"Isimo sengqondo esingejwayelekile kwezezimali" - kuthiwani uma abasebenzi belawula imali yabo ngokwabo. Ingxoxo noFlant

Ezweni lapho ibhizinisi lakho kuphela elingakucebisa ngempela, abantu basahamba bayosebenza ukuze baqashwe. Okokuqala, akuwona wonke umuntu ojabulela ukuba usomabhizinisi, kodwa kufanele baphile. Okwesibili, emsebenzini yonke into icacile futhi iphephile - wenza umsebenzi wakho, futhi izingozi eziningi zithathwa ngabanye. Kusukela lapha izingxabano ezindala, ezikhathele ziyakhula: abanikazi bafuna izisebenzi zikhuthazeke, njengokungathi umsebenzi ibhizinisi labo; abasebenzi bafuna ukwenza lokho abakhokhelwa khona hhayi okunye.

Kunokwehluka kulobu budlelwano bakudala—izinketho, intshisekelo, amabhonasi—okwenza kufane nokuthi abanikazi nabasebenzi basesikebheni esisodwa. Kodwa kukhona nezinye izimo ezingavamile.

Inkampani ye-Flant inamaqembu amaningana ama-devops ahlinzeka ngemikhiqizo yabanye abantu. Bakhule besuka eqenjini lezigilamkhuba zabafundi nabalandeli beLinux, futhi manje sebezakhele isakhiwo “samabhizinisi ngaphakathi kwebhizinisi”, ngenxa nje yokuthi linethezekile futhi lithembekile. UDima Stolyarov noSasha Batalov basitshele ukuthi isebenza kanjani.

UFlant wangena ukulinganisa abaqashi abahamba phambili be-IT 2018 isilinganiso esimaphakathi 4.68. Uma sibheka izilinganiso zenkampani kokuthi Umbuthano Wami, abasebenzi bakholelwa ukuthi inkampani yenza umhlaba ube indawo engcono, futhi bayakwazisa i-Flaunt ngemisebenzi yayo ethakazelisayo, ubudlelwano obuhle eqenjini, ubuchwepheshe besimanje kanye nokuxhumana nabaphathi abaphezulu.

Iqembu labafundi be-Linux

Dmitry Stolyarov (umqondisi wezobuchwepheshe) ngesikhathi sombiko wakhe

- (Dima Stolyarov) Besilokhu sibandakanyeka ku-Linux kanye nomthombo ovulekile, kodwa siqale ngesihloko esihlekisayo, manje esinamahloni kancane ngaso. Ngesizathu esithile sicabange ukuthi kufanele sethule iLinux emahhovisi esikhundleni seWindows. Igama lokuqala lenkampani kwakungu-TrueOffice - "ihhovisi leqiniso". Sabe sesibona ukuthi akekho owayeyidinga. Lokhu kwakungo-2006, ngangineminyaka engu-19 ubudala. Kungo-2012-13 kuphela lapho saqaphela khona ukwenza ibhizinisi, yiziphi ubuchwepheshe obudingwa umhlaba.

Alexander Batalov (CEO) endaweni yenkampani engqungqutheleni

- (Sasha Batalov) Ngaphandle kwezobuchwepheshe, kukhona ungqimba olukhulu ngendlela yokuthengisa, yokuthengisa kanye nezomnotho, okungekho muntu owake wasifundisa, ngaphandle kwezifundo zaseyunivesithi, kodwa angazi ukuthi zisebenza kanjani futhi ziwusizo kangakanani.

Ekuqaleni kwakubonakala kithi ukuthi konke lokhu kwakungadingekile, kodwa-ke kwakudingeka sikufunde ngokusebenza, sifunde izincwadi, ngezinye izikhathi ngemva kokuba sesivele siyitholile. Ngokuvamile, sahamba indlela ende enameva, sazama inqwaba yezinto ezingalungile.

- (DS) Kodwa kancane kancane, njengoba amakhono ethu ekhula, sonke sasebenza ngokukhethekile ku-Linux, futhi manje sibhekana kuphela namaphrojekthi ewebhu alayishwe kakhulu. Futhi lapho uKubernetes evela, saqaphela ngokushesha ukuthi lesi kwakuyisona sisekelo esasishoda kakhulu.

- Kungani bekunentshisekelo enjalo kuLinux? Imibono noma ubuchwepheshe?

- (DS) Le nkampani inabasunguli ababili - uDima Shurupov kanye nami. U-Dima Shurupov wayenentshisekelo eyengeziwe emthonjeni ovulekile. Futhi ngangiyithanda i-Linux, kwezobuchwepheshe, ukuthi yonke into yayisebenza kanjani lapho. Futhi umphumela waba inhlanganisela: U-Dima uthanda imibono, futhi ngithanda ubuchwepheshe. Ngiyawuthanda umthombo ovulekile njengombono, kodwa uhlangothi lwezobuchwepheshe belulokhu lubaluleke kakhulu kimi.

