Alan Kay ืืื Marvin Minsky: ืงืึธืืคึผืืืืขืจ ืืืืกื ืฉืึทืคึฟื ืืื ืฉืืื ืึท "ืืจืึทืืึทืืืง". ืืืจืฃ "ืืืืขืจืืืืจ"
ืขืจืฉืืขืจ ืคืื ืืื ืงืก ืืื ืืึทืจืืืื ืืื ืกืงื, ืฆืืืืื ืคืื ืืื ืงืก ืืื ืึทืืึทื ืงืืึท, ืืขืจื ืึธื ืืืื ื ืคึผืขืจื ืืึทืจืืึธืื ืืื ืืืึธืจืืึท ืืื ืกืงื. ืคืจืืืข: ืืื ืืืึธืื ืืืจ ืืืึทืืฉื ืืึทืจืืืื ืืื ืกืงื ืก ืืขืืึทื ืง ืึทื "ืงืึธืืคึผืืืืขืจ ืืืืกื ืฉืึทืคึฟื ืืื ืฉืืื ืึท ืืจืึทืืึทืืืง. ืืืึธืก ืื ืืึทืจืฃ ืืื ืืืืขืจืึทืืืจ.โ? Alan Kay: ืื ืืขืจืกื ืืฉืืงืึทืืืข ืึทืกืคึผืขืงื ืคืื Ken ืก ืืืึธื ืคึผืึธืกืื (ืึทืจืืึทื ืืขืจืขืื ื ืื ืืึทืืขืจืงืื ืืขื) ืืื ืึทื ืื ืขืจืืขืฆ ื ืื [โฆ]