Sawubona mphakathi!
NgoMeyi 18, a .
Lesi sihloko sihlinzeka ngombhalo ovela endaweni yesehlakalo: sixoxe ngezinhlelo zesikhathi eside zokuthuthukiswa kwenethiwekhi ye-Medium, isidingo sokusebenzisa i-HTTPS yama-eepsites lapho usebenzisa inethiwekhi ye-Medium, ukuthunyelwa kwenethiwekhi yokuxhumana nabantu ngaphakathi kwenethiwekhi ye-I2P, nokunye okuningi. .
Zonke izinto ezithakazelisa kakhulu zingaphansi kokunqunywa.
1) Lokhu kufundeka isikhathi eside.
2) Lena ingxoxo evulekile: ungajoyina ingxoxo kumazwana wokuthunyelwe.
3) Amagama ababambiqhaza afushanisiwe ukuze kugcinwe imfihlo futhi efundeka.
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M.P.: Namuhla sifuna ukuveza izindaba ezibalulekile mayelana nenhlangano yenethiwekhi - izinhlelo zesikhathi eside nokunye okunjalo. Manje, sesiyiqalile ingxoxo encane, sibheka phambili, futhi saxazulula inkinga yabaphikisayo. Abanye bebekhathazekile ngokugxekwa okungekuhle kulezi zinkulumo, bethi kuzofika abantu ababi babophe wonke umuntu.
Ukuze abanye abahlukumezi bangene ngokunyenya engqungqutheleni futhi baqale ukucasula, sidinga ukwenza okuthile okungekho emthethweni - futhi noma ngokwezenzo zomthetho ezikhona, sisebenzisa amaphuzu e-Wi-Fi - okokuqala, asizona izinhlangano ezisemthethweni , okwesibili, senza unganikezi ukufinyelela ku-inthanethi - i-I2P kuphela.
Ku-ajenda, yimiphi imibuzo ephakanyiswe: okokuqala, lena yi-Yggdrasil, engasiniki ukuthula imini nobusuku, akunjalo?
Sh.: Ingxenye yezomthetho...
M.P.: Ingxenye yezomthetho, yebo, yebo - manje umngane wami uzobamba, sizoxoxa ngakho. Okulandelayo - besifuna nokuxoxa ngenkundla yokuxhumana - isishonile futhi iyaphila...
Sh.: Singakwazi ukukhulisa i-HumHub ku-Yggdrasil?
M.P.: Eqinisweni yebo. Kodwa kungani siyiphakamisa kuyilapho singamane sinikeze ukufinyelela?
Sh.: Akukubi kangako.
M.P.: Okusho ukuthi, umbuzo mubi kakhulu mayelana nezokuthutha - i-I2P ihamba kancane futhi umqondo wenethiwekhi ezingeni lephrothokholi awusho ukuthi izoshesha kakhulu. Lokhu kuhle. Ngokombono womsebenzisi olula, lokhu, vele, akukuhle.
M.S.: Ngaphezu kwe. Ngokuvamile, ngendlela, umbuzo mayelana namaphuzu: ake sithi ama-node angafakwa ezindaweni ezithile ezisebenza njalo - uyakwenza lokho?
M.P.: Yebo, ngokuvamile, yebo: esimweni sethu, "Medium" ihlinzeka ngomhlinzeki, lapho opharetha ngamunye onamaphuzu akhe eyi-ISP yakhe, okungukuthi umhlinzeki.
M.S.: Umhlinzeki wakho siqu.
M.P.: Yebo: umhlinzeki wakho siqu. Okungukuthi, ezimele, endlalekile futhi sovereign.
M.S.: Kuthiwani ngalabo abangeke babe ku-inthanethi njalo - ukungena nokuphuma? Indlela eyodwa noma enye, ama-node aseduze azoxhunywa futhi kukhona into efana nontanga yomphakathi.
M.P.: Cha, iphuzu liwukuthi simaka ama-node anjalo njengatholakala kancane, futhi akukho lutho olungalungile ngalokho, empeleni: ukuthi nje ibhulokhi izoba phuzi esikhundleni sohlaza.
M.S.: Cha, kahle, ngokuya ngesivinini - akuwona wonke umuntu ozokhathazeka ngokuxhumeka okuhlala njalo.
M.P.: Eqinisweni yebo. Kodwa le ndlela iyinkinga ngoba akunakwenzeka ukuqinisekisa ubuqiniso bawo wonke amaphuzu, ukuthi azokwenza okufanayo. Umuntu angenza ngandlela thize lapho ngokwemithetho yakhe.