U-Einstein uthe: “Okufanele kwenziwe kulula ngangokunokwenzeka, kodwa akulula.” I-Linux yakhiwe ngendlela elula, enokwethenjelwa futhi esobala kangangokuthi ngiyayijabulela. Sonke sasikuthanda, futhi sasuka eqenjini labafundi saya eqenjini elikhulu. Manje sesivele singu-70. Ku-IT, ngezinkonzo ezikhethekile, lokhu kuningi kakhulu.

— Kwakunjani ngesikhathi seqembu labafundi?

- (DS) Yebo, njengenjwayelo nabafundi, kumnandi futhi kuyadlala.

- (SAT) Inani elikhulu lokuzidela, isifiso sokunqoba i-Intanethi, ukunqoba iziqongo zobuchwepheshe. Sahileleka emisebenzini eyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu - sasivame ukuthatha amaphrojekthi abalulekile (kodwa athakazelisa kakhulu!) emkhakheni wokuhlanganiswa kwesistimu, siwenzela amasenti. Bazama ukwenza ezabo izinhlaka, bathatha bonke ubuchwepheshe ababufundile, futhi ngokushesha babafunela izicelo.

— Ingabe konke kwahamba kahle ngokwezentengiselwano?

- (DS) Yebo, kodwa ekuqaleni besingadingi lutho. Ngalezo zinsuku, kimi, ama-ruble ayizinkulungwane ezingu-40 kwakuyimali engenayo evamile, ngasebenzisa imali eningi kuyo.

- (SAT) Futhi ngacabanga ukuthi ngamadola ayinkulungwane ungenza noma iyiphi iwebhusayithi ongayicabanga.

- (DS) Ngo-2013, sasingenayo imali yokuqasha ngokukhululekile eMoscow. Sesithathe wonke umuntu esimaziyo ukuthi angathathwa. Sanquma ukuvula ihhovisi eNizhny Novgorod. Saya khona, savula, saqala ukuqasha. Base bebona ukuthi kunzima ukuhlala namahhovisi amabili, banquma ukuhlala bengenawo nhlobo amahhovisi.

Yebo, sishaya amaqhubu amaningi. Kwaze kwafika u-2016 ngafunda iRemote, ngamahloni. Ngakhala ngahleka ngoba sahamba ngendlela efanayo. Isigaba ngasinye sahlangana nolwazi lwami.

- (SAT) Zonke izigaba zaziqukethe izibazi zethu.

Wenzani uFlant?

Sihlinzeka ngezinsizakalo ze-turnkey zemikhiqizo elayisha kakhulu. Lokhu kuhlukile ekuthengeni okuvamile ngoba sihlala namakhasimende isikhathi eside kakhulu futhi sixhumana eduze kakhulu, abantu bayasethemba ngenye yezinto zabo ezibaluleke kakhulu. Ibhizinisi labo lincike kakhulu ekutheni sisebenza kanjani.

Ukuze udale ukusebenza kokukhiqiza okuphezulu, udinga ama-devops angu-15-20, ochwepheshe bedathabhesi, ochwepheshe be-Kubernetes, isevisi yokusekela, njalonjalo. Futhi uma inkampani incane, inonjiniyela ababili noma abathathu kuphela, lokhu akunakwenzeka. Bese size sigcine. Inkulungwane ngo-150.

Ngaphambilini, besinomsebenzi wokwakha inkampani lapho thina ngokwethu sizokhululeka ukusebenza, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi kuzwakala kuwubuwula kangakanani. Manje njengoba lokhu sekwenzekile, umgomo uwukwenza ubuchwepheshe obusezingeni le-Google ne-Facebook butholakale kumabhizinisi amancane kanye nokuqala ekuqaleni.

Abantu bangagxila emkhiqizweni wabo kunokunqoba izinkinga okungenzeka zinganqotshwa.

Abafana abaningi abeza kithi bayamangala ukuthi zingaki izinto ezihlukene, yiziphi izingcindezi ezikhona yonke indawo. Sinamaphrojekthi angaphezu kwama-50 akhiqizwayo, amaqoqo e-Kuebrnetes angaphezu kuka-70. Kuhlale kungenzeka ukuklona izinto. Ngavula uhlelo lokudweba, ngadweba i-microservice architecture, ngenza uhlu lwama-technologies angu-200, futhi sahamba. Kodwa lokhu kuhlale kuholela ezinkingeni nemiphumela.

Iqhinga liwukuqinisekisa ukuzinza okukhulu, ukwethembeka kanye nokulula ngakolunye uhlangothi, kanye nezinga eliphezulu lokuqamba okusha ngakolunye. Nokho, siyaziqhenya ngokuthi singakwenza lokhu. Lokhu sikwenza yonke indawo futhi ngobuningi, njenge-Ikea evamile.

Odinga ama-devops angaphandle

- Kimina kubonakala sengathi izinkampani ezinkulu zikhetha ukugcina abasebenzi be-devops kubasebenzi.

- (SAT) Kuyacaca ukuthi abadlali abakhulu, njengo-Avito noma u-Badoo, bangaqasha abasebenzi be-devops. Izinkampani ezincane ezinokutshalwa kwezimali okukhulu nazo zingakwenza - kodwa zizonxenxa, hhayi iqiniso lokuthi zizoba namandla anele okubhekana nazo.

