"Isimo sengqondo esingaqhelekanga kwizemali" - kuthekani ukuba abasebenzi balawula umvuzo wabo ngokwabo. Incoko noFlant

Kwihlabathi apho ishishini lakho kuphela elinokukwenza utyebe ngokwenene, abantu basahamba bayokusebenzela. Okokuqala, ayinguye wonke umntu okuvuyelayo ukuba ngusomashishini, kodwa kufuneka baphile. Okwesibini, emsebenzini yonke into icacile kwaye ikhuselekile - wenza umsebenzi wakho, kwaye uninzi lwemingcipheko ithathwa ngabanye. Ukususela apha iingxabano ezindala, ezidiniweyo ziyakhula: abanini bafuna ukuba abasebenzi bakhuthazwe, ngokungathi umsebenzi lishishini labo; abasebenzi bafuna ukwenza oko bahlawulwa ukuba bakwenze kwaye akukho nto ngakumbi.

Kukho iiyantlukwano kolu lwalamano lwakudala-ukhetho, umdla, iibhonasi-ezenza kube ngathi abanini kunye nabasebenzi bakwiphenyane elinye. Kodwa kukho nezinye iimeko ezingaqhelekanga.

Inkampani yeFlant inamaqela amaninzi e-devops abonelela ngeemveliso zabanye abantu. Bakhule besuka kwiqela lemigulukudu yabafundi abathanda kunye nabalandeli beLinux, kwaye ngoku baye bakhe isakhiwo “samashishini ngaphakathi kwishishini”, ngenxa yokuba likhululekile kwaye lithembekile. UDima Stolyarov noSasha Batalov basixelele indlela esebenza ngayo.

UFlant wangena ukulinganisa abaqeshi abangcono kakhulu be-IT ngo-2018 ukalisho oluphakathi 4.68. Ukuqwalasela ukulinganiswa kwenkampani kwi-Circle yam, abasebenzi bakholelwa ukuba inkampani yenza ihlabathi libe yindawo engcono, kwaye bayayixabisa iFlaunt ngemisebenzi yayo enomdla, ubudlelwane obuhle kwiqela, iteknoloji yanamhlanje kunye nokudibanisa nabaphathi abaphezulu.

Iqela labafundi beLinux

UDmitry Stolyarov (umlawuli wezobugcisa) ngexesha lengxelo yakhe

- (Dima Stolyarov) Besisoloko sibandakanyeka kwiLinux kunye nomthombo ovulekileyo, kodwa saqala ngesihloko esihlekisayo, esinentloni ngayo ngoku. Ngesizathu esithile sicinge ukuba kufuneka sazise iLinux kwiiofisi endaweni yeWindows. Igama lokuqala lenkampani yayiyi-TrueOffice - "iofisi yokwenyani". Emva koko safumanisa ukuba akukho mntu uyidingayo. Oku kwakungo-2006, ndandineminyaka eyi-19 ubudala. Kuphela kwi-2012-13 siye saqaphela indlela yokwenza ishishini, yintoni iteknoloji efuna ihlabathi.

U-Alexander Batalov (CEO) kwisigxina senkampani kwinkomfa

- (Sasha Batalov) Ukongeza kwitekhnoloji, kukho uluhlu olukhulu ngendlela yokuthengisa, ukuthengisa kunye nezoqoqosho, okungekho mntu wakha wasifundisa, ngaphandle kwezifundo zaseyunivesithi, kodwa andiyazi ukuba zisebenza kwaye ziluncedo kangakanani.

Ekuqaleni kwakubonakala ngathi konke oku kwakungeyomfuneko, kodwa ke kwafuneka sifunde ngokuziqhelanisa, sifunde iincwadi, ngamanye amaxesha emva kokuba sele sifumene ukuxhoma. Ngokubanzi, sahamba indlela ende enameva, sazama izinto ezininzi ezingalunganga.

- (DS) Kodwa ngokuthe ngcembe, njengoko izakhono zethu zikhula, sonke sigxile kwiLinux, kwaye ngoku sijongana kuphela nomthwalo omkhulu, iiprojekthi zewebhu ezinomthwalo omkhulu. Kwaye xa uKubernetes ebonakala, sakhawuleza saqonda ukuba esi sesona siseko sasilahlekile.

-Kwakutheni ukuze kubekho umdla onje kwiLinux? Ingcamango okanye iteknoloji?

- (DS) Inkampani inabasunguli ababini - uDima Shurupov kunye nam. UDima Shurupov wayenomdla ngakumbi kumthombo ovulekileyo. Kwaye ndayithanda iLinux, itekhnoloji, indlela yonke into esebenza ngayo apho. Kwaye umphumo waba yindibaniselwano: uDima uthanda i-ideology, kwaye ndiyathanda iteknoloji. Ndiyawuthanda umthombo ovulekileyo njengombono, kodwa icala letekhnoloji belisoloko libaluleke kakhulu kum.