M.S.: Lokhu ukucaciswa kwemishini...
M.P.: Lokhu ukucaciswa kwanoma yimaphi amanethiwekhi ahlakazekile ngokujwayelekile. Ngokuyisisekelo. Akukhona ngisho nemishini, kodwa mayelana nabaqhubi - kahle, akazange athande okuthile, waya ukuyivimba.
Ngenxa yobuqiniso bala maphuzu, okungukuthi, ukuthi wonke ahlelwe ngendlela efanayo, ukuphepha kwabasebenzisi kuncike. Akuwona wonke umuntu oyisigebengu esihlakaniphile esiqonda ukuthi kungani ungakwazi, isibonelo, ukufaka amaphasiwedi kunethiwekhi ye-I2P ngaphandle kwe-HTTPS uma uxhuma nge "Medium"; okusho ukuthi, ngokuzenzakalelayo kuphephile, kodwa uma udlula "Okumaphakathi", khona-ke...
Sh.: Sizobona amaphasiwedi akho!
M.P.: Yebo. Kufanele kuthathwe izinyathelo zokuzivikela.
Sh.: Ngakho-ke, ngenxa yokuphepha, sicela wenze amaphasiwedi amade, angacacile!
M.P.: Futhi, cha, inkinga ukuthi lokhu ngeke kukusindise ku-comrade major - ngiqonde ukuthi sikholelwa ukuthi iphuzu ngalinye elithi "Medium" lifakwa engozini ngokuzenzakalelayo futhi i-comrade major ihlezi ngemuva kwayo.
Awukwazi ukuya kunethiwekhi ye-I2P ngaphandle kwe-HTTPS ngoba yonke idatha ephakathi kwe-node yokuxhumana, okungukuthi, i-router, kanye nobhalisile, isivele idluliswa ngefomu elisusiwe, lokhu akuphephile. Okusho ukuthi, kusukela kulesi sikhundla, noma yikuphi ukusetshenziswa okunjalo kufanele kucindezelwe.
M.S. Futhi mayelana namaphuzu angekho ekhaya ngokuqondile noma ezweni; amaphuzu angaxhunywa emthonjeni othile wamandla futhi abekwe endaweni ethile yepaki, ngoba, okwamanje, sidinga uhlobo oluthile lokuhlanganisa noma kunjalo...
Sh.: Ukubeka ngokuzithandela-okuphoqelekile nabangane nezihlobo.
M.S.: Uke wadweba ipulani elinzima ephepheni, libukeka kanjani? Noma ngabe konke sekuxoxiwe kuze kube manje?
M.P.: Ngokuvamile, ngombono, asizange sibe nombuzo onjalo wokuthatha iphepha nokudweba. Yini okufanele uyidwebe? Nathi, yonke into i-prosaic futhi ivulekile futhi iyaqondakala.
M.P.: Ngokuvamile, kuyoba okulungile ukuqhathanisa "Okumaphakathi" ne-benign cancerous tumor, okungukuthi, ngenkathi incane, ayibonakali futhi ayizange inikeze noma ubani. Uma kuningi, yini engenziwa?
M.S.: Mayelana nokukhathazeka ngokulawula ukuxhumana, sonke siyaqonda ukuthi ngandlela thile kunabantu abafuna ukulawula yonke into.
M.P.: I-dissonance elandelayo iyavela: esimweni esimaphakathi kukhona amanethiwekhi ahlukaniswe.
M.S.: Futhi embuzweni wokuthi i-inthanethi yathuthukiswa abantu abazimele ekuqaleni, ngakho-ke asinakho ubunzima obufana nobase-China.
M.P.: Hhayi-ke, akufanele uyiqhathanise neShayina ngesizathu esisodwa: iphesenti labantu abazi isiNgisi lapho lincane kakhulu. Kungani bedinga enye i-inthanethi? Abahlanganise lutho nalokhu.
Ngikhulume nelinye iShayina, konke kuhamba kahle.
M.S.: Cha, udinga ukuqonda ukuthi yiziphi izindawo abantu abalungele ukungena kuzo endaweni empunga...
M.P.: Ngandlela thize ukuze uthole imingcele yalezi zikhathi ezingacacile...
M.S.: Ukuqeda i-FSB kuwukucasuka okuqondile, akufanele ukwenze lokho.