Sikholelwa ukuthi nezinkampani ezinkulu zingcono uma ziphendukela kochwepheshe abenze konke okusemandleni abo kulolu daba. Izinkampani ezincane ezinebhizinisi elisekelwe kuwebhu zidinga nje ukuphendukela kubantu abanolwazi. Ngoba noma yisiphi isikhathi sokuphumula ohlelweni oluyisihluthulelo ukulahlekelwa yimali.

- (DS) Siyazi ukuthi abantu baseRussia besaba ukukhishwa kwemisebenzi - ngenxa yesipiliyoni esibi nangezinye izizathu. Kodwa amaklayenti awasishiyi. Eminyakeni eyishumi bahamba ngezizathu ezimbili kuphela. Kuphakathi kokuthi badlula thina (ngokwesibonelo, bathengiwe futhi bakha kabusha yonke into), noma bavala ngoba umbono awuzange usebenze.

- Futhi ngubani oza kuwe kaningi - izinkampani ezincane noma ezinkulu?

- (DS) Kuyafana manje. Kodwa abancane bayasesaba nje, bacabanga ukuthi thina...

- (SAT)... enkulu, eyinkimbinkimbi, engafinyeleleki futhi enekhanda lethu emafini.

- (DS) Yebo, yebo, udlula i-showroom ene-Maybach futhi ungangeni ngaphakathi, ungabuzi intengo, ngoba kahle, i-Maybach ayikwazi ukubiza ama-ruble ayizinkulungwane ezingu-500.

- Yebo angeke.

- (SAT) Kodwa uma nje ibonakala ekwabelaneni ngemoto, ungakwazi ukukhokhela ukuyishayela.

- (DS) Yebo, thina, vele, asiyona iMaybach - siyi-Ikea. Siphinde sakwenza kwaba lula, okuthembekile futhi okuthengekayo. Ngokuvamile, inani lezinkampani ze-TOP-50 nezinkampani ezincane ezisithintayo ziyafana. Kodwa sithembele kakhulu emabhizinisini amancane futhi sisebenza kakhulu nawo, futhi sizame ukungabambisani namakhulu.

- Kungani?

- (DS) Ama-bureaucracy amaningi.

- (SAT) Enkampanini enkulu kunamazinga amaningi okusatshalaliswa kuwo umthwalo wemfanelo, impendulo iba yinde kakhulu, futhi ngokuvamile abantu baqala ukudlala ngobuchwepheshe: “Asiyilinganise, sibhale isu, ipulani yonyaka ozayo, masenze kangcono ngale ndlela. , muhle ngokwedlulele kusiko lwebhizinisi.” , yile ndlela umkhuba wethu othuthuke ngayo.” Futhi ngakho-ke baqala ukuhlanganisa izinto ezingaxazululwa ngendlela enqamulelayo ukuze u-80% womphumela ube kusasa. Bahamba indlela ende, lapho kungaziwa ukuthi izosebenza noma cha.

Ngenxa yalokho, esikhundleni sezinqubo ezisungulwe kahle, sisungula kabusha isondo, futhi izindleko zesixazululo sezobuchwepheshe ziba phezulu ngokungenakuqhathaniswa. Ngesikhathi esifanayo, ikhwalithi ayilona iqiniso lokuthi kuyoba ngcono.

Imali yokusebenzela ngaphandle

Sinamaphrojekthi amaningi ku-GitHub, sinikela ngenkuthalo wonke umlando ukuze uvule umthombo. Hhayi kokwethu kuphela, kodwa nakwabanye futhi. Sizama ukwabelana ngamathuluzi esiwasebenzisa nsuku zonke. Sikholelwa ukuthi lokhu kuwumthwalo wethu wemfanelo, futhi sikujabulela kakhulu ukuwenza.

Bonke abafana enkampanini banikela ngandlela thize - kungaba ngezibuyekezo, noma imibhalo, noma ikhodi. Sikholelwa ukuthi lena inkokhelo yethu yawo wonke umhlaba ocebile wezinsiza zemithombo evulekile esiyisebenzisayo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi le mali siyikhokha ngokufanelekile.

Lokhu sikubiza ngokuthi ukufingqa kokuhlangenwe nakho. Ekuqaleni, umuntu oyedwa wafunda okuthile, wabelana ngakho nozakwabo, futhi isipiliyoni saba yinganekwane. Sabe sesiqopha amadokhumenti, sabe sesiyidonsa ezinsizeni futhi sakhohlwa ngokuba khona kwayo, ngoba asisacabangi - konke kucatshangelwa ngokuzenzakalelayo.

Ukuduma kobuchwepheshe kanye nobuthi babathuthukisi

— Kungani Ubuntu? Ngaphambi kokuthi akhishwe, yini enye obuyicabanga?