UEinstein uthe: “Okumele kwenziwe kulula kangangoko kunokwenzeka, kodwa akukho lula. I-Linux yakhiwe ngokulula, ngokuthembekileyo nangokucacileyo ukuba ndiyayonwabela. Sonke sasiyithanda loo nto, yaye sasuka kwiqela lemigulukudu saya kwiqela elikhulu. Ngoku sele siyi-70. Kwi-IT, kwiinkonzo ezikhethekileyo, oku kuninzi kakhulu.

— Kwakunjani ngexesha leqela lemigulukudu yabafundi?

- (DS) Ewe, njengesiqhelo kunye nabafundi, kumnandi kwaye kuyadlala.

- (SAT) Isixa esikhulu sokuzinikela, umnqweno wokoyisa i-Intanethi, ukoyisa iincopho zetekhnoloji. Siye sabandakanyeka kwimisebenzi enzima kakhulu - sasihlala sithatha izinto ezinzulu (kodwa ezinomdla kakhulu!) Bazamile ukuzenzela ezabo izikhokelo, bafunxa bonke ubuchwephesha ababufundileyo, baza ngoko nangoko babafunela izicelo.

— Ngaba yonke into yahamba ngokwezorhwebo?

- (DS) Ewe, kodwa kumanqanaba okuqala sasingafuni nto. Ngaloo mihla, kum, i-ruble engama-40 yamawaka yayiyingeniso eqhelekileyo, ndachitha imali eninzi kuyo.

- (SAT) Kwaye ndacinga ukuba iwaka leedola unokwenza nayiphi na iwebhusayithi onokucinga ngayo.

- (DS) Ngo-2013, sasingenayo imali yokuqesha ngokukhululekileyo eMoscow. Sele sithathe wonke umntu esimaziyo ukuba angathathwa. Sagqiba kwelokuba sivule iofisi eNizhny Novgorod. Saya khona, ndavula, ndaqalisa ukuqesha. Emva koko babona ukuba kunzima ukuhlala neeofisi ezimbini, kwaye banquma ukuhlala ngaphandle kweeofisi.

Ewe kunjalo, sibethe amaqhuma amaninzi. Kwade kwafika u2016 ndafunda iRemote shame. Bendilila ndihleka ngoba besihamba ngendlela enye. Umhlathi ngamnye ubudibana namava am obuqu.

- (SAT) Isiqendu ngasinye sasineziva zethu.

Wenza ntoni uFlant?

Sinikezela ngeenkonzo ze-turnkey kwimveliso yomthwalo ophezulu. Oku kwahlukile kwi-outsourcing rhoqo ngenxa yokuba sihlala kunye nabathengi ixesha elide kwaye sisebenzisana ngokusondeleyo, abantu bayasithemba ngenye yezona zinto zibalulekileyo. Ishishini labo ubukhulu becala lixhomekeke kwindlela esisebenza ngayo.

Ukwenza umsebenzi wokuvelisa umgangatho ophezulu, udinga i-15-20 devops, iingcali zedatha, iingcali ze-Kubernetes, inkonzo yenkxaso, njalo njalo. Kwaye ukuba inkampani incinci, inabaphuhlisi ababini okanye abathathu kuphela, oku akunakwenzeka. Kwaye ke size sigcine. Iwaka nge150.

Ngaphambili, besinomsebenzi wokudala inkampani apho thina ngokwethu siya kukhululeka ukusebenza, nokuba ivakala ibubudenge kangakanani na. Ngoku ukuba oku kwenzekile, i-mission kukwenza iteknoloji kwinqanaba leGoogle kunye ne-Facebook ekhoyo kumashishini amancinci kunye nokuqalwa kwinqanaba lokuqala.

Abantu banokugxila kwimveliso yabo kunokoyisa iingxaki ezinokuthi zingoyiswa.

Abafana abaninzi abeza kuthi bayamangaliswa ukuba zininzi kangakanani izinto ezahlukeneyo, zeziphi iingcinezelo ezikhoyo kuyo yonke indawo. Sineeprojekthi ezingaphezu kwe-50 kwimveliso, ngaphezu kwe-70 yamaqela e-Kuebrnetes. Kuhlala kusenzeka ukugrumba izinto. Ndavula inkqubo yokuzoba, ndazoba i-microservice architecture, ndenza uludwe lweetekhnoloji ezingama-200, saza sahamba. Kodwa oku kuhlala kukhokelela kwiingxaki kunye nemiphumo.

Ubuqhetseba kukuqinisekisa ukuzinza okuphezulu, ukuthembeka kunye nokulula kwelinye icala, kunye nenqanaba eliphezulu lokutsha kwelinye. Ewe, sinebhongo ngokuba sinokukwenza oku. Senza oku kuyo yonke indawo kwaye ngobuninzi, njenge-Ikea eqhelekileyo.

Ngubani ofuna devops zangaphandle

- Kubonakala kum ukuba iinkampani ezinkulu zikhetha ukugcina abasebenzi be-devops kubasebenzi.

- (SAT) Kucacile ukuba abadlali abakhulu, njenge-Avito okanye i-Badoo, banokuqesha abasebenzi be-devops. Iinkampani ezincinci ezinotyalo-mali olukhulu nazo zingayenza - kodwa ziya kuqesha, hayi into yokuba ziya kuba namandla aneleyo okumelana nazo.

