye nomdla kumashishini anxulumeneyo?
Anton: Ummandla wethu ngumxholo oshushu. Kukho inani lasendle lamanqaku aphumayo. Nokuba inani lamanqaku afanelekileyo likhulu. Kunzima ukuzilandela zonke, akunakwenzeka.
Dmitriy: Ngaba kukho ukuxhomekeka okuqinileyo kule nkqubo yokulandelela? Okanye ngaba iiprojekthi zakho zodwa ngokwaneleyo ukuba zibethe uphawu ngaphandle kweziphazamiso?
Anton: Ukuba wedwa kunokuba kukuthabatha. Xa usityu kwijusi yakho, uyeka ukuqaphela iimpazamo. Unokucinga ukuba wenza yonke into ngokufanelekileyo, kodwa kukho impazamo enkulu ehamba kwindawo ethile olahlekileyo. Kuhle xa kukho abantu emhlabeni abenza izinto ezifanayo. Ukuba unokufezekisa izinto ezifanayo ukusa kumlinganiselo othile, ngoko uya kwicala elifanelekileyo. Ukuba iziphumo ziyahluka, esi sisizathu sokuba nencoko kwaye ufumanise ukuba ngubani ochanekileyo.
Dmitriy: Kodwa umsebenzi wenziwa kwisangqa esivaliweyo sabantu? Ayingomakhulu abantu aba?
Anton: Kulungile, kodwa hayi rhoqo. Kwiqela lethu, abantu abathathu ababandakanyekayo ekuboniseni ukuzingisa: mna, umlingane wam kunye nomphathi wethu wesayensi. Ukuba sithatha iindawo ezibanzi - i-quantum optics, ithiyori yolwazi - sisihlanu kuthi. Ukuba sithetha ngeenkqubo zokusabalalisa eziphambili ze-quantum, kukho abantu baseMoscow, eNovosibirsk, eKazan. Kodwa eYurophu nase-USA la ngamaqela amakhulu ethiyori.
Dmitriy: Yintoni ebonakalisa lo mahluko kwisikali?
Anton: Ezi ziindlela ezahlukeneyo zokuphuhlisa inzululwazi. Eyethu yahlukile kweyaseYurophu. Inzululwazi apha ilandela indlela yophando olusetyenzisiweyo, olufunekayo kwaye olufanelekileyo ngoku. Andiyigxeki le ndlela, kodwa ndiyithatha njengenzululwazi kakhulu. Ndichukumisekile ngakumbi yile yaseNtshona - umahluko ocacileyo phakathi kwenzululwazi esisiseko nesetyenziswayo. Xa kungekho mfuneko yokufuna naziphi na iziphumo ezisebenzayo kwisayensi esisiseko ngoku. Yiyo loo nto isisiseko, ukuze ungajongani nezinto ezisetyenzisiweyo.
Ngokukodwa, ukubuyela eZurich. Eli liziko elikhulu elijongene kuphela nophando olusisiseko. Abantu bafunda izinto ezisichazela ngesiseko sendalo iphela nezisinceda siziqonde ngakumbi. Beza apho kuba nantso into abafuna ukuyenza. Kithina, umdla ukhatshwa yimfuno, imfuneko yokwenza enye into ngelo xesha. Ngoko ke, kukho umahluko onjalo ekuboneni nasekuphuhliseni. Ezi ziindlela ezimbini ezahlukeneyo ngokupheleleyo.
Dmitriy: Ngaba le mfuno ixhomekeke kwisicwangciso se-horizon yombutho olawulayo, uluntu lwezenzululwazi, okanye enye into?
Anton: Oku kulawulwa ngubani owabela imali. Lowo uhlawulayo ubiza ingoma. Sibona umdla omkhulu wokuba nezixhobo ezithile apha kwaye ngoku. EYurophu kukho iimali ezijoliswe kuphando olusisiseko. Kuxhomekeke kwabo banikela ngemali.
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