- (DS) Sasiyiqembu labafundi abathanda iLinux. Futhi sasebenzisa i-Gentoo isikhathi eside - iwukusabalalisa okusekelwe emthonjeni, futhi kufanele ihlanganiswe kusukela ekuqaleni njalo. Lapho sesinamaseva angamakhulu ambalwa, ukuthuthukisa kwathatha izinyanga. Yiqiniso, ekuqaleni sasizenzakalela futhi salungiselela yonke into, kodwa ekugcineni saqaphela ukuthi kukhona okwakudinga ukuguqulwa, futhi, ngokwazi izinzuzo nezingozi zezixazululo ezihlukahlukene, savele sathatha ethandwa kakhulu. Khona-ke yayinembile - njengoba ithandwa kakhulu, kusho ukuthi izothuthuka kangcono, futhi konke ukushiyeka kuzolungiswa ngokushesha noma kamuva.

Bekukhona isizindalwazi esinjalo se-Resync DB. Bancintisane neMongoDB futhi baqala ngaso leso sikhathi. Futhi isikhathi eside Ukuvumelanisa kabusha bekungcono kakhulu kwezobuchwepheshe.

Lapho abasebenzisi befika, bazama ukuxazulula izinkinga zesistimu yangaphakathi, futhi ku-MongoDB zaxazululwa kancane kakhulu, kodwa bangayala ngokwemibandela uma ukuze babe ngcono ekuhlolweni kokwenziwa. Ngakho-ke, ukuthandwa kwe-MongoDB kwakhula. Ezimweni ezilula kakhulu basebenze kangcono, kodwa ngaphakathi babeyizigebenga. Futhi i-Resync DB yayilungile ngaphakathi, kodwa ukuthandwa kwayo akuzange kukhule.

Ngenxa yalokho, konke kwaba kuhle ngaphakathi kwe-MongoDB, kodwa akekho okhumbula i-Resync DB. Inkampani yashabalala. Lena cishe indaba ngo-Ubuntu. Kunokugxila kakhulu kulokhu kusatshalaliswa, ngakho-ke sinqume ukukusebenzisa.

- Uzithanda kanjani izinguquko zakamuva zezepolitiki, i-CoC nakho konke lokho?

- (DS) Awu ... akukho negativity, konke kuhamba kahle, konke kucacile. Mina ngokwami ​​ngihlushwa ukuthi ngezinye izikhathi ngicasula abantu. Isibonelo, into ibonakala isobala kimi, futhi iqala ukungithukuthelisa ngendlela yokuthi abantu abayiqondi. Ngiyathukuthela, futhi kuvele kube yinto eyodwa engalungile (kodwa ngisebenza kukho).

Uhlakaniphe kakhulu uLinus, phela useneminyaka engamashumi amathathu enza lento. Kuyacaca ukuthi ungumuntu onokhahlo, akawuvali umlomo. Isithunzi sakhe siyaphazamiseka, nomphakathi uyasilungisa. Yena ngokwakhe uyaqonda futhi uvuma yonke into.

“Kepha, njengoba ngiqonda ekuphenduleni ezingxoxweni, abantu abaningi bayaweseka umbono wokukhuluma ngokuqondile nangekhahlo, futhi uma othile engakuthandi, ngeke ancibilike.

- (DS) Cha, lokho akulona iqiniso. Njengomuntu ohlushwa ukuntula inhlonipho, ngiyaqonda ukuthi kubi kakhulu lokhu. Lokhu kumosha umphakathi. Kunabantu abangenandaba, kodwa kubantu abaningi kusabalulekile ukunethezeka ngokomzwelo.

Kunephutha eliwubulima kukhodi. Ungabhala: “Bafo, kubi ukuthi siphuthelwa yizinto ezilula kangaka, sidinga ukuzilungisa.” Noma ungabhala: "Isiphi isilima esenze lokhu?!" Ibinzana elilodwa. Umuntu owenze leli phutha angase ahlakaniphe futhi anolwazi oluningi kunawe, kodwa wayengekho esimweni lapho enza iphutha - awukwazi ukuthi kwenzekani kuye. Futhi kuye kuyoba inhlamba eqondile. Kungani lokhu kudingekile?

Udinga ukusho izinto ngokuqondile, kodwa awudingi ukuthi "Yini i-idiot ebhale lokhu." Asikho futhi iphuzu lokucasha nokumboza, kodwa asikho isidingo sokucasula abantu futhi.

Kungani ama-devops edinga ukufonelana nsuku zonke?

- (DS) Manje sinehhovisi elilodwa elincane lapho kugcinwa khona imibhalo kanye nomphathi wehhovisi osebenza ngale mibhalo.

Inkampani inabantu abangama-70. Abantu abangama-20 bayiqembu le-OPS. Abantu abangu-30 bangamaqembu amathathu e-DevOps cishe abantu abayi-10 lilinye. Abangu-20 abasele bangabathuthukisi nokuthengisa. Abathuthukisi abangu-8, umnyango we-RND - abantu abangu-4. Kunabantu abangu-5-6 abangebona abezobuchwepheshe benkampani yonke.

Amaqembu amathathu e-DevOps enza imali ebalulekile. Izinqubo ziyafana yonke indawo - nsuku zonke kuba nomhlangano omude, ihora nesigamu. Kodwa lapho baxazulula zonke izinkinga zobuchwepheshe, futhi abafana banquma ukuthi benzeni ngokulandelayo. Futhi njengoba yonke into ikude, leli yithuba lokuxhumana ngokujwayelekile.