Uma, uma sikhuluma nje, ubeka umzila endaweni ethile ensimini ezosabalalisa okuthile, kulungile, kulungile.
Asikho isidingo sokudala ukucasuka. Yilokho kuphela.
M.P.: Ngivumelana ngokuphelele nokucasulwa.
Sh.: Manje izinto eziningi ezifanayo ziye zanda.
M.P.: Okungukuthi, isikhundla sethu siwukugcina ukungathathi hlangothi, ukuzola ... Futhi hhayi ukweqa imingcele, ake sithi. Yilokho kuphela.
Ngeke sihlele noma iyiphi i-NGO - konke kwenziwa ngokuzithandela. Empeleni, elithi βMediumβ igama nje lephoyinti. I-SSID Akukho okwenziwe imali.
Uma umbuso uqala ukwesabisa abasebenzisi, lona umbuzo weziphathimandla, hhayi wabasebenzisi.
Sh.: Simangele kakhulu ukuthi iziphathimandla zizoba nentshisekelo.
M.S.: Sisalanda kusuka ezifuleni, sibuka amafilimu abongi, uchungechunge lwe-TV - akunandaba. Asinaki. Futhi lapho nje umuntu ecabanga ngokwenza inethiwekhi yokuxhumana nabantu ihlukaniseke, kungazelelwe kusuka endaweni ethile abantu baqala ukukhuluma ngengozi engazelelwe.
M.P.: Izingozi ziyihaba kakhulu.
M.S.: Ngakho-ke, angazi ukuthi kuhle kangakanani ukukhathazeka... Akekho ozophula izinqe ukuze afinyelele umshisekeli othile owenza okuthile ukuze ajabule.
M.P.: Uma singabhali inombolo yefulethi, kunjalo!
M.S.: Cha ngoba? Umbuzo uwukuthi - kungani?
M.P.: Ngeke.
M.S.: Ku-VKontakte okwamanje kukhona inqwaba yamaqembu aqinile. Umbuzo: Zingaki zazo ezivaliweyo ngosuku?
Sh.: Konke lokhu, futhi, okuphathelene nezihloko - uphethiloli we-paranoia - ukuboshelwa ukuthunyelwa kabusha - kwenziwa ngokusekelwe ekugxekeni.
M.P.: Futhi azenziwa ngisho ngokukhetha - nje ngokungahleliwe: hop! Futhi yilokho kuphela: ukufeza uhlelo.
M.S.: Ubani okufanele ahlale kuphrojekthi encane eyabelwe ukuze izothakazelisa kubantu abagqoke umfaniswano abaqaphela kakhulu ukucabanga kwabo? Lokhu kungase kuthakazelise abanye ochwepheshe, kodwa mangaki amaphrojekthi afanayo asekhona?
M.P.: Vele, thatha i-Yggdrasil efanayo, i-Hyperboria...
Sh.: Asiyifaki ngempela i-Linux.
M.S.: Futhi futhi: awukho umvuzo wokuthunjwa kwabantu abanjalo abangenamsebenzi walutho emsebenzini wabo. Okungukuthi, yini abazoyithola kulokhu?
M.P.: Nokho, kuthiwani uma, isibonelo, sithatha indaba Bogatov, isazi sezibalo?
M.S.: Indaba noBogatov yindaba lapho umlingani, ake sithi, yebo: wafaka ifindo, ngaye othile wasongela othile ...
M.P.: Hhayi-ke, konke kucacile lapha - wathatha zonke lezi zingozi ...
M.S.: Yebo. Okokuqala, wazifaka engozini, futhi okwesibili, ngiyaxolisa, kwakukhona ngempela into ezwakalayo lapho. Nakulokhu: ubani lapha futhi manje ozokwenza okuthile ngale nethiwekhi?
Manje abantu abazoza kuyo bazoba nentshisekelo ngokukhethekile kule phrojekthi njengephrojekthi: hhayi ukuze kwenziwe okuthile noma kuxoxiswane ngokunikezwa kwezidakamizwa, ukubulala umuntu...
Iphuzu liwukuthi uma kwenzeka kubaluleke kumuntu, kuzokwenzeka lapho inqwaba ebucayi isiqoqiwe. Futhi akulona iqiniso ukuthi izoqoqwa.