Sikholelwa ukuba neenkampani ezinkulu zingcono xa zibhenela kwiingcali ezenze konke okusemandleni azo kulo mba. Iinkampani ezincinci ezineshishini elisekelwe kwiwebhu kufuneka zijike kubantu abanamava. Ngenxa yokuba nayiphi na ixesha lokuphumla kwinkqubo ephambili kukulahlekelwa yimali.

- (DS) Siyazi ukuba abantu baseRashiya bayesaba ukukhutshwa - ngenxa yamava amabi kunye nezinye izizathu. Kodwa abathengi abasishiyi. Kwiminyaka elishumi bemka ngenxa yezizathu ezibini kuphela. Mhlawumbi bangaphezu kwethu (umzekelo, bathengwa baza bakha kwakhona yonke into), okanye bavala ngenxa yokuba ingcamango ayizange isebenze.

- Kwaye ngubani oza kuwe rhoqo - iinkampani ezincinci okanye ezinkulu?

- (DS) Kuyafana ngoku. Kodwa abancinci bayasoyika nje, bacinga ukuba thina...

- (SAT)... enkulu, entsonkothileyo, engafikelelekiyo kunye nentloko yethu emafini.

- (DS) Ewe, ewe, uhamba ngaphaya kwendawo yokubonisa kunye neMaybach kwaye ungangeni ngaphakathi, ungabuzi ixabiso, kuba kakuhle, iMaybach ayikwazi ukuhlawula i-ruble eyi-500 lamawaka.

- Ngokuqinisekileyo akakwazi.

- (SAT) Kodwa kamsinya nje yakuba ibonakala kukwabelana ngemoto, unokukwazi ukuyiqhuba.

- (DS) Ewe, thina, ngokuqinisekileyo, asikho iMaybach - singu-Ikea. Siyenze yalula, ithembekile kwaye yafikeleleka. Ngokubanzi, inani le-TOP-50 yeenkampani kunye neenkampani ezincinci eziqhagamshelana nathi ziyafana. Kodwa sithembele ikakhulu kumashishini amancinci kwaye sisebenza ikakhulu kunye nawo, kwaye sizame ukungasebenzisani namakhulu.

- Ngoba?

- (DS) Uninzi lwe-bureaucracy.

- (SAT) Kwinkampani enkulu kukho amanqanaba amaninzi apho uxanduva lusasazwa khona, ingxelo inde kakhulu, kwaye amaxesha amaninzi abantu baqala ukudlala ngetekhnoloji: “Masiyilinganise, sibhale isicwangciso, isicwangciso sonyaka ozayo, masenze ngcono ngolu hlobo. , intle ngakumbi kwinkcubeko yeshishini.” , le yindlela esiye sakhula ngayo inkqubo yethu.” Kwaye ke baqala ukuntsonkotha izinto ezinokusonjululwa ngendlela emfutshane ukuze i-80% yesiphumo ibe ngomso. Bahamba indlela ende, apho kungaziwa ukuba iya kusebenza na okanye hayi.

Ngenxa yoko, endaweni yezenzo ezimiselwe kakuhle, sibuyisela ivili, kwaye iindleko zesisombululo sezobuchwepheshe ziba phezulu ngokungenakuqhathaniswa. Ngelo xesha, umgangatho awuyiyo inyaniso yokuba kuya kuba ngcono.

Umrhumo wokubonelela ngaphandle

Sineeprojekthi ezininzi kwi-GitHub, senza igalelo ngokukhutheleyo kuyo yonke imbali ukuvula umthombo. Ayisiyiyo yethu kuphela, kodwa nakwabanye. Sizama ukwabelana ngezixhobo esizisebenzisayo yonke imihla. Sikholelwa ukuba olu luxanduva lwethu, kwaye sivuyiswa kakhulu kukwenza oko.

Bonke abafana kwinkampani banegalelo ngendlela enye okanye enye - nokuba ngabaphononongwa, okanye amaxwebhu, okanye ikhowudi. Sikholelwa ukuba le yintlawulo yethu yelizwe lonke elityebileyo lemithombo evulelekileyo esiyisebenzisayo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba le mali siyihlawula ngokufanelekileyo.

Oku sikubiza ngokuba kukuxinana kwamava. Ekuqaleni, omnye umntu wafunda okuthile, wabelana ngako noogxa bakhe, yaye la mava aba yintsomi. Emva koko sarekhoda amaxwebhu, saza sayidonsa kwizinto eziluncedo kwaye silibale malunga nobukho bayo, kuba asisacingi - yonke into ithathwa ngokuzenzekelayo.

Ukuthandwa kobuchwepheshe kunye netyhefu yabaphuhlisi

— Kutheni Ubuntu? Phambi kokuba ajulwe, yintoni enye obuyicinga?