— Ingabe lokhu kuyadingeka ngempela nsuku zonke?

- (DS) Yebo.

- Ingabe wonke umuntu uyavumelana nalokhu?

- (DS) Yebo, wonke umuntu uyavuma, wonke umuntu unethezekile. Kodwa ngezinye izinsuku umbuthano ungathatha imizuzu engama-30. Ngaphandle kokuxhumana okuqine kakhulu ku-Slack, usafuna ukuvumelanisa kahle futhi uqonde okwenzeke izolo. Sifuna ukuqondana, hhayi nje ukuchofoza imisebenzi. Lesi yisikhathi esibalulekile ngokwesiko.

- (SAT) Noma yinini kungenzeka okuthile, isimo singashintsha. Ukulungiswa njalo kuyadingeka.

- (DS) Une-anecdote enhle ngalesi sihloko.

- (SAT) Yebo. Udokotela ohlinza inhliziyo ufika esikhungweni sezimoto, futhi umakhenikha uthi kuye: “Lalela, senza into efanayo, wena kuphela uhlinza inhliziyo yomuntu, futhi mina ngihlinza inhliziyo yemoto. Uthola i-$ 10 ngokusebenza, futhi ngithola ama-ruble angu-000 wesevisi.

Udokotela ohlinzayo uyabuza: “Ingabe nawe uyafuna ukuthola izinkulungwane eziyishumi ukuze zilungiswe?” Umakhenikha onjalo, kunjalo. Udokotela ohlinzayo angene emotweni, ayidumise futhi athi, "dlula."

Nathi futhi. Ekuthuthukisweni, ungathatha umsebenzi futhi ukhiqize imiphumela emavikini amabili. Khona-ke konke kungalungiswa, ngoba ukuhlanganisa noma ukususa izinsuku ezintathu akuthinti lutho.

Futhi esimweni sethu, zonke izexwayiso eziphuthelwe noma izinqumo ezingalungile kusexwayiso zingaphenduka inkinga enkulu kakhulu. Ukuze ugweme lokhu, ukuxhumana okuseduze, okusheshayo, okuqhubekayo kuyadingeka.

Ingabe kunzima ukuya kude?

Kunzima ukuphatha abantu ukude. Kodwa kunzima inqobo nje uma usehhovisi elilodwa futhi bekwelinye, futhi kukhona ukwazi okufiphele. Uhlezi eMoscow futhi kubonakala sengathi abafana baseNizhny basebenza kabi futhi bengasebenzi. EMoscow, uyayibona imizamo yabantu abaseduze kwakho, kodwa imizamo yezisebenzi ezikude ayikwenzi lokho. Wamukela umphumela kuphela.

Ehhovisi, ukuxhumana okuningi kwenzeka ngendlela engafaneleki - othile usho okuthile kumuntu endleleni eya ekhishini. Abantu kwelinye ihhovisi abayiboni, abayizwa, futhi umongo ulahlekile.

Ngesikhathi sesilungele ukuyeka ihhovisi, konke ukuxhumana (ngisho naphakathi kwezisebenzi egumbini elilodwa) kwakunge-Google Meet. Futhi lapho sakha konke ukuxhumana sikude, kwasebenza 100%, zonke izithiyo zokungaqondi zasuswa.

Kunzima ukuhlanganisa yonke into, kodwa uma ukwenza kahle, kuyasebenza futhi akubangeli noma yikuphi ukungakhululeki.

Amaqembu aphatha kanjani imali yawo

- Ukusebenza kude yinkinga ephikisanayo. Kwesinye isikhathi izinkampani ziyesaba ukudedela abantu bagoduke ngoba zicabanga ukuthi zizohluleka ukubalawula. Kodwa abangidedelayo nabo bathi sidinga ukusebenza ngendlela ehluke ngokuphelele.

- (DS) Sixazulule le nkinga ngokulungela ukwabelana ngemali namaqembu. Umnotho wethu wonke kanye nohlelo lwethu lokugqugquzela lwakhiwe cishe njenge-franchise. Amaholo aphakeme impela, futhi sishiyela abafana imali yamahhala.

Ithimba linikeza inqwaba yamaphrojekthi. Bayazi ukuthi iphrojekthi ngayinye iletha malini. Bayazi kahle ingxenye yabo yale mali. Yonke imali esele ngaphezu kwamaholo abo isala eqenjini futhi ihlukaniswa phakathi kwabo ngokohlelo oluthile. Isisusa siqondile ngokuphelele - bathatha iphrojekthi kwenye izinkulungwane ezingama-200, bangeza ezinye eziyishumi emholweni. Senze iphutha - sidinga ukunxephezela iklayenti.

- (SAT) Uma uqala ukwehlisa abafana, ungazizwa ngokushesha. Uzincisha ithuba lokuzuza imali eyengeziwe. Futhi uhlelo lwethu luyixazulula ngokuphelele inkinga yokulawula. Umuntu uzenzela uhlelo nsuku zonke, futhi kunemihlangano eyanele yansuku zonke ukuze aqonde ukuthi ubani owenzani.