M.P.: Noma ngabe bekunentshisekelo kosopolitiki abathi, masithembeke, abangayiqondi ngempela imigomo yenethiwekhi yomhlabaβ¦
M.S.: Oh, futhi lesi isihloko esihluke ngokuphelele... Ziyini izikhiye zokubethela? Okhiye bokubethela bamayelana nokuthembana. Leli izinga labantu abakhuluma kakhulu ngesihloko sokhiye bokubethela. Basondela kumuntu obefunda okuthile endaweni yesikhulumi mayelana nesidingo sezikhiye zokubethela - njengochwepheshe - baya kuye babuze: ziyini izikhiye zokubethela? Uphendula ngokuthi sidinga ukubuza ochwepheshe, nakuba ebonakala engochwepheshe lapho.
M.P.: Okungukuthi, into ebaluleke kakhulu kubo ukuthi isiphetho sithethelela izindlela. Kodwa izibonelo eziningi zinganikezwa lapha: ezinye azikwazi ngisho nokuphendula ukuthi iyini i-IP - Internet Protocol.
M.P.: Manje ngiphakamisa ukuxoxa ngezokuthutha. Okusho ukuthi, besine-I2P futhi sine-Yggdrasil. Kukhona inketho yokufaka i-Yggdrasil esikhundleni se-I2P.
Sh.: Inketho yinhle.
M.P.: Amazwana adingekayo. Kungani? Kumelwe kube nokuphikisana okuthile.
Sh.: I-Yggdrasil izoshesha.
M.P.: Futhi yisona sizathu kuphela leso? Kodwa ukukhomba ababambiqhaza kulula kakhulu. Vele, kukhona ukubethela lapho, ngaphandle kwebhokisi - lokhu, kuhle, kodwa akufani ku-I2P.
Yini embi nge-I2P: ihamba kancane. Kodwa! Kunoma iyiphi incwadi ye-cryptography oyivulayo, bazokutshela emakhasini okuqala - khetha: ngokushesha noma ngokuphepha. Kusukela kulesi sikhundla, i-I2P iyaphumelela, naphezu kwamazwi abantu abathi: "Cha, ngeke sikusebenzise lokhu, akukho lutho lapho." Awu, kungani kungenjalo? Ngakho-ke, sikhulise i-HumHub.
Okungukuthi, lapha futhi kufanele sikhethe: yini esiyithandayo?I-Yggdrasil inhle uma kunamaphuzu amaningi futhi ithrafikhi ayidluli ku-inthanethi, kodwa phakathi kwamaphoyinti ngokwawo.
M.P.: Isikhubekiso sethu isivinini noma ukuphepha. Sifunani? Kunenkinga lapha, uyabona: isiteshi sokuxhuma phakathi kobhalisile "Omaphakathi" nephoyinti le-I2P aliphephile. Okusho ukuthi, sidinga izinsiza esizihlinzekayo ukuthi zibe ne-HTTPS - okungukuthi, ukuphepha kwesendlalelo sezokuthutha. Ngoba ithrafikhi isuswe ukubethela kumzila we-I2P wesisebenzisi se-telecom futhi idluliselwe kithi ngesiteshi esingavikelekile.
Umbuzo uwukuthi ungabavikela kanjani abasebenzisi abangaba khona: isisombululo esilula kunazo zonke ukuphakamisa ipaki yezinsiza - inkundla, ibhodi lezithombe, inethiwekhi yokuxhumana nabantu. inethiwekhi futhi uwaxhume wonke ku-HTTPS.
Sh.: Ungakwazi ngisho nokuxhuma noma yisiphi isithunywa.
M.P.: Futhi ungakwazi, vele, usuvele ucabange ngokuthile ngesithunywa esingasebenza kumodi yokumbondela phezulu kwe-I2P.
M.S.: Kunoma yikuphi, uma sikhuluma ngezithunywa ezisheshayo nhlobo, ngokuvamile ziqukethe umbhalo... Ngokwejubane, kuyinto evamile.
M.P.: Ngokuvamile, kunombuzo onjalo - ngifuna ukuwuveza ukuze kuxoxwe ngawo - kungenzeka ngesinye isikhathi "Medium" ukuphakamisa hhayi kuphela ummeleli wewebhu osobala wezinsizakalo zewebhu, kodwa futhi nenye insizakalo yokushintshisana ngamafayela, yonke into engaphakathi. lowomoya.
Ngenza ihaba ukuze ingqikithi icace. Ukuze icuphe amanye amachweba wokwabelana ngamafayela, kanti amanye ama-proxies ewebhu. Futhi xoxa noma isithunywa esithile. Qalisa amachweba athile kusithunywa futhi konke kuzolunga.