- (DS) Sasiliqela labafundi ababethanda iLinux. Kwaye sasebenzisa iGentoo ixesha elide - lusasazo olusekwe kumthombo, kwaye kufuneka luhlanganiswe ukusuka ekuqaleni ngalo lonke ixesha. Nje ukuba sibe namakhulu ambalwa eeseva, uphuculo lwathatha iinyanga. Ewe, ekuqaleni sasizenza ngokuzenzekelayo kwaye salungisa yonke into, kodwa ekugqibeleni safumanisa ukuba kukho into efuna ukutshintshwa, kwaye, sisazi okulungileyo kunye nokubi kwezisombululo ezahlukeneyo, sithathe nje eyona idumileyo. Emva koko yayine-intuitive - ekubeni ithandwa kakhulu, ithetha ukuba iya kuphuhlisa kakhulu, kwaye zonke iintsilelo ziya kulungiswa ngokukhawuleza okanye kamva.

Kwakukho isiseko sedatha ye-Resync DB. Bakhuphisane neMongoDB kwaye baqala malunga nexesha elinye. Kwaye ixesha elide iResync yayingcono ngokwetekhnoloji.

Xa abasebenzisi beza, bazama ukusombulula iingxaki zenkqubo yangaphakathi, kwaye kwi-MongoDB zasonjululwa kancinci, kodwa banokuyalela ngokwemeko ukuba ukuze babe ngcono kwiimvavanyo zokwenziwa. Ke ngoko, ukuthandwa kweMongoDB kwanda. Kwezona meko zilula baqhube ngcono, kodwa ngaphakathi bebezibhanxa. Kwaye i-Resync DB yayilungile ngaphakathi, kodwa ukuthandwa kwayo akuzange kukhule.

Ngenxa yoko, yonke into yahamba kakuhle ngaphakathi kweMongoDB, kodwa akukho mntu ukhumbula iResync DB. Inkampani yatshona. Eli libali malunga no-Ubuntu. Kuninzi okugxilwe kuko kolu kuhanjiswa, ngoko ke sigqibe ekubeni silusebenzise.

- Uthanda njani utshintsho lwezopolitiko lwamva nje, i-CoC nayo yonke loo nto?

- (DS) Ewe ... akukho negativity, yonke into ilungile, yonke into icacile. Nam ngokwam ndikhathazwa yinto yokuba ngamanye amaxesha ndiyakhubekisa abantu. Umzekelo, into ibonakala icacile kum, kwaye iqala ukundicaphukisa kakhulu ukuba abantu abayiqondi. Ndiba nomsindo, kwaye kuvela ukuba yinto enye embi (kodwa ndisebenza kuyo).

Ukrelekrele kakhulu uLinus, emva kwayo yonke le nto, uneminyaka engama-30 esenza le nto. Kuyacaca ukuba ungumntu ongqwabalala, akawuvali umlomo. Imbeko yakhe iyawohloka, kwaye uluntu lusebenza kuyo. Yena ngokwakhe uyaqonda kwaye uvuma yonke into.

"Kodwa, njengoko ndiqonda kwimpendulo kwiingxoxo, abantu abaninzi bayawuxhasa umbono wokuthetha ngokuthe ngqo narhabaxa, kwaye ukuba umntu akakuthandi, abayi kunyibilika.

- (DS) Hayi, asiyonyani leyo. Njengomntu onengxaki yokungabi nambeko, ndiyaqonda ukuba oku kubi kakhulu. Oku lonakalisa uluntu. Kukho abantu abangakhathaliyo, kodwa kubantu abaninzi kusabalulekile ukuba nentuthuzelo ngokweemvakalelo.

Kukho impazamo yobudenge kwikhowudi. Ungabhala: “Bafo, imbi into yokuba siphoswe zizinto ezilula ngolo hlobo, kufuneka sizilungise.” Okanye ungabhala: "Yintoni isidenge eyenze le nto?!" Ibinzana elinye. Umntu owenze le mpazamo unokuba nengqondo kwaye unamava ngakumbi kunawe, kodwa wayengekho kwimeko xa enze impazamo - awukwazi ukuba kwenzekani kuye. Kwaye kuye kuya kuba sisithuko ngqo. Kutheni oku kuyimfuneko?

Kufuneka uthethe izinto ngokuthe ngqo, kodwa akufuneki uthi "Yintoni isidenge esibhale le nto." Akukho sizathu sokuzifihla kunye nokugubungela, kodwa akukho mfuneko yokukhubekisa abantu.

Kutheni i-devops idinga ukufowunelana yonke imihla?

- (DS) Ngoku sineofisi enye encinci apho kugcinwa khona amaxwebhu kunye nomphathi weofisi osebenza ngala maxwebhu.

Inkampani inabantu abangama-70. Abantu abangama-20 liqela le-OPS. Abantu abangama-30 ngamaqela amathathu eDevOps amalunga nabantu abali-10 lilinye. I-20 eseleyo ngabaphuhlisi kunye neentengiso. Abaphuhlisi be-8, isebe le-RND - abantu aba-4. Kukho abantu abayi-5-6 abangengobuchwephesha benkampani yonke.

Amaqela amathathu e-DevOps enza imali ephambili. Iinkqubo ziyafana yonke indawo - yonke imihla kukho intlanganiso ende, iyure enesiqingatha. Kodwa apho balungisa yonke imiba yobugcisa, kwaye abafana bathatha isigqibo sokuba benze ntoni ngokulandelayo. Kwaye ekubeni yonke into ikude, eli lithuba lokunxibelelana ngokuqhelekileyo.