- (DS) Ezimweni zokulwa, abaqambi amanga kubalingani babo emiseleni.

— Kuvele ukuthi amaholo akho avuliwe? Ingabe wonke umuntu uyazi ukuthi ubani uthola malini?

- (DS) Savala amaholo esikhathini esidlule. Kukhona umehluko wesifunda. Naphezu kweqiniso lokuthi silwela ukukhokha amaholo eMoscow ngokugcwele ezifundeni, kusekhona ezinye dissonance.

- (SAT) Manje wonke umuntu uyazi ukuthi ingakanani imali iqembu. Babona ukuthi iyiphi ingxenye yamabhonasi abayitholayo.

- (DS) Umholi weqembu weqembu ngalinye unquma ukuthi abafana bakhe bazothola malini nendlela yokusabalalisa amabhonasi. Sicubungula le nkinga ngezeluleko kuphela; isinqumo sihlala sisele kumholi weqembu.

Kungani abantu besaba izikhala?

Sibungaza iminyaka eyi-10 yenkampani ngo-2018

— Ingabe abantu abangu-70 bakwanele kuwe?

- (DS) Cha. Sinohlelo lokuqasha okungenani onjiniyela be-DevOps abangama-20 ngonyaka. Kodwa kunzima kakhulu. Sinenqwaba yabantu abazongenela ukhetho, wonke umuntu uyazi ngathi ngandlela thile. Kodwa lapha indaba ifana namaklayenti. Abantu abaningi bathi, "Siyesaba ukukusebenzela, uma singakwazi ukukuthwala." Kodwa asicabangi ukuthi sinezinto ze-super cosmic lapha.

Ukuxhumana nomuntu omele ukhetho

- Kufanele ube njani ukuze udonse?

- (DS) Ngokwethiyori, umuntu kufanele athuthukiswe ngokulinganayo ekuthuthukisweni nasekusebenzeni. Empeleni, bambalwa abantu abanjalo emhlabeni, ingasaphathwa eRussia. Ikakhulukazi labo abadala lapha nalaphaya. Bengingeke ngizicabange ngingomunye wabo.

Izikhala zethu zihlala zichaza ngokucacile lokho okudingeka ukwazi. Sisebenza kanzima kuzo futhi sizame ukubhala siqonde iphuzu.

— Mhlawumbe izikhala zemisebenzi ziyethusa ngempela uma kubhalwe ukuthi kungakanani okudingeka ukwazi?

- (DS) Cha, cha, cha, asicabangi ukuthi udinga ukwazi izinto eziningi.

- (SAT) Asinasithakazelo olwazini, kodwa ekucabangeni, ikhono lomuntu lokuthola izixazululo.

- (DS) Ngithanda ulwazi lwe-Linux, futhi siyayihlola ngemisebenzi elula kakhulu - eminingi yayo. Ukuhlolwa kwethu kude impela; kukhandidethi elimaphakathi kuthatha amahora angu-8. Futhi ngokusekelwe emiphumeleni, sibheka ukuthi umuntu ubhekana kanjani nezinkinga, ukuthi usebenza kanjani ku-Google, ukuthi yini ama-horizons akhe.

Ungathola ulwazi ngokushesha okukhulu nathi, ngoba kunamaphrojekthi amaningi ahlukene kanye nozakwethu abanolwazi abayohlale benikeza izeluleko. Ngakho-ke, sibheka kuqala ukuqinisekisa ukuthi abafana bacabanga ngokushesha futhi babe nolwazi.

— Ngaphandle kokuhlolwa, ingabe uyakubona ngandlela-thile lokhu?

- (DS) Sinezigaba ezintathu. Okokuqala, u-HR uyaxhumana futhi acele ukusho ngalokho okwenzekayo. Bese kuthi labo abathandwa yi-HR bathathe umsebenzi wokuhlola. Ngokusekelwe emiphumeleni, ithimba lihola ukuxhumana futhi litshele u-HR imibono yabo, futhi uma imihle ngazwi linye, lesi yisizathu sokwenza isipho kumuntu.

Ama-ruble ayizinkulungwane ezingama-500 ukuqasha i-superman yesikhathi esizayo

- (DS) Sinesimo sengqondo esingefani neze nezezimali; sabelana namaqembu futhi asihaha. Futhi sinikezela ngama-ruble ayizinkulungwane ezingama-500 eqenjini ukuze sandise abasebenzi. Okusho ukuthi lesi yisibonelelo ukuze bathole umuntu bamfundise konke ngesikhathi engenela.

- Izinkulungwane ezingama-500 ngomuntu ngamunye?!

Ukuze iqembu lizuze imali eningi, kudingeka lithathe amaphrojekthi amaningi. Ukuze benze lokhu badinga abantu abengeziwe. Futhi ukuthatha abantu abaningi, udinga imali eyengeziwe. Kuyindilinga enonya. Ukuze siphule lo mbuthano, sinikeza umuntu omusha imali. Ngesikhathi etheleka, bangakwazi ukucosha amaphrojekthi amaningi futhi bamkhokhele kuleyo mali. Okusho ukuthi, lesi isinxephezelo kuze kufike ofikayo alethe imali.