M.P.: Sidinga ukuxoxa ngemithetho yokuziphatha ku-inthanethi. Ukuhlanzeka kwedijithali. Letha abantu abajwayelekile ukuthi kungani, ngokwesibonelo, awukwazi ukuthumela amaphasiwedi akho ngokuthi "Okumaphakathi" uma ufinyelela isayithi ngaphandle kwe-HTTPS.
M.S.: Okubalulekile ukuthi abantu abangaqondi ukuthi awukwazi ukuthumela amaphasiwedi, yithi, VK, awukwazi ukuwathumela ngengxoxo futhi yilokho kuphela ...
M.P.: Cha, empeleni, bengikhuluma kancane ngenye into: Ngisho ukuthi, akukhona ngisho nokunikeza amagama ayimfihlo kunoma ubani, hhayi nhlobo: ngikhuluma ngenye into. Ku-"Medium" isimo sichazwa ngokuhlukile: lesi yisizathu esifanayo ncamashi esenza e-Tor ungakwazi, uma sikhuluma nje, ukufaka iphasiwedi yakho kumasayithi angavikelekile.
Ngokuvamile, abasebenzisi abazi ukuthi uma usebenzisa irutha yakho ye-I2P ngaphandle kokuxhuma ku-Medium, lapho-ke ayikho inkinga - ithrafikhi yakho ibethelwe, awudingi ukukhathazeka ngedatha yakho. Kodwa uma usebenzisa i-"Medium", okokuqala kufanele ucabange ukuthi leli phuzu selivele lehlisiwe nguComrade Major. UComrade Major uhlezi lapho futhi ulalela konke omtshela kona.
Uma ufaka iphasiwedi yakho, kwenzekani: iphasiwedi yakho idluliselwa esiteshini esingavikelekile isuka kuwe iye kumzila we-comrade major, futhi ngemva kwalokho ingena kunethiwekhi ye-I2P. UComrade Majoro angalalela. Wonke amanye ama-node - ama-transit nodes - awakwenzi. Inkinga ke leyo.
Ngingavele ngichaze kafushane ngesibonelo esilula kakhulu, ngendlela ecacile, ukuthi i-cryptography ye-asymmetric isebenza kanjani nokuthi kungani i-Medium ingaphezu kokufaneleka njengokuthutha.
Manje, ake ucabange sineqabane elilodwa laseMoscow nelinye lase-Australia. Omunye wabo udinga ukuthumela iphakethe elinesigidi samadola e-Australia. Akafuni ukwenza lokhu nge-Sberbank, ngoba ikhomishini izoba nkulu.
M.S.: Yingakho eyithumela nge-courier.
M.P.: Yebo: yingakho ethumela ipotimende ngqo nemali nge-courier. Ngiyithathe nginamathisele ingidi epotimendeni. Masivumelane ukuthi ngeke sikwazi ukuvula ingidi.
Ipotimende silinikeza umthumeli. Umthunywa uphatha ipotimende kumngane wethu ovela e-Australia. Umngane wase-Australia udidekile: βNgizolivula kanjani ipotimende? Anginawo ukhiye!"
Ngimcele ukuthi abeke ingidi yakhe epotimendeni angibuyisele yona. I-courier ididekile, kodwa ibuyisela ipotimende. Ngikhumula ingidi yami. Ingidi yomngane ihlala phezu kwepotimende. Ngithumela ipotimende e-Australia. Uqabane ukhumula ingidi yakhe.
Ubuqili besandla futhi akukho ukukhwabanisa.
M.S.: Hhayi-ke, ngokujwayelekile, ukulungiswa kokuthi sizivala kangakanani kwabanye ngezingidi kumele kulinganiswe. Akudingeki ukuthi abe yimfashini.
M.P.: Yiba nemingcele ethile.
M.S.: Imbobo enkulu yokuphepha izohlala ihlezi phambi komqapha, ngemuva kwekhibhodi ... Kuze kube yilapho izinga labafana abahlezi kukhompyutha liphakanyiswa, ngeke sikwazi ukuvikela ngokuphelele ukusetshenziswa kwale nethiwekhi.
M.P.: Empeleni, sidinga nje ukukhulisa kancane inani lamasayithi ku-I2P asekela i-HTTPS. Ngikhuthaza ukuthi i-HTTPS ku-I2P iwukunikeza nje ungqimba lwezokuthutha lokuphepha.
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