— Ngaba oku kuyimfuneko ngokwenene yonke imihla?

- (DS) Ewe.

- Ngaba wonke umntu uyavumelana nale nto?

- (DS) Ewe, wonke umntu uyavuma, wonke umntu ukhululekile. Kodwa ngezinye iintsuku irali inokuthatha imizuzu engama-30. Ngaphandle konxibelelwano oluqatha kakhulu kwi-Slack, usafuna ukuba kungqamaniso oluhle kwaye uqonde okwenzekileyo izolo. Sifuna ukuqondana, hayi ukucofa nje imisebenzi. Eli lixesha elibalulekileyo ngokwenkcubeko.

- (SAT) Nawuphi na umzuzu into enokwenzeka, imeko inokutshintsha. Uhlengahlengiso oluqhubekayo luyafuneka.

- (DS) Une-anecdote elungileyo kwesi sihloko.

- (SAT) Ewe. Ugqirha wotyando lwentliziyo uza kwiziko leenqwelo-mafutha, yaye umkhandi uthi kuye: “Phulaphula, senza into efanayo, wena kuphela utyanda intliziyo yomntu, yaye mna ndityanda intliziyo yemoto. Ufumana i-$ 10 yokusebenza, kwaye ndifumana i-ruble ye-000 yenkonzo.

Ugqirha wotyando uyabuza: “Ngaba nawe uyafuna ukufumana i-10 lamawaka ukuze ulungiswe?” Umkhandi onjalo, kunjalo. Ugqirha wotyando ungena emotweni, wayiqalisa aze athi, “yigqithe.”

Kananjalo kunye nathi. Ekuphuhlisweni, unokuthatha umsebenzi kwaye uvelise iziphumo kwiiveki ezimbini. Emva koko yonke into inokulungiswa, kuba ukudibanisa okanye ukukhupha iintsuku ezintathu akuchaphazeli nantoni na.

Kwaye kwimeko yethu, sonke isilumkiso esiphosiweyo okanye isigqibo esingalunganga kwisilumkiso sinokujika sibe yingxaki enkulu kakhulu. Ukuze ugweme oku, unxibelelwano olusondeleyo, olukhawulezayo, oluqhubekayo luyafuneka.

Ngaba kunzima ukuya kude?

Kunzima ukuphatha abantu ukude. Kodwa kunzima okoko ukwiofisi enye kwaye bekwenye, kwaye kukho ukuqonda okumfiliba. Uhleli eMoscow kwaye kubonakala kuwe ukuba abafana baseNizhny basebenza kakubi kwaye bengasebenzi. EMoscow, ubona iinzame zabantu abakujikelezile, kodwa imizamo yabasebenzi abakude ayifuni. Wamkele kuphela umphumo.

Kwiofisi, unxibelelwano oluninzi lwenzeka ngendlela engafanelekanga - umntu uthe into ethile kumntu endleleni eya ekhitshini. Abantu abakwenye iofisi abayiboni, bangayiva, kwaye umxholo ulahlekile.

Ngelixa sasisele sikulungele ukuyeka iofisi, lonke unxibelelwano (kwanaphakathi kwabasebenzi kwigumbi elinye) lwalusebenzisa i-Google Meet. Kwaye xa sakha lonke unxibelelwano ukude, lusebenze i-100%, yonke imiqobo yokungaqondani yasuswa.

Kunzima ukucwangcisa yonke into, kodwa ukuba uyenza ngokufanelekileyo, iyasebenza kwaye ayibangeli nakuphi na ukuphazamiseka.

Amaqela alawula njani imali yawo

- Umsebenzi okude ngumba ophikisanayo. Ngamanye amaxesha iinkampani ziyoyika ukubakhulula abantu bagoduke kuba zicinga ukuba ziya kuphulukana nolawulo kubo. Kodwa nabo baye bandikhulula bathi kufuneka sisebenze ngendlela eyahlukileyo ngokupheleleyo.

- (DS) Le ngxaki siyisombulule ngokulungela ukwabelana ngemali namaqela. Uqoqosho lwethu lonke kunye nenkqubo yenkuthazo yakhiwe phantse njenge-franchise. Imivuzo iphezulu kakhulu, kwaye sibashiyela imali yasimahla abafana.

Iqela linikezela ngeeprojekthi ezininzi. Bayazi ukuba yimalini eza nayo nganye kwezi projekthi. Basazi kakuhle isabelo sabo sale mali. Yonke imali eshiyekileyo ingaphezulu kwemivuzo yabo isala kwiqela kwaye yahlulwe phakathi kwabo ngokwenkqubo ethile. Inkuthazo ngokuthe ngqo - bathatha iprojekthi enye i-200 lamawaka, yongeza enye ishumi kumvuzo. Senze impazamo - kufuneka sihlawule umxhasi.

- (SAT) Ukuba uqala ukuvumela abafana phantsi, unokuziva ngoko nangoko. Uzibandeza ithuba lokufumana ingeniso eyongezelelweyo. Kwaye inkqubo yethu isombulula ngokupheleleyo ingxaki yolawulo. Umntu uzenzela isicwangciso yonke imihla, kwaye kukho iintlanganiso ezaneleyo zemihla ngemihla ukuqonda ukuba ngubani owenza ntoni.