- Ingabe lokhu akukuningi kakhulu kuma-devops? Zilayishwa nsuku zonke, nsuku zonke ezimeni zokulwa, futhi kufanele zibhekane nokuphathwa kwezimali.

- (DS) Lokhu kwenziwa umholi weqembu, futhi akaseyena umuntu ozinikele ngokuphelele. Abaholi beqembu banamathuba amaningi okuthi baye ekubambisaneni ukuze kube nezinketho. Ngakho-ke, sicabanga ukuthi lokhu kuyinto evamile kubo. Kodwa lokhu akubathinti abafana abajwayelekile eqenjini.

Uma sikhuluma nje, bayazi ukuthi uma uzakwabo ehluleka, umholo wakhe uyawuthola ngenyanga ezayo. Yebo kuzofanele basebenze kanzima. Futhi lapho bethola ozovala isikhala, bambuyisele leyo mali.

Futhi uma sinikeza ithimba elihola izinkulungwane ezingu-500, alifuni ukuqasha umuntu ongeke alethe. Futhi ngezinye izikhathi kulula kubo ukuhlukanisa abantu abangu-20 futhi bathathe oyedwa. Kwenzeka ukuthi abantu abayi-100 baxhumane no-HR, abangu-30 kubo baya emsebenzini wobuchwepheshe, abangu-20 baphumelela, futhi ithimba eliholayo laqeda bonke ngaphandle koyedwa. Lokhu kunzima. Abaholi beqembu besaba kakhulu ukuthatha izingozi. Saxoxa ngesihloko, futhi wonke umuntu wabonakala eqonda ukuthi lokhu kwakuyiphutha. Abantu abaningi bazethula kwinhlolokhono ngendlela ehlukile kunaleyo abazosebenza ngayo kamuva. Ngakho-ke, kufanele sinikeze ithuba futhi sizibeke engcupheni.

- Ingabe abaholi beqembu abaqali ukuhlukumeza izinto? Uthola izinkulungwane ezingama-500, ungaqashi isikhathi eside kakhulu, bese uthola enye izinkulungwane ezingama-500.

- (DS) Bahola kanye. Sithi, “Manje usunabantu abayishumi, kodwa udinga abangu-11. Kukhona uhlelo lokuthengisa, amaphrojekthi amaningi azofika futhi udinga ukuthi ulungele. Nazi izinkulungwane ezingama-500 esikhundleni seshumi nanye. " Ngeke uwathole okwesibili. Futhi uma othile ehamba, lokhu sekuvele kuyinkinga eqenjini; baxazulula inkinga ngaphakathi kwesabelomali sabo.

Kufana nomdlalo we-Monopoly.

- (SAT) Sikholelwa ukuthi umholi weqembu kufanele agxile kwezezimali. Abantu bakithi bathola imiholo yabo emalini abayiholayo. Futhi izindleko zephrojekthi zibaluleke kakhulu. Iklayenti liza nengqalasizinda eyodwa, futhi ngemva konyaka ingqalasizinda yalo iba nkulu ngokuphindwe ka-10. Futhi uma umholi weqembu engabandakanyeki kwezezimali, ngeke akwazi ukuhlola ngokwanele izindleko zesevisi.

- (DS) Kwenzeka ukuthi iqembu liye lalwa nezinkinga zeklayenti izinyanga ezimbalwa, futhi liyaqaphela ukuthi likhokhelwa izinkulungwane eziyikhulu zalokhu, futhi lokhu akuhambisani neze nalokho okwenzekayo manje. Futhi kungakhathaliseki ukuthi kubuhlungu kangakanani, kufanele bakhuphule inani noma bahlukane. Futhi abafana bazithathela lezi zinqumo. Naphezu kokuthi bonke bakude. Futhi sicabanga ukuthi lena impumelelo yethu enkulu kakhulu. Sinamaqembu azimele, agqugquzelekile.

- Yebo. Futhi lokhu kwenza kuzwakale sengathi kufanele ube yi-superman ukuze ikusebenzele. Namakhono ezobuchwepheshe, nokuzithiba, nolwazi lwezezimali.

- (SAT) Nathi ungaba superman. Kepha nalabo baholi beqembu abakwaziyo ukwenza lokhu bafika njengonjiniyela abajwayelekile. Unyaka owodwa noma emibili wanele ukuba umuntu aphenduke iqhawe elinjalo.

- Abalingani beqembu bakhule besuka konjiniyela abajwayelekile. Ingabe bangaqashwa ngokushesha ngenxa yesikhundla esinjalo?

- (DS) Asikaze sibe nento enjengale ngaphambili; wonke umuntu wakhula njengonjiniyela. Kodwa sicubungula indaba yokuhlangana nenkampani encane, ezoba ngelinye lamaqembu ethu. Singathanda ukuzama lokhu.

— Ungakwazi yini ukuqasha umuntu uma engunjiniyela omuhle, kodwa engahlelekile ngokwanele ezingeni lamaqembu anjalo?

- (DS) Asibesabi abantu abangahlelekile; sinemisebenzi eminingi. Kusheshe kubonakale ukuthi kungenzeka yini ukusiza umuntu ukuthi ahleleke. Uma ekhuluma nsuku zonke ngalokho akwenza engenzanga lutho, uyoba namahloni.

Uma ubona wonke umuntu ehlezi esikebheni esisodwa egwedla, awuzizwa ukhululekile ukuphonsa phansi isigwedlo. Ezimweni ezinjalo, ngisho nabantu abangahlelekile empilweni bayahlelwa. Hhayi-ke, uma kungenjalo, cha.

Asikubekezeleli ngempela ukubheka phezulu - kubantu, ebhizinisini nakithi ngokwethu. Futhi uma abantu befika lapha, bakhula ngokushesha okukhulu, ngokushesha okuphindwe kathathu kunanoma iyiphi enye indawo. Ngempela sineminyaka emithathu ngokwesipiliyoni namakhono.

Asiwathandi ngempela ama-superficial middles. Ngokombono wethu, ophakathi ngumuntu osekwazi ukwenza okuningi. Ngizokutshela njengoba injalo - imakethe ye-DevOps imbi kakhulu, igcotshwe kabi. Kukhona abaphakathi abazithatha njengabancane. Kukhona abancane abazibona bengamakhosi. Lapho umuntu eza kithi, usheshe aliqonde izinga lakhe langempela.

Lokhu akusho ukuthi asithathi abancane - sibathatha ngenjabulo, futhi sizothatha nangaphezulu. Sesivele sakha ithimba elikhethekile le-“DevOps accelerator” futhi sabela lapho amaphrojekthi lapho singabeka khona ubungozi, lapho iklayenti lilungele ukuthi sizibeke engcupheni. Cishe kuzoba nenkonzo ekhethekile yalokhu. Uhlobo oluthile lwe-Flat-Lite.

- Ungathanda ukuba yinkampani enkulu?

- (DS) Singathanda, kodwa nge-caveat eyodwa. Angifuni ngempela ukulahlekelwa isiko lami. Sizokhula nakanjani, kodwa ukugcina isiko lobuchwepheshe nokusebenza kubaluleke kakhulu kunentuthuko ngokwayo.

Sinempilo eyodwa, ngeke uzuze yonke imali noma kunjalo, kodwa ufuna ukuyiphila eduze kwabantu abalungile. Sikwenqaba ngokuphelele ukuphatha kanye nokulingisa umsebenzi owusizo. Sinokuxhumana okuvundlile ngokuphelele. Ungadlulisela umbono wakho kubaphathi ngendlela emangalisa kakhulu: ingqikithi ibaluleke kakhulu kunemithetho.

- (SAT) Kodwa kulokhu udinga ukuba nezimpikiswano ezinhle kakhulu.

- (DS) Ngokungangabazeki! Futhi umsebenzi okude nawo uyadingeka, ngoba yile ndlela esiphila ngayo, yile ndlela esibona ngayo umhlaba. UDima Shurupov uhlala eThailand, mina ngihlala eJalimane. Sasha Batalov eMoscow, umqondisi HR e Tyumen.

Sikholelwa ukuthi ngokuphila kulo mhlaba, ufuna ukuphila impilo yakho ukuwubuka. Asikho isidingo sokuhlala ngaphansi kwezimo lapho kungemnandi ukuya emsebenzini. Yingakho sifuna abantu bafune ukuza emsebenzini wethu. Ukungqubuzana emsebenzini akujabulisi neze, ngakho siyaqinisekisa ukuthi azikho izingxabano emsebenzini. Sinezingxabano nezimpi, kodwa hhayi izingxabano.

- Awucabangi ukuthi ukuba mkhulu kusho ukuhlinzeka ngezinkonzo kuphela, kodwa futhi nokukhiqiza. Ukuthi akumele nje uphile impilo yakho futhi ubone iplanethi, kodwa futhi ushiye okuthile ngemuva?

- (DS) Lesi yisihloko esibuhlungu kakhulu kithi, ngoba siyinkampani yesevisi. Kodwa senza isofthiwe eningi, futhi empeleni umkhiqizo wethu izinkonzo ezisebenza ngendlela ehluke ngokuphelele. Asikaze sidayisele muntu amawashi noma abantu. Amakhasimende ayefika njalo abuze, “ngingakwazi ukuthenga amawashi ayikhulu?” Cha, awukwazi, asiwathengisi amawashi.

Sidayisa imiphumela. Umphumela uba ukuthi sadambisa izinhlungu futhi saxazulula inkinga. Futhi sinquma hhayi njengoba satshelwa, kodwa njengoba thina ngokwethu sazi. Umkhiqizo wethu isipiliyoni sethu. Futhi sizokwenza nakanjani izixazululo ezenziwe ngomumo, imikhiqizo ye-SaaS, kunemibono eminingi. Kodwa akukho ukushesha. Kunamashumi eminyaka amaningi ngaphambili.

Source: www.habr.com