- (DS) Kwiimeko zokulwa, abaxoki kumaqabane abo emiseleni.

— Kuvela ukuba imivuzo yakho ivuliwe? Ngaba wonke umntu uyazi ukuba ngubani ofumana malini?

- (DS) Sayivala imivuzo kudala. Kukho iiyantlukwano zengingqi. Nangona sizama ukuhlawula imivuzo epheleleyo yaseMoscow kwimimandla, kusekho i-dissonance.

- (SAT) Ngoku wonke umntu uyazi ukuba ingakanani imali yeqela. Babona ukuba yeyiphi isabelo seebhonasi abazifumanayo.

- (DS) Inkokeli yeqela ngalinye ithatha isigqibo malunga nokuba abafana bakhe baya kufumana malini kunye nendlela yokuhambisa iibhonasi. Singena kulo mbandela kuphela ngeengcebiso; isigqibo sihlala sihleli sikhokeleli qela.

Kutheni abantu besoyika izithuba?

Ukubhiyozela isikhumbuzo seminyaka eli-10 yenkampani ngo-2018

— Ngaba abantu abangama-70 bakwanele?

- (DS) Hayi. Sinesicwangciso sokuqesha ubuncinane iinjineli ze-DevOps ze-20 ngonyaka. Kodwa kunzima kakhulu. Sineqela elikhulu labaviwa, wonke umntu uyazi ngathi ngendlela enye okanye enye. Kodwa apha ibali lifana nabathengi. Abantu abaninzi bathi, "Siyoyika ukukusebenzela, ukuba asikwazi ukumelana nayo." Kodwa asicingi ukuba sinezinto eziphezulu ze-cosmic apha.

Imbalelwano nomviwa

-Yintoni omele ube yiyo ukutsala?

- (DS) Ngokwethiyori, umntu kufuneka aphuhliswe ngokulinganayo kuphuhliso kunye nokusebenza. Enyanisweni, bambalwa abantu abanjalo ehlabathini, singasathethi ke eRashiya. Ingakumbi abo bangamagqala apha naphaya. Bendingazukuzicingela nokuba ndingomnye wabo.

Izithuba zethu zihlala zichaza ngokucacileyo into ekufuneka uyazi. Sisebenza nzima kubo kwaye sizame ukubhala kwinqanaba.

— Mhlawumbi izithuba zengqesho ziyoyikisa ngokwenene ukuba kubhaliwe ukuba kufuneka wazi kangakanani na?

- (DS) Hayi, hayi, hayi, asicingi ukuba kufuneka wazi izinto ezininzi.

- (SAT) Asinamdla kulwazi, kodwa ekucingeni, amandla omntu okufumana izicombululo.

- (DS) Ndinomdla kumava eLinux, kwaye siyayivavanya ngemisebenzi elula-emininzi nje. Uvavanyo lwethu lude kakhulu; kumgqatswa ophakathi kuthatha iiyure ezisi-8. Kwaye ngokusekwe kwiziphumo, sijonga indlela umntu ajongana ngayo neengxaki, indlela asebenza ngayo iGoogle, yeyiphi i-horizons yakhe.

Unokufumana ulwazi ngokukhawuleza kunye nathi, kuba kukho iiprojekthi ezininzi ezahlukeneyo kunye noogxa abanamava abaya kuhlala benika iingcebiso. Ke ngoko, sijonge kuqala kuzo zonke ukuqinisekisa ukuba abafana bacinga ngokukhawuleza kwaye banamava.

— Ngaphandle kovavanyo, ngaba uyayibona loo nto ngandlel’ ithile?

- (DS) Sinezigaba ezithathu. Okokuqala, u-HR uyanxibelelana kwaye abuze ukubalisa malunga namava. Emva koko abo bathandwayo ngu-HR bathatha umsebenzi wokuvavanya. Ngokusekelwe kwiziphumo, iqela likhokelela ekunxibelelaneni kunye nokuxelela u-HR ngezimvo zabo, kwaye ukuba zilungile ngamxhelo mnye, esi sizathu sokwenza isipho kumntu.

I-500 lamawaka eeruble ukuqesha i-superman yexesha elizayo

- (DS) Sinesimo sengqondo esingaqhelekanga kwezemali; sabelana namaqela kwaye asinyolukeli. Kwaye sikwabela i-500 lamawaka eeruble kwiqela lokwandisa abasebenzi. Oko kukuthi, esi sisibonelelo sokufumana umntu kwaye bamfundise yonke into ngelixa ejoyina.

- 500 lamawaka umntu ngamnye?!

Ukuze iqela lifumane imali eninzi, kufuneka lithathe iiprojekthi ezininzi. Ukuze benze oku badinga abantu abaninzi. Kwaye ukuthatha abantu abaninzi, udinga imali eninzi. Sisangqa esikhohlakeleyo. Ukuqhawula esi sangqa, sinika imali kumntu omtsha. Ngoxa egalela, banokuthabatha iiprojekthi ezingakumbi baze bamhlawule umvuzo kuloo mali. Oko kukuthi, le yimbuyekezo de lowo ufikayo azise imali.

- Ngaba oku akuninzi kakhulu kwii-devops? Balayishwa yonke imihla, yonke imihla kwiimeko zokulwa, kwaye kufuneka bajongane nolawulo lwemali.

- (DS) Oku kwenziwa liqela elikhokelayo, kwaye akasekho devops ngokupheleleyo. Abakhokheli beqela kunokwenzeka ukuba baye kwintsebenziswano ukuze babe neenketho. Ngoko ke, sicinga ukuba oku kuqhelekile kubo. Kodwa oku akukhathaleli abafana abaqhelekileyo kwiqela.

Xa sithetha nje, bayazi ukuba xa umntu asebenza naye engaphumeleli, bafumana umvuzo wakhe kwinyanga ezayo. Ngokuqinisekileyo kuya kufuneka basebenze ngakumbi. Yaye xa befumana umntu oza kulibuyisela endaweni yakhe, bambuyisela loo mali.

Kwaye xa sinika iqela elikhokelayo i-500 lamawaka, abafuni ukuqesha umntu ongayi kuhambisa. Kwaye ngamanye amaxesha kulula kubo ukuba bakhuphe abantu abangama-20 kwaye bathathe omnye. Kwenzekile ukuba abantu abayi-100 banxibelelane no-HR, abangama-30 kubo baya kwisabelo sobugcisa, abangama-20 baphumelela, kwaye iqela elikhokelayo laphelisa konke ngaphandle komnye. Oku kunzima. Abakhokheli beqela bayoyika kakhulu ukuthatha umngcipheko. Sawuxubusha lo mbandela, yaye wonke umntu wabonakala eqonda ukuba le yimpazamo. Abantu abaninzi bazibonakalisa kudliwano-ndlebe ngokwahlukileyo kunokuba baya kusebenza njani kamva. Ke ngoko, kufuneka sinikeze ithuba kwaye sithathe umngcipheko.

— Ngaba iinkokeli zeqela aziqali ukusebenzisa kakubi izinto? Ufumana i-500 lamawaka, ungaqeshwa ixesha elide, uze ufumane enye i-500 lamawaka.

- (DS) Babhatalwa kube kanye. Sithi, “Ngoku unabantu abalishumi, kodwa udinga i-11. Kukho isicwangciso sokuthengisa, iiprojekthi ezininzi ziya kuza kwaye kufuneka ulungele. Nantsi i-500 yamawaka kwindawo yeshumi elinanye. " Awuyi kuzifumana okwesibini. Kwaye ukuba umntu uyahamba, oku sele kuyingxaki kwiqela; bayawusombulula umcimbi kuhlahlo lwabiwo-mali lwabo.

Kufana nomdlalo weMonopoly.

- (SAT) Sikholelwa ukuba inkokeli yeqela kufuneka igxile kwezemali. Abantu bethu bafumana imivuzo kwimali abayirholayo. Kwaye iindleko zeprojekthi zibaluleke kakhulu. Umxhasi uza kunye nesiseko esinye, kwaye emva konyaka isiseko sakhe sikhulu ngokuphindwe ka-10. Kwaye ukuba iqela elikhokelayo alibandakanyekanga kwiimali, akayi kukwazi ukuvavanya ngokwaneleyo iindleko zenkonzo.

- (DS) Kwenzeka ukuba iqela liye lalwa neengxaki zomthengi kwiinyanga ezininzi, kwaye liyaqonda ukuba bahlawulwa ikhulu lamawaka lamawaka kule nto, kwaye oku akukho ndlela ehambelanayo nento eyenzekayo ngoku. Yaye kungakhathaliseki ukuba kubuhlungu kangakanani na, bamele banyuse ixabiso okanye bahlukane. Kwaye abafana bazenzela ezi zigqibo. Nangona zonke zikude. Kwaye sicinga ukuba le yeyona mpumelelo yethu inkulu. Sinamaqela azimeleyo nakhuthazayo.

- Ewe. Kwaye oku kwenza ukuba kuvakala ngathi kufuneka ube superman ukuze akusebenzele. Kunye nezakhono zobugcisa, kunye nokuzeyisa, kunye nolwazi lwezemali.

- (SAT) Unathi unokuba ngumntu obalaseleyo. Kodwa nalaa qela akhokelayo ayaziyo indlela yokwenza oku yeza njengeenjineli eziqhelekileyo. Unyaka okanye emibini yanele ukuba umntu aguquke abe ngumntu onjalo.

- Iqela elikhokelayo-amaqabane akhule kwiinjineli eziqhelekileyo. Ngaba banokuqeshwa ngokukhawuleza kwisikhundla esinjalo?

- (DS) Asizange sibe nayo into enjengale ngaphambili; wonke umntu wakhula njengeenjineli. Kodwa siqwalasela imeko yokudibanisa nenkampani encinci, eya kuba lelinye lamaqela ethu. Singathanda ukuzama oku.

— Ngaba unokuqesha umntu ukuba uyinjineli elungileyo, kodwa akalungelelananga ngokwaneleyo kwinqanaba lamaqela anjalo?

- (DS) Asiboyiki abantu abangalungelelananga; sinothotho lwemisebenzi. Kukhawuleza kucace enoba kunokwenzeka na ukunceda umntu alungelelane. Ukuba uthetha yonke imihla ngezinto azenzileyo engakhange enze nto, uya kuba neentloni.

Xa ubona wonke umntu ehleli kwisikhephe esinye ebheqa, awuziva ukhululekile ukuphosa iphini lokubheqa. Kwiimeko ezinjalo, kwanabantu abangalungelelananga ebomini baba nolungelelwano. Ewe, ukuba akunjalo, ngoko hayi.

Ngenene asikunyamezeli ukujongela phantsi - ebantwini, kushishino nakuthi. Kwaye xa abantu befika apha, bakhula ngokukhawuleza, ngokukhawuleza okuphindwe kathathu kunayo nayiphi na enye indawo. Ngokwenene sineminyaka emithathu malunga namava kunye nezakhono.

Ngokwenene asizithandi iziphakathi. Ngokombono wethu, umbindi ngumntu osele enze okuninzi. Ndiza kuyixela njengoko injalo-imarike ye-DevOps imbi kakhulu, ityibilike kakubi. Kukho abaphakathi abazithatha njengabancinci. Kukho abancinci abazigqala njengeenkosi. Xa umntu esiza kuthi, ukhawuleza aqonde inqanaba lakhe lokwenyani.

Oku akuthethi ukuba asithathi abancinci - sibathatha ngokuzonwabisa, kwaye siya kuthatha nangaphezulu. Sele sisenza iqela elikhethekileyo elithi "DevOps accelerator" kwaye sinikezela iiprojekthi apho sinokuthatha umngcipheko, apho umxhasi ekulungele ukuba sithathe umngcipheko. Mhlawumbi kuya kubakho inkonzo ekhethekileyo yoku. Uhlobo oluthile lweFlat-Lite.

— Ngaba ungathanda ukuba yinkampani enkulu?

- (DS) Singathanda, kodwa ngecaveat enye. Andifuni ngokwenene ukuphulukana nenkcubeko yam. Ngokuqinisekileyo siya kukhula, kodwa ukugcina inkcubeko yobugcisa kunye nokusebenza kubaluleke ngakumbi kunophuhliso ngokwalo.

Sinobomi obunye, awuzukufumana yonke imali, kodwa ufuna ukuhlala ecaleni kwabantu abalungileyo. Sikhaba ngakwicala i-bureaucracy kunye nokulinganisa umsebenzi oluncedo. Sinonxibelelwano oluthe tye ngokupheleleyo. Ungadlulisela umbono wakho kubaphathi ngeyona ndlela imangalisayo: undoqo ubaluleke ngakumbi kunemithetho.

- (SAT) Kodwa kule nto kufuneka ube neengxabano ezintle kakhulu.

- (DS) Ngokungathandabuzekiyo! Kwaye umsebenzi okude nawo uyimfuneko, kuba le yindlela esiphila ngayo, yindlela esibona ngayo ihlabathi. UDima Shurupov uhlala eThailand, ndihlala eJamani. Sasha Batalov eMoscow, umlawuli HR e Tyumen.

Sikholelwa ukuba ukuhlala kwesi sijikelezi-langa, ufuna ukuphila ubomi bakho usibukele. Akukho mfuneko yakuhlala phantsi kweemeko apho kungathandekiyo ukuba uye emsebenzini. Yiyo loo nto sifuna abantu bafune ukuza emsebenzini wethu. Ingxabano emsebenzini ngokuqinisekileyo ayimnandanga, ngoko siyaqinisekisa ukuba akukho ngxabano emsebenzini. Sineengxabano neemfazwe, kodwa hayi iingxabano.

— Ngaba awucingi ukuba ukuba mkhulu kuthetha kungekuphela nje ukubonelela ngeenkonzo, kodwa nokuvelisa. Ukuba akufuneki uphile ubomi bakho kwaye ubone iplanethi, kodwa ushiye into ngasemva?

- (DS) Lo ngumbandela obuhlungu kakhulu kuthi, kuba siyinkampani yenkonzo. Kodwa senza isoftware eninzi, kwaye ngokusisiseko imveliso yethu ziinkonzo ezisebenza ngendlela eyahlukileyo ngokupheleleyo. Asizange sizithengisele nabani na iiwotshi okanye abantu. Abathengi babesoloko besiza baze babuze, “ndingathenga iiwotshi ezilikhulu?” Hayi, awukwazi, asizithengisi iiwotshi.

Sithengisa iziphumo. Umphumo kukuba siye sathomalalisa iintlungu kwaye sayisombulula ingxaki. Kwaye sigqiba, kungekhona njengoko saxelelwa, kodwa njengoko sizazi ngokwethu. Imveliso yethu ngamava ethu. Kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo siya kwenza izisombululo esele zenziwe, iimveliso ze-SaaS, kukho iingcamango ezininzi. Kodwa akukho kungxama. Kukho amashumi eminyaka ngaphambili